New 2023 KTM450SXF

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Landonious217 8/20/2022 6:10pm
8/20/2022 6:10pm
Why is there a spring sticking out of the front number plate?
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Tim507 8/20/2022 6:30pm
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Hmmm How much handle bar sag do we need?
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Sirskeetsalot 8/20/2022 6:37pm
8/20/2022 6:37pm
Whoa, look at how the front forks connect. That looks weird, is that supposed to be some kind of secondary damping?
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Xeno 8/20/2022 6:47pm
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The rake changes as the forks compress.
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JWACK 8/20/2022 7:16pm
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You said you wanted spring forks.
I gave you spring forks.

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Boggins 8/20/2022 10:28pm
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Very strange!
Now if KTM could get the electrical issues fixed on the FE model ($14k), or offer support to fix, that would be nice.
Not buying KTM's any more.
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Boggins wrote:
Very strange! Now if KTM could get the electrical issues fixed on the FE model ($14k), or offer support to fix, that would be nice. Not...
Very strange!
Now if KTM could get the electrical issues fixed on the FE model ($14k), or offer support to fix, that would be nice.
Not buying KTM's any more.
What is wrong with yours?
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Tiki 8/20/2022 10:59pm
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Kinda cool. If air suspension was needed anywhere, there would be the ideal place.
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mx4all 8/23/2022 1:28am
8/23/2022 1:28am
They have fucked up the chassi so bad so they need a ugly stearingdamper trough the front numberplate for the bike not to headshake going into every turn..

Got the 350 -23 with conevalve and trax and it is the worst bike I ever own. Headshake into every fast turn and beats the shit out of me on ruff tracks. Going to rebuild them again tomorrow and hope it Will be better but I doubt it.

Have 15h on it and the only thing weve done is testing suspension and tryin to get comfy but it seems impossible. Might go blue instead
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183Matt 8/23/2022 8:07am
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mx4all wrote:
They have fucked up the chassi so bad so they need a ugly stearingdamper trough the front numberplate for the bike not to headshake going into...
They have fucked up the chassi so bad so they need a ugly stearingdamper trough the front numberplate for the bike not to headshake going into every turn..

Got the 350 -23 with conevalve and trax and it is the worst bike I ever own. Headshake into every fast turn and beats the shit out of me on ruff tracks. Going to rebuild them again tomorrow and hope it Will be better but I doubt it.

Have 15h on it and the only thing weve done is testing suspension and tryin to get comfy but it seems impossible. Might go blue instead
My buddy had to go stiffer on the rear spring and drop the forks in the clamps to 2mm (first line) and the bike is way better now for him.
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Boggins wrote:
Very strange! Now if KTM could get the electrical issues fixed on the FE model ($14k), or offer support to fix, that would be nice. Not...
Very strange!
Now if KTM could get the electrical issues fixed on the FE model ($14k), or offer support to fix, that would be nice.
Not buying KTM's any more.
I am about to buy a new 2023, what issue are you speaking of?!! Please share. Thanks
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mx4all wrote:
They have fucked up the chassi so bad so they need a ugly stearingdamper trough the front numberplate for the bike not to headshake going into...
They have fucked up the chassi so bad so they need a ugly stearingdamper trough the front numberplate for the bike not to headshake going into every turn..

Got the 350 -23 with conevalve and trax and it is the worst bike I ever own. Headshake into every fast turn and beats the shit out of me on ruff tracks. Going to rebuild them again tomorrow and hope it Will be better but I doubt it.

Have 15h on it and the only thing weve done is testing suspension and tryin to get comfy but it seems impossible. Might go blue instead
183Matt wrote:
My buddy had to go stiffer on the rear spring and drop the forks in the clamps to 2mm (first line) and the bike is way...
My buddy had to go stiffer on the rear spring and drop the forks in the clamps to 2mm (first line) and the bike is way better now for him.
Not a 450. Mostly just feedback to (mx4all) saying the 23 chassis is jacked.

My 23 350 works great! I'm 183 pounds no gear.

Stock rear spring, 105 sag, 35mm free sag. Front running 142 psi. Started out with the MXA settings. Rear ended up going 2 clicks softer compression, rebound out 2 clicks faster.

Very happy with the overall handling, coupled with a great motor. I like this 23 better than my modded 20 FC350.

Anyway... that's just me, your mileage may very...

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suspensionsmith wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/20/564818/s1200_DSCF3897.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/20/564819/s1200_DSCF3898.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/20/564820/s1200_DSCF3899.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/20/564821/s1200_DSCF3894.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/20/564822/s1200_DSCF3895.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/20/564823/s1200_DSCF3900.jpg[/img]






Love this concept. You’re selling these kits now, right? I don’t remember exactly what the advantages of this are… something about keeping better geometry diving into corners, and less fork stiction on bumps?
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T-Fish 8/23/2022 8:52am
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This guy again?
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Austin_Rankin 8/23/2022 11:10am
8/23/2022 11:10am
this is about the ugliest shit i have ever seen
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suspensionsmith 8/23/2022 3:00pm
8/23/2022 3:00pm
suspensionsmith wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/20/564818/s1200_DSCF3897.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/20/564819/s1200_DSCF3898.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/20/564820/s1200_DSCF3899.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/20/564821/s1200_DSCF3894.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/20/564822/s1200_DSCF3895.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/20/564823/s1200_DSCF3900.jpg[/img]






Broseph wrote:
Love this concept. You’re selling these kits now, right? I don’t remember exactly what the advantages of this are… something about keeping better geometry diving into...
Love this concept. You’re selling these kits now, right? I don’t remember exactly what the advantages of this are… something about keeping better geometry diving into corners, and less fork stiction on bumps?
Developing bolt on kits for Enduro/Trail and now looking to see how it will suit MX with the bike pictured...a work in progress.....


