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9/3/2022 8:42pm
bigk218 wrote:
The fact that this track is even on the professional circuit blows my mind. Might be the worst track I’ve ever seen. I literally had to...
The fact that this track is even on the professional circuit blows my mind. Might be the worst track I’ve ever seen. I literally had to fast forward through the racing because I couldn’t take it.
You know I didn’t think the track was that bad today. A little one lined in some sections. This is going to be an unpopular opinion but I actually thought budds was the worst track of the season. Sort of low speed with tons of tight one lined corners that bunched everyone up
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9/3/2022 8:56pm
bigk218 wrote:
The fact that this track is even on the professional circuit blows my mind. Might be the worst track I’ve ever seen. I literally had to...
The fact that this track is even on the professional circuit blows my mind. Might be the worst track I’ve ever seen. I literally had to fast forward through the racing because I couldn’t take it.
You know I didn’t think the track was that bad today. A little one lined in some sections. This is going to be an unpopular opinion...
You know I didn’t think the track was that bad today. A little one lined in some sections. This is going to be an unpopular opinion but I actually thought budds was the worst track of the season. Sort of low speed with tons of tight one lined corners that bunched everyone up
All good. Just watching it on tv i felt like “ you got to be kidding me. This is the track that the closest championship battle we’ve ever seen is being decided at” on the other hand. I do like the variety of all different kinds of tracks and the champ needs to be the best all around guy.
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9/3/2022 9:13pm
bigk218 wrote:
The fact that this track is even on the professional circuit blows my mind. Might be the worst track I’ve ever seen. I literally had to...
The fact that this track is even on the professional circuit blows my mind. Might be the worst track I’ve ever seen. I literally had to fast forward through the racing because I couldn’t take it.
You know I didn’t think the track was that bad today. A little one lined in some sections. This is going to be an unpopular opinion...
You know I didn’t think the track was that bad today. A little one lined in some sections. This is going to be an unpopular opinion but I actually thought budds was the worst track of the season. Sort of low speed with tons of tight one lined corners that bunched everyone up
bigk218 wrote:
All good. Just watching it on tv i felt like “ you got to be kidding me. This is the track that the closest championship battle...
All good. Just watching it on tv i felt like “ you got to be kidding me. This is the track that the closest championship battle we’ve ever seen is being decided at” on the other hand. I do like the variety of all different kinds of tracks and the champ needs to be the best all around guy.
Yeah I don’t know that it would have really mattered. I think you could put those two on an oval track together for 30 minutes and the best man would have won
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9/3/2022 9:52pm Edited Date/Time 9/3/2022 9:54pm
I think get rid of one of the Pala rounds I’m ok with one but get us one more deep sand race we need get our riders over here better at riding deep sand again. What’s another good deep sand track that could hold a national just so it’s not two southwicks.
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mtl wrote:
Of those poo pooing Pala, who have ridden the track?
Yeti831 wrote:
Ridden or raced?

Great track, super fun but would not want to race it for 30+.
TeamGreen wrote:
Shiiit… I’ve even raced it/qualified for Mammoth on the Main Track…on my CRF450X :lol: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/09/03/566928/s1200_91782D3A_2E38_4415_B22B_51CB769EBA49.jpg[/img] This is the 1st 4 Stroke Honda I ever rode there…2018...
Shiiit…

I’ve even raced it/qualified for Mammoth on the Main Track…on my CRF450X Grinning
This is the 1st 4 Stroke Honda I ever rode there…2018…?

The palace is a Blast. Especially on a fresh YZ450F.

But, let’s not allow any of that to interfere with the Vital Bitchfest!
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Excuse me, where's the headlight on that 450x? Safety first!!!
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If you enjoy riding tomahawk then carry on. I don’t mean to let the air out of your balloon. I got so tired of having to...
If you enjoy riding tomahawk then carry on. I don’t mean to let the air out of your balloon. I got so tired of having to choose between doublin and tomahawk my choices were literally to move or blow my brains out. Ended up in Arizona
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If you’re gonna talk shit about moving somewhere for better moto, don’t say Arizona LOL

#credibilitylost
I was thinking the same thing. Arizona for great MX tracks? He's definitely gonna blow his brains out now.
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I still think Broome should be back on the schedule, even if just every other year. It's scenic, has insane elevation and is one of the best tracks for viewing. Plus it has some incredible Mx history that has taken place there.
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Pala is a gussied up shit hole practice track not a National caliber race track and they shove it down our throats twice a year! Come on its gotta be about the money for MXsports, they pulled this shit with the Utah national twice. I have ridden the old Carlsbad, Saddleback in the day and Glenn Helen too all real tracks Pala nope not for me.
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9/4/2022 8:06am
If everyone would direct the hate in the right direction something would be done about it. The fans are the only reason pro sports exist.
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9/4/2022 8:08am
VetRider97 wrote:
Track does look really crappy and single lined . Don't understand why MX Sports goes back to Pala at end of season when it's a hot...
Track does look really crappy and single lined .

