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Richy 8/23/2022 3:28am
8/23/2022 3:28am Edited Date/Time 8/23/2022 6:40am
From the little I could see, and with limited knowledge of AMA rules or Budds track details or most things in general, I reckon a DQ may have been a little harsh... had it not been for the constant repeat offenses and behaviour like this.

You'd think there would still be a penalty, for being off track and on the throttle and ending up in a retaliatory take out, however minor that penalty may otherwise have been (think dropping a position or couple of points) but if you do it all the time and don't learn or can't control your temper then it stands to reason that the seriousness of the penalty gets knocked up a notch, no?
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psychotronBR 8/23/2022 6:23am
8/23/2022 6:23am
Dude got passed, decided to act like a little bitch and pull a loco move to take the rider out the very next turn.

Same ol' same ol'.

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LoudLove 8/23/2022 6:39am
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There must be information that has not been publicly disclosed. Why was Ferrandis unable to remain in the race? Was docking Barcia points/positions seriously considered before issuing the DQ? What role did Barcia’s prior transgressions play in the decision? And most importantly, what evidence exists that disputes or downright contradicts the GoPro footage?

I’m shocked but not surprised that Barcia was DQ’d. I am surprised the decision was made so quickly and without a statement as to why. In light of recent events directly and indirectly impacting MX Sports, full disclosure seems prudent.
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SGoodman 8/23/2022 6:41am
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we need an actual sanctioning body... as far as i can tell, we do not currently have one, or if we do, they've long been paid off... Dumb Dumb should have been properly handled years ago.. but he wasn't, so this is what we get...

and no need to stop there, we need a new promotor for the nationals as well... we don't deserve the WWE shit show that we are receiving...
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hasko158 8/23/2022 7:02am
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MX369 wrote:
Video is out there. seen it
Video is out there. seen it
Regis wrote:
In most cases, video tells the whole story. Not in this case. This POV a doesn’t tell the whole story. Regardless of being forced off track...
In most cases, video tells the whole story. Not in this case. This POV a doesn’t tell the whole story.

Regardless of being forced off track, you can’t cut the corner, hold the gas on and obliterate who just passed you.

He lost his mind like usual and resorted to being a dipshit. Again.
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[i]Disclaimer: I haven't worked with/for Dylan since press day before Pala the day he hurt his thumb[/I] I'm with you, Andy. To be honest, I don't...
Disclaimer: I haven't worked with/for Dylan since press day before Pala the day he hurt his thumb

I'm with you, Andy.

To be honest, I don't understand how this video changes people's mind about Barcia action...

1. He gets passed clean from the inside in an off camber

2. He could've let off, braked instead of forcing the issue. Dylan made the pass.

3. He knows the track and where he was and by forcing the issue that would put him super tight, or in this case off the track, for the next turn

4. He jumps off the track inside the yellow marker. He had another opportunity to jump on the brakes but decided to keep his momentum to make a counter attack.

5. He went straight to the exit of the corner to make the pass. Once again, he just cut the track or went off the track, put it the way you want, and went to the exit of the corner to pass someone. Cutting the track to go block pass someone isn't very allowed and it's very dangerous... There's no way Dylan knew Barcia was gonna do that because he squeezed the inside and left no room for a counter attack

6. I've ridden there before. I've raced Budds Creek many times. I took that turn many times. I can put myself on that turn with someone doing what Barcia did and I can put myself making the turn like Dylan did. I can assure you if you'd see a drone footage of this action, you'd be like, WTF was he thinking!
Weird that Dylan still making it sound like he's working with you DV.
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davistld01 8/23/2022 7:14am
8/23/2022 7:14am Edited Date/Time 8/23/2022 7:16am
I'm NOT a Barcia fan...but whether or not he's guilty here, or whether Dylan is whining over a "racing incident" that is being trumped up to be a bigger deal than it actually was...it's sad that because of it, and because of his past behavior on the race track, and his absolute "no fucks given" attitude when confronted with those actions, those things automatically deny him the benefit of the doubt. Anybody else would have had people looking at various angles of the situation on videos, and there would be a 10-pager here on Vital with a wide range of opinions. That doesn't happen any more, and it's Barcias fault. He has done this to himself by never accepting blame...or even when he does, he arrogantly says stuff like "that's just how I have always ridden". He has sabotaged his career by acting like a complete asshole.