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GrapeApe 8/23/2022 3:42pm
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suspensionsmith wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/20/564818/s1200_DSCF3897.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/20/564819/s1200_DSCF3898.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/20/564820/s1200_DSCF3899.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/20/564821/s1200_DSCF3894.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/20/564822/s1200_DSCF3895.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/20/564823/s1200_DSCF3900.jpg[/img]






Broseph wrote:
Love this concept. You’re selling these kits now, right? I don’t remember exactly what the advantages of this are… something about keeping better geometry diving into...
Love this concept. You’re selling these kits now, right? I don’t remember exactly what the advantages of this are… something about keeping better geometry diving into corners, and less fork stiction on bumps?
suspensionsmith wrote:
Developing bolt on kits for Enduro/Trail and now looking to see how it will suit MX with the bike pictured...a work in progress..... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/23/565240/s1200_DSCF3873.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/23/565241/s1200_DSCF3876.jpg[/img]
Developing bolt on kits for Enduro/Trail and now looking to see how it will suit MX with the bike pictured...a work in progress.....


Is there any chance we can get you to explain what we're looking at? What does it do, what are the possible benefits?
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Steve125 8/23/2022 3:44pm
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Maybe put the radiators up there too? I hear that works good.
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Broseph 8/23/2022 3:51pm
8/23/2022 3:51pm Edited Date/Time 8/23/2022 4:14pm
Broseph wrote:
Love this concept. You’re selling these kits now, right? I don’t remember exactly what the advantages of this are… something about keeping better geometry diving into...
Love this concept. You’re selling these kits now, right? I don’t remember exactly what the advantages of this are… something about keeping better geometry diving into corners, and less fork stiction on bumps?
suspensionsmith wrote:
Developing bolt on kits for Enduro/Trail and now looking to see how it will suit MX with the bike pictured...a work in progress..... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/23/565240/s1200_DSCF3873.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/23/565241/s1200_DSCF3876.jpg[/img]
Developing bolt on kits for Enduro/Trail and now looking to see how it will suit MX with the bike pictured...a work in progress.....


GrapeApe wrote:
Is there any chance we can get you to explain what we're looking at? What does it do, what are the possible benefits?
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Dual-front-suspension-te…

https://m.facebook.com/Suspensionsmith/videos/yesterday-me-and-greg-pet…

https://m.facebook.com/Suspensionsmith/videos/girdertelefork-hybrid-dua…
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Gravel 8/23/2022 4:30pm
8/23/2022 4:30pm Edited Date/Time 8/23/2022 5:12pm
It looks like the old Girvin mountain bike fork got way too drunk with a Cone valve fork..

Very nicely built tho
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Trying to fix a problem that isn't there.......
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183Matt 8/23/2022 5:53pm
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mx4all wrote:
They have fucked up the chassi so bad so they need a ugly stearingdamper trough the front numberplate for the bike not to headshake going into...
They have fucked up the chassi so bad so they need a ugly stearingdamper trough the front numberplate for the bike not to headshake going into every turn..

Got the 350 -23 with conevalve and trax and it is the worst bike I ever own. Headshake into every fast turn and beats the shit out of me on ruff tracks. Going to rebuild them again tomorrow and hope it Will be better but I doubt it.

Have 15h on it and the only thing weve done is testing suspension and tryin to get comfy but it seems impossible. Might go blue instead
183Matt wrote:
My buddy had to go stiffer on the rear spring and drop the forks in the clamps to 2mm (first line) and the bike is way...
My buddy had to go stiffer on the rear spring and drop the forks in the clamps to 2mm (first line) and the bike is way better now for him.
NeedMoto wrote:
Not a 450. Mostly just feedback to (mx4all) saying the 23 chassis is jacked. My 23 350 works great! I'm 183 pounds no gear. Stock rear...
Not a 450. Mostly just feedback to (mx4all) saying the 23 chassis is jacked.

My 23 350 works great! I'm 183 pounds no gear.

Stock rear spring, 105 sag, 35mm free sag. Front running 142 psi. Started out with the MXA settings. Rear ended up going 2 clicks softer compression, rebound out 2 clicks faster.

Very happy with the overall handling, coupled with a great motor. I like this 23 better than my modded 20 FC350.

Anyway... that's just me, your mileage may very...

I agree, the 23 chassis is frickin sweet! I can’t wait to get mine.
suspensionsmith 8/23/2022 6:02pm
8/23/2022 6:02pm
GrapeApe wrote:
Is there any chance we can get you to explain what we're looking at? What does it do, what are the possible benefits?
This is a dual suspension system with the secondary suspension system in series.....a regular Telefork in series with a secondary Girder type linkage suspension.
This gives two main levels of suspension compliance....any bump forces not absorbed by the Telefork which would then normally be felt by the rider are instead further absorbed by the secondary suspension....this means for both the bike and rider the two are deflecting less from big hits....better compliance..stability...directional control and significantly less fatigue on the rider.
What is also given by the two suspensions is a second wheel path to the front wheel....the wheel path of the Telefork which is a little more in the vertical and the wheelpath of the secondary suspension which is more rearwards....this gives a range of front wheel movement between the two which is better able to deal with a much larger range of bump/obstacle sizes and shapes....
But whats really cool is that this doesnt just work in compression....this also has big benefits in wheel rebound or return....the two suspensions are better able to keep the wheel/tire in contact with the track surface....better wheel tracking over the back side of a bump....this translates to much better traction control and stability and from rider feedback a heightened sense of confidence in the front.
https://youtu.be/7S-C2pic7UQ

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183Matt 8/24/2022 7:54am
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How much extra weight with the system?
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183Matt wrote:
How much extra weight with the system?
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