Don't understand why MX Sports goes back to Pala at end of season when it's a hot and very dry location at end of August. It definitely takes away form the visual aspect of the sport which is important in my opinion and certainly doesn't do anything for the sport. After watching racing on 10 other excellent tracks it really makes Pala look bad.
Spring Creek should be the last race with the changing leaves colors like the late race in 20
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Spring Creek is awesome in September and October , especially when there is some color and leaves on the ground.
Easily the best track of the series it has a combination of everything to make it even for everyone. I prefer the green trees the trees r a brighter green than other parts of the country. Pala 1 had the best video of all the races I thought it was a great race for what they had to work with. The track looked fun to ride too. Pala 2 what happened the filming angles where tearable, looked like heavy smog in the air also. The back drop is brown and dead looking like all of the west coast states. I never complain about the filming or the races but that was pretty bad. The race looked boring to watch even tho the points where close. Didn’t seem like the track allowed close racing. Just a amount of time 25 min +2 like this is the last 1 let’s just get it over.
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9/4/2022 8:31am Edited Date/Time 9/4/2022 8:45am
It's a shame that two of the closest championships in the world were held on two of the shitiest tracks in their perspective series...
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9/4/2022 8:38am
The Pala track looked total shite!

What do they do to it? Rip & till it too deep?

It needs leaving harder. Maybe rip it, water it and then roll it back to hard pack.

Ironman last week was 1 million percent better!
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9/4/2022 9:14am
The Pala track looked total shite! What do they do to it? Rip & till it too deep? It needs leaving harder. Maybe rip it, water...
The Pala track looked total shite!

What do they do to it? Rip & till it too deep?

It needs leaving harder. Maybe rip it, water it and then roll it back to hard pack.

Ironman last week was 1 million percent better!
Roll it back to hard pack? So it’s dry and dusty within 30 minutes? And you’ll have a greasy shit track whenever you try to water it.

Terrible advice.
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9/4/2022 9:24am
From personal experience I can say Pala blows to race on.
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I'm watching the races now and normally I just enjoy the racing and don't really care about the track as long as the racing is good but.....

HOLY CRAP ...this track is muff cabbage!
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/09/04/566983/s1200_Broome_Tioga_2.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/09/04/566982/s1200_Broome_Tioga_aeriel.jpg[/img] I still think Broome should be back on the schedule, even if just every other year. It's scenic, has insane elevation and is one...



I still think Broome should be back on the schedule, even if just every other year. It's scenic, has insane elevation and is one of the best tracks for viewing. Plus it has some incredible Mx history that has taken place there.
I think why not bring back Broome and if you have to have a race twice on the same track, washougal?
9/4/2022 10:04am
The Pala track looked total shite! What do they do to it? Rip & till it too deep? It needs leaving harder. Maybe rip it, water...
The Pala track looked total shite!

What do they do to it? Rip & till it too deep?

It needs leaving harder. Maybe rip it, water it and then roll it back to hard pack.

Ironman last week was 1 million percent better!
yz133rider wrote:
Roll it back to hard pack? So it’s dry and dusty within 30 minutes? And you’ll have a greasy shit track whenever you try to water...
Roll it back to hard pack? So it’s dry and dusty within 30 minutes? And you’ll have a greasy shit track whenever you try to water it.

Terrible advice.
No, because it never rolls down to true 'hardback/blue groove'.

It still has that element of loam, without seeming like its riding through wet concrete.
It still ruts up, but not footpeg deep. The top crust could dry out if the track is left in the sun baking, but with the knobblies digging through it constantly its forever turning over to the wetter stuff underneath.

This fashion of tilling and watering so you've got 18" depth of wet mud is just crap.
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9/4/2022 10:25am
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/09/04/566983/s1200_Broome_Tioga_2.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/09/04/566982/s1200_Broome_Tioga_aeriel.jpg[/img] I still think Broome should be back on the schedule, even if just every other year. It's scenic, has insane elevation and is one...



I still think Broome should be back on the schedule, even if just every other year. It's scenic, has insane elevation and is one of the best tracks for viewing. Plus it has some incredible Mx history that has taken place there.
wolf18 wrote:
I think why not bring back Broome and if you have to have a race twice on the same track, washougal?
Is Broome still around ? I was talking a about this track the other week with a friend he traveled out to see the old Kenworthy track and took pictures it’s all grown back in now Mother Nature took over but you can still make out parts of the track the over under bridge , the dirty dozen section , the widowmaker jump . I wonder if broom still has its old layout or has Mother Nature has taken over also ?
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I don't know what some of you people expect.

