Brayton Post Race Interview about Friese

10/24/2022 9:54am
scott_nz wrote:
did they say who the rider that got offerred the money was?
Shred wrote:
Yea…it’s in the podcast but I can’t remember.
Grant Harlan was the rider that Freezee had his mechanic offer $2k to take JB out.
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10/24/2022 10:09am
To be fair....calling this a 'world championship' is pretty weak!
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Shred wrote:
I don’t think it was a joke and I think Vince’s mechanic may have been involved. Watch the replay and the interaction between Vince’s mechanic and...
I don’t think it was a joke and I think Vince’s mechanic may have been involved. Watch the replay and the interaction between Vince’s mechanic and Grant before the start. A LOT of conversation that didn’t look real humorous with another rider?? Right before gate drop?? Uh…there is never conversation with a different rider on a different team at that point. You are focusing on your rider. Grant even looks like he sort of awkwardly chuckled and then looks like he is clarifying what he actually heard. I don’t read lips but damn…it sure looks incriminating.
Got a link? My YouTube is flooded with crap from WSX and I don't wanna search through it all to find this clip.

I've done my fair share of defending Vince in the past but if this is true (seems to be) then the dude is a complete loser and should be banned from professional racing.
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10/24/2022 10:16am
LungButter wrote:
Got a link? My YouTube is flooded with crap from WSX and I don't wanna search through it all to find this clip. I've done my...
Got a link? My YouTube is flooded with crap from WSX and I don't wanna search through it all to find this clip.

I've done my fair share of defending Vince in the past but if this is true (seems to be) then the dude is a complete loser and should be banned from professional racing.
You got me thinking. Let's say FIM does take a heavy look into this and indeed decides to ban Vince which I can't recall ever happening before. WSX being a different series/promotor, how would that look back stateside with AMA/Feld?

I know we love drama here, but what a mess Blink
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10/24/2022 10:36am Edited Date/Time 10/24/2022 10:40am
Shred wrote:
I don’t think it was a joke and I think Vince’s mechanic may have been involved. Watch the replay and the interaction between Vince’s mechanic and...
I don’t think it was a joke and I think Vince’s mechanic may have been involved. Watch the replay and the interaction between Vince’s mechanic and Grant before the start. A LOT of conversation that didn’t look real humorous with another rider?? Right before gate drop?? Uh…there is never conversation with a different rider on a different team at that point. You are focusing on your rider. Grant even looks like he sort of awkwardly chuckled and then looks like he is clarifying what he actually heard. I don’t read lips but damn…it sure looks incriminating.
LungButter wrote:
Got a link? My YouTube is flooded with crap from WSX and I don't wanna search through it all to find this clip. I've done my...
Got a link? My YouTube is flooded with crap from WSX and I don't wanna search through it all to find this clip.

I've done my fair share of defending Vince in the past but if this is true (seems to be) then the dude is a complete loser and should be banned from professional racing.
https://youtu.be/NwO9FRYwOyk

Go to the end of KR interview before the third race.

32:35 mark
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10/24/2022 10:48am
bvm111 wrote:
Alleged bounty
jbrown15 wrote:
Alleged because you didn't hear it directly for yourself? Or at this point are you calling JB the liar?
No, clearly, I did not call Brayton a liar in my two word post. It is alleged because of the meaning of the word alleged… nothing more.

what does “alleged” mean?

Alleged is an adjective that's used to describe things that have been claimed. It's most often used to describe an action or situation, especially a wrongdoing or crime, that someone claims happened but that has not been confirmed or proven.

Based on the above common definition, If Brayton didn’t hear it directly from Friese then it remains “alleged” … as in “on the line it was alleged (claimed) that Friese was offering a bounty of 2000 dollars on me.”
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10/24/2022 10:50am
it will be interesting if the FIM officials or WSX do anything about this, or if anyone puts in an offical complaint,

trying to rig the results of a race is not typically viewed in a good way,
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10/24/2022 10:50am
I'm interested if the FIM steps in at all. Sanctioning the event, shouldn't they be in charge of the rulebook and dealing with infractions?