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jorgechavez 8/23/2022 7:23am
8/23/2022 7:23am
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He's screwed others, so karma caught up with him.
Cashmore wrote:
The same could be said for Dylan. It seems Karma has caught up to both of them. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/22/565155/s1200_D68C7313_E719_4E30_8EC0_25CD636D475F.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/22/565156/s1200_325F192F_4792_4260_A2BA_C09A7DC4DDF1.jpg[/img]
The same could be said for Dylan. It seems Karma has caught up to both of them.





Now post all of Barcia’s incidents..
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klinton.silvey 8/23/2022 7:26am
8/23/2022 7:26am
The AMA isn't putting up with the Barcia strategy that he has had his entire career:
"If anyone passes me or is just fast enough I can't pass them cleanly, I am AIMING for their bike to put them on the ground."
That is what Barcia does. It doesn't matter one iota if it was a 90-degree T-bone or not. The point is the man has a pattern of getting mad anytime someone passes him and then aims to put them on the ground all the time.
No one should have any sympathy for him at all.
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motomike137 8/23/2022 7:26am
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davistld01 wrote:
I'm NOT a Barcia fan...but whether or not he's guilty here, or whether Dylan is whining over a "racing incident" that is being trumped up to...
I'm NOT a Barcia fan...but whether or not he's guilty here, or whether Dylan is whining over a "racing incident" that is being trumped up to be a bigger deal than it actually was...it's sad that because of it, and because of his past behavior on the race track, and his absolute "no fucks given" attitude when confronted with those actions, those things automatically deny him the benefit of the doubt. Anybody else would have had people looking at various angles of the situation on videos, and there would be a 10-pager here on Vital with a wide range of opinions. That doesn't happen any more, and it's Barcias fault. He has done this to himself by never accepting blame...or even when he does, he arrogantly says stuff like "that's just how I have always ridden". He has sabotaged his career by acting like a complete asshole.



You are 100% correct here except for painting Justin as complete asshole. He has had his moments on the track that make even a fan like me cringe but he is a good dude imho that sees red a little to easily when racing . But it is a slippery slope when you clearly DON'T have a good set of penalty guidelines and you start winging it based on bias toward someone because of a perception. Ferrandis is no saint and he knew that if he complained enough about it the cards were in his favor being last years champ to get some sort of action.
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reynardfan1 8/23/2022 7:39am
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MX369 wrote:
Video is out there. seen it
Video is out there. seen it
Regis wrote:
In most cases, video tells the whole story. Not in this case. This POV a doesn’t tell the whole story. Regardless of being forced off track...
In most cases, video tells the whole story. Not in this case. This POV a doesn’t tell the whole story.

Regardless of being forced off track, you can’t cut the corner, hold the gas on and obliterate who just passed you.

He lost his mind like usual and resorted to being a dipshit. Again.
mx313 wrote:
From my view point. He was bumped off the track and had no other option but to cut the corner. Or smash straight into the yellow...
From my view point. He was bumped off the track and had no other option but to cut the corner. Or smash straight into the yellow marker. He couldn't have stopped in time to not cut the corner.
He did not accelerate. He panic reved in the air on the dirt mounds on the track edges.
Then he did a standard block pass on ferrandis.

From ferrandis comments it sounded like he passed bam on the corner b4.
Then bam pinned it down the inside of the track, cut the corner and t-boned him.