It is the end of summer in a desert environment in the middle of a heat wave.

Any california track is going to look like shit compared to Millville, Red Bud, Washougal, or most of the other national tracks. Track prep is going to be the same in the late August time frame whether it be Pala, Glen Helen, Elsinore, or even if they brought back Carlsbad or Saddleback

If you think any track prep crew under these circumstances would not have had it as wet as pala's did yesterday, you are nuts. It is their only option to ever keep the track from being a windy dust bowl by the middle of the first moto,

Yeah, it was a bit one lined in qualifying. Hell they all are because of timed qualifying riders aren't out forming different lines anymore.

But that track formed into a gnarley rough, rutted, and multiline track that was worthy of a championship finale.

Sexton proved that it had limits if pushed too hard, and eli proved that technique and experience can still win.

So maybe let's stop the constant whining about pala.

There was some awesome racing yesterday.

oh, and you can shut off the yearly "bring back glen helen stupidity too.

You "oh, the good old days" when we could drag our cooler up Mt whatever are just delusional.

It is probably never going to happen, and as a non-Californian, the embellishment on the wonders of all things glen helen are just a bit too much. That place didn't look that much different than pala, it just had a few bigger hills and some really overdone jumps.

most of the rest of us east of New Mexico hope maybe someday the stars will align and there will be something new and so cal loses a race and then we can just listen to you whine about that. Hey, throw in a couple more supercrosses somewhere other than so cal too. that would just be so awesome.

Maybe if you had one outdoor MX, and one SX race at anahiem you guys would learn to appreciate what you have and stop with the constant whiny bitchfest.
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The Pala track looked total shite! What do they do to it? Rip & till it too deep? It needs leaving harder. Maybe rip it, water...
The Pala track looked total shite!

What do they do to it? Rip & till it too deep?

It needs leaving harder. Maybe rip it, water it and then roll it back to hard pack.

Ironman last week was 1 million percent better!
yz133rider wrote:
Roll it back to hard pack? So it’s dry and dusty within 30 minutes? And you’ll have a greasy shit track whenever you try to water...
Roll it back to hard pack? So it’s dry and dusty within 30 minutes? And you’ll have a greasy shit track whenever you try to water it.

Terrible advice.
No, because it never rolls down to true 'hardback/blue groove'. It still has that element of loam, without seeming like its riding through wet concrete. It...
No, because it never rolls down to true 'hardback/blue groove'.

It still has that element of loam, without seeming like its riding through wet concrete.
It still ruts up, but not footpeg deep. The top crust could dry out if the track is left in the sun baking, but with the knobblies digging through it constantly its forever turning over to the wetter stuff underneath.

This fashion of tilling and watering so you've got 18" depth of wet mud is just crap.
Is that how they do track prep in GBR?

don't think that would work in so cal
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I don't know what some of you people expect. It is the end of summer in a desert environment in the middle of a heat wave...
I don't know what some of you people expect.

It is the end of summer in a desert environment in the middle of a heat wave.

Any california track is going to look like shit compared to Millville, Red Bud, Washougal, or most of the other national tracks. Track prep is going to be the same in the late August time frame whether it be Pala, Glen Helen, Elsinore, or even if they brought back Carlsbad or Saddleback

If you think any track prep crew under these circumstances would not have had it as wet as pala's did yesterday, you are nuts. It is their only option to ever keep the track from being a windy dust bowl by the middle of the first moto,

Yeah, it was a bit one lined in qualifying. Hell they all are because of timed qualifying riders aren't out forming different lines anymore.

But that track formed into a gnarley rough, rutted, and multiline track that was worthy of a championship finale.

Sexton proved that it had limits if pushed too hard, and eli proved that technique and experience can still win.

So maybe let's stop the constant whining about pala.

There was some awesome racing yesterday.

oh, and you can shut off the yearly "bring back glen helen stupidity too.

You "oh, the good old days" when we could drag our cooler up Mt whatever are just delusional.

It is probably never going to happen, and as a non-Californian, the embellishment on the wonders of all things glen helen are just a bit too much. That place didn't look that much different than pala, it just had a few bigger hills and some really overdone jumps.

most of the rest of us east of New Mexico hope maybe someday the stars will align and there will be something new and so cal loses a race and then we can just listen to you whine about that. Hey, throw in a couple more supercrosses somewhere other than so cal too. that would just be so awesome.

Maybe if you had one outdoor MX, and one SX race at anahiem you guys would learn to appreciate what you have and stop with the constant whiny bitchfest.
"I don't know what some of you people expect."
"It is the end of summer in a desert environment in the middle of a heat wave."

It would expect that someone at MX Sports would know the same thing as you and not schedule the f@cking race there.
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9/4/2022 11:53am
RonSkj wrote:
"I don't know what some of you people expect." "It is the end of summer in a desert environment in the middle of a heat wave."...
"I don't know what some of you people expect."
"It is the end of summer in a desert environment in the middle of a heat wave."