Imagine paying over $1m to have the FIM sanction 2 races and they don't try to enforce their own rules.
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I completely believe that Friese would offer people money to take guys out in this situation, but even if we all believe it, it’s just one persons word vs another really and hard to prove. However, if I was MotoConcepts I would fire him anyway regardless if he did or not. The main thing is that the team went into the last race of the championship 1 & 2 in points with a great chance of winning a world title and he took them both down 100m into the race and completely threw their chances away, if that isn’t enough to fire him then I don’t know what is
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RG1 wrote:
I completely believe that Friese would offer people money to take guys out in this situation, but even if we all believe it, it’s just one...
I completely believe that Friese would offer people money to take guys out in this situation, but even if we all believe it, it’s just one persons word vs another really and hard to prove. However, if I was MotoConcepts I would fire him anyway regardless if he did or not. The main thing is that the team went into the last race of the championship 1 & 2 in points with a great chance of winning a world title and he took them both down 100m into the race and completely threw their chances away, if that isn’t enough to fire him then I don’t know what is
Tony Alessi having a functioning morale compass is a stretch. I guess Genova could put his foot down, I've not seen or heard much about Genova but I respect him keeping butts on seats and running a reliable team. Freise is a solid rider besides this kind of crap, so I understand it's tough.

It's a shame we have these guys like Freise and Barcia, they have the fire in them to push and the skill to do well and are a little loose and pretty full throttle which makes them good fun to watch, they could be great.

Then they clean someone out because they can't hang with them or they choose the plain dirty angle instead of just passing someone and make these overly aggressive passes / pass attempts, that are way past a good solid aggressive pass or block pass or just taking a line away like most of us are totally happy to see.

As for Freise chucking beer at Brayton and talking about paying folks to take him down, bitch moves on both counts. If those reports are accurate.
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I'm usually good with riders like Barcia and Friese, they make the sport exciting. It's racing.... Money is on the line.

That said....if Friese actually offered $$$ to take people out, he needs to be banned from racing.




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10/24/2022 12:35pm
A Zebra cannot change it's stripes.

I have given him the benefit of the doubt in the past. He is fast and gets good starts, imagine the ride he could get without all the drama.
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10/24/2022 2:11pm Edited Date/Time 10/24/2022 2:14pm
Seems like a head game Vince pulled at the gate. Why would he say something right next to Justin? He would offer a "bribe" the in the shitter before the race don't ya think? But I suppose it's good off season fodder for the Chatty Cathy vital brigade.
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10/24/2022 2:14pm
Magoofan wrote:
I'm usually good with riders like Barcia and Friese, they make the sport exciting. It's racing.... Money is on the line. That said....if Friese actually offered...
I'm usually good with riders like Barcia and Friese, they make the sport exciting. It's racing.... Money is on the line.

That said....if Friese actually offered $$$ to take people out, he needs to be banned from racing.




Ok, so let’s say the FIM bans him…. Is it then up to the AMA to step in, follow suit and ban him for something that didn’t happen in their series.. that would get rather sticky, no?

Personally I don’t think a rider like Friese, who would offer another rider money to take someone out, has a place in dirt bike racing at all.
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10/24/2022 2:56pm Edited Date/Time 10/24/2022 3:10pm
RG1 wrote:
I completely believe that Friese would offer people money to take guys out in this situation, but even if we all believe it, it’s just one...
I completely believe that Friese would offer people money to take guys out in this situation, but even if we all believe it, it’s just one persons word vs another really and hard to prove. However, if I was MotoConcepts I would fire him anyway regardless if he did or not. The main thing is that the team went into the last race of the championship 1 & 2 in points with a great chance of winning a world title and he took them both down 100m into the race and completely threw their chances away, if that isn’t enough to fire him then I don’t know what is
Not true, Vinces mechanic was the one who relayed the message not vince. That means 3 people heard it vince, his mechanic, and harlan. It hasnt been stated if Harlans mechanic overheard it too, but there could even possibly be 4. So 3 people definitely heard it maybe 4 plus the interaction was caught on tv. If the FIM gets Harlan and his mechanic to come clean plus the video thats pleeenty of evidence.

Vince should 100% be banned for this. Offering money to take out other riders is a line that can not be allowed to be crossed. Plus on top of that his record is of him not caring whatsoever about other riders safety around him on the track. He needs to be made an example of that you cant cross that line sx is already the most dangerous sport, this is ridiculous.
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MKMX wrote:
Ok, so let’s say the FIM bans him…. Is it then up to the AMA to step in, follow suit and ban him for something that...
Ok, so let’s say the FIM bans him…. Is it then up to the AMA to step in, follow suit and ban him for something that didn’t happen in their series.. that would get rather sticky, no?