It would expect that someone at MX Sports would know the same thing as you and not schedule the f@cking race there.
Well now you’re assuming the promoter cares about the needs and wishes of racers, spectators, sponsors, and so on.
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bigsal wrote:
Pala is a gussied up shit hole practice track not a National caliber race track and they shove it down our throats twice a year! Come...
Pala is a gussied up shit hole practice track not a National caliber race track and they shove it down our throats twice a year! Come on its gotta be about the money for MXsports, they pulled this shit with the Utah national twice. I have ridden the old Carlsbad, Saddleback in the day and Glenn Helen too all real tracks Pala nope not for me.
Carlsbad and Saddleback were both shit-hole tracks too. The baked, rock hard track by the time 3-4 motos had raced and was like racing on a bumpy, dusty sidewalk.
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I spoke with my wallet. Mx sports got noting from me. I was almost willing to put up with the shit show because I am a pretty die heart fan. But even when I offered to buy the tickets, No one in my circle of friends and family wanted to go. And we're talking about people that are the exact demographics that they are looking for.
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9/4/2022 12:06pm
RonSkj wrote:
I spoke with my wallet. Mx sports got noting from me. I was almost willing to put up with the shit show because I am a...
I spoke with my wallet. Mx sports got noting from me. I was almost willing to put up with the shit show because I am a pretty die heart fan. But even when I offered to buy the tickets, No one in my circle of friends and family wanted to go. And we're talking about people that are the exact demographics that they are looking for.
Yeah I also refuse to give even $1 to anything that goes to MXSports. I don’t pay for the MAVTV or similar, and I won’t pay for a ticket to attend any race in person. I also vehemently try to talk friends and family out of attending Loretta Lynn’s. The ones who go anyway find out what I’m talking about when they pay upwards of $1000 for two classes at an area qualifier
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Carlsbad and Saddleback were both shit-hole tracks too. The baked, rock hard track by the time 3-4 motos had raced and was like racing on a...
Carlsbad and Saddleback were both shit-hole tracks too. The baked, rock hard track by the time 3-4 motos had raced and was like racing on a bumpy, dusty sidewalk.
You sir are 100% wrong about that. They were destination racetracks even for locals every week and had a fellowship of like minded people in the pits, the track crew, weekly local racers getting world class fast on blue groove hardpack (that I love racing on), great series championships with good pro payout and the industry involved too. The Pala shithole for a national is a place you feel bad a bout just driving into compared to SoCal history and yes Glen Helen was right up the road. If you want to bag on Glen Helen and flame on its local shortcomings they are known by most, all of that goes away when the gate drops there. Lommel is in a flat no name industrial park in Belgium however it too becomes a magic place when the bikes hit the track, Pala no.
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RonSkj wrote:
I spoke with my wallet. Mx sports got noting from me. I was almost willing to put up with the shit show because I am a...
I spoke with my wallet. Mx sports got noting from me. I was almost willing to put up with the shit show because I am a pretty die heart fan. But even when I offered to buy the tickets, No one in my circle of friends and family wanted to go. And we're talking about people that are the exact demographics that they are looking for.
Yeah I also refuse to give even $1 to anything that goes to MXSports. I don’t pay for the MAVTV or similar, and I won’t pay...
Yeah I also refuse to give even $1 to anything that goes to MXSports. I don’t pay for the MAVTV or similar, and I won’t pay for a ticket to attend any race in person. I also vehemently try to talk friends and family out of attending Loretta Lynn’s. The ones who go anyway find out what I’m talking about when they pay upwards of $1000 for two classes at an area qualifier
If you hate everything so much why are you here?......again...
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So, you complainers do recognize that the AMA and NPG want to hold the race at a track that will actually get paying spectators?

Some of those amazing east coast tracks stopped holding nationals because no one came to see the races.

Pala may not be a Red Bud or Millville type of track, but it has two things critical to a successful race that other places don't have::

(1) the biggest dirt bike fan base of any area in the world (although the French were packed in standing room only at the last GP in St Jean, and had a much larger crowd than Pala - it was impressive)

(2) You have to have a track owner who is reasonable to work with.

You guys do realize this is a business, right?
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bigk218 wrote:
The fact that this track is even on the professional circuit blows my mind. Might be the worst track I’ve ever seen. I literally had to...
The fact that this track is even on the professional circuit blows my mind. Might be the worst track I’ve ever seen. I literally had to fast forward through the racing because I couldn’t take it.
Sounds like you might have more issues my dude. If Pala was the worst track you've ever seen and it caused you anguish to where you couldn't watch the race, you need to get out more and maybe pet a puppy or something.
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