Personally I don’t think a rider like Friese, who would offer another rider money to take someone out, has a place in dirt bike racing at all.
I'd say leave it up to the AMA whether or not to follow suit. It were me, I'd make an example of him. Zero tolerance.

Look at it this way. Guy gets fired for groping on women at the office (sexual harrassment). Should the guy be able to switch companies and pull the same crap elsewhere.





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RG1 wrote:
I completely believe that Friese would offer people money to take guys out in this situation, but even if we all believe it, it’s just one...
I completely believe that Friese would offer people money to take guys out in this situation, but even if we all believe it, it’s just one persons word vs another really and hard to prove. However, if I was MotoConcepts I would fire him anyway regardless if he did or not. The main thing is that the team went into the last race of the championship 1 & 2 in points with a great chance of winning a world title and he took them both down 100m into the race and completely threw their chances away, if that isn’t enough to fire him then I don’t know what is
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10/24/2022 4:26pm
Either vince dad pays for him to be on the team or motoconcepts likes the publicity
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10/24/2022 5:03pm
100% just telling him good luck.
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10/24/2022 5:29pm Edited Date/Time 10/24/2022 5:30pm
cable wrote:
Either vince dad pays for him to be on the team or motoconcepts likes the publicity
Yes.

Or at least…probably.
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Guetterman wrote:
100% just telling him good luck. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/10/24/574346/s1200_A7B5F716_5C43_4CF3_BD35_75739763E21B.jpg[/img]
100% just telling him good luck.
I think you are joking?? If not…it was a conversation…not 2 words.
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10/24/2022 6:14pm
LungButter wrote:
Got a link? My YouTube is flooded with crap from WSX and I don't wanna search through it all to find this clip. I've done my...
Got a link? My YouTube is flooded with crap from WSX and I don't wanna search through it all to find this clip.

I've done my fair share of defending Vince in the past but if this is true (seems to be) then the dude is a complete loser and should be banned from professional racing.
You got me thinking. Let's say FIM does take a heavy look into this and indeed decides to ban Vince which I can't recall ever happening...
You got me thinking. Let's say FIM does take a heavy look into this and indeed decides to ban Vince which I can't recall ever happening before. WSX being a different series/promotor, how would that look back stateside with AMA/Feld?

I know we love drama here, but what a mess Blink
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10/24/2022 6:18pm
Do we think Harlan will ever admit to this?
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10/24/2022 6:28pm Edited Date/Time 10/24/2022 6:29pm
RG1 wrote:
I completely believe that Friese would offer people money to take guys out in this situation, but even if we all believe it, it’s just one...
I completely believe that Friese would offer people money to take guys out in this situation, but even if we all believe it, it’s just one persons word vs another really and hard to prove. However, if I was MotoConcepts I would fire him anyway regardless if he did or not. The main thing is that the team went into the last race of the championship 1 & 2 in points with a great chance of winning a world title and he took them both down 100m into the race and completely threw their chances away, if that isn’t enough to fire him then I don’t know what is
jbrown15 wrote:
Wow. Just wow…..

If Harlan corroborates that claim, Vince AND his mechanic should be banned from any organization that has any affiliation with the FIM for at least a couple of years.

That should be the absolute minimum, and I wouldn’t mind seeing it being much, much longer.
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10/24/2022 6:58pm
Pure scum, if true. 1-year ban minimum.
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10/24/2022 7:17pm
Friese, not cool. Again and again and again and….
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How can Honda allow their name to be associated with Motoconcepts after this?
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How can Honda allow their name to be associated with Motoconcepts after this?
Well I doubt MCR would be onboard with this.
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10/24/2022 7:58pm
The take out itself is no longer the issue.

Offering to pay another rider money to take out a rival competitor to affect the outcome of a FIM sanctioned World Championship event is beyond serious and should be considered a major scandal.

Most leagues/sanctioning bodies have rules against fixing or throwing a game and the penalties are usually permanent bans.

Friese, his mechanic and anyone else that was involved needs to be permanently banned from all AMA and FIM sanctioned events.
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