From watching the video bams side is closer to the truth then ferrandis.
Do I think bam is 100% innocent no. But all he did wrong was coming back onto ferrandis line at the very end. Everything b4 was a racing incident.
It’s a factory 450…it can stop in about 5-6 ft from full speed…he chose the throttle…he is the only one to blame…could have hammered on the binders and stopped. He was on the ground about 30 ft before the marker…he’s an idiot like usual
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spimx 8/23/2022 7:46am
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Dude, I have the same issue where I get really crazy when the gate drops and then I'm embarrassed afterwards.

Ferrandis is in the wrong he pushed Barcia off the track why would he expect Barcia to go hard on the brakes and let Ferrandis pass when he could make a block pass instead
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MX369 wrote:
Video is out there. seen it
Video is out there. seen it
Regis wrote:
In most cases, video tells the whole story. Not in this case. This POV a doesn’t tell the whole story. Regardless of being forced off track...
In most cases, video tells the whole story. Not in this case. This POV a doesn’t tell the whole story.

Regardless of being forced off track, you can’t cut the corner, hold the gas on and obliterate who just passed you.

He lost his mind like usual and resorted to being a dipshit. Again.
dv12.com wrote:
[i]Disclaimer: I haven't worked with/for Dylan since press day before Pala the day he hurt his thumb[/I] I'm with you, Andy. To be honest, I don't...
Disclaimer: I haven't worked with/for Dylan since press day before Pala the day he hurt his thumb

I'm with you, Andy.

To be honest, I don't understand how this video changes people's mind about Barcia action...

1. He gets passed clean from the inside in an off camber

2. He could've let off, braked instead of forcing the issue. Dylan made the pass.

3. He knows the track and where he was and by forcing the issue that would put him super tight, or in this case off the track, for the next turn

4. He jumps off the track inside the yellow marker. He had another opportunity to jump on the brakes but decided to keep his momentum to make a counter attack.

5. He went straight to the exit of the corner to make the pass. Once again, he just cut the track or went off the track, put it the way you want, and went to the exit of the corner to pass someone. Cutting the track to go block pass someone isn't very allowed and it's very dangerous... There's no way Dylan knew Barcia was gonna do that because he squeezed the inside and left no room for a counter attack

6. I've ridden there before. I've raced Budds Creek many times. I took that turn many times. I can put myself on that turn with someone doing what Barcia did and I can put myself making the turn like Dylan did. I can assure you if you'd see a drone footage of this action, you'd be like, WTF was he thinking!
Then of course there are the rules

2.11

b. A rider leaving the course may continue the race by properly re-entering the course at the closest point to
where the rider left the course, without gaining an advantage. If a rider leaves the course for any reason, the
rider must immediately slow down to a safe speed so as not to endanger life or limb of other riders, crew
members, officials, or the public. It will be the responsibility of the Race Director or his designee to determine
whether the rider gained an advantage upon re-entry or failed to slow down after leaving the course. A rider
may be determined to have gained an advantage without gaining a position.

1) Immediately slow down
2) Safe speed
3) Not gain a position
4) Safe to enter the race track

BAM
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MXD 8/23/2022 8:38am
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DFs pass was aggressive but totally fine, he just took the line away. JB went off track behind DF and re-entered in front of him before putting an aggressive block with heavy contact back on DF. If anyone else caught DF without going off track and made that same pass on him from behind, we’re not talking about it today. If anyone else went off track, gained a spot and slammed DF it’s probably a minor penalty of a spot or two. In a vacuum, that’s probably all this move deserves but it’s JB, he has a history and he’s already on probation.

I don’t think the vid really helps JB’s case much. He left the track in 8th, re-entered in 7th and slammed a guy. What are we arguing about?
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Falcon 8/23/2022 9:28am
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When I saw the video I immediately thought, "Oh, that wasn't as bad as I imagined." I'm willing to call it a racing incident of the type Barcia normally gets in. Not completely innocent, but not nearly as bad as plenty other moves I've witnessed from him. To me, it seems like he was out of control a little bit, composed himself, and then saw that he could still try and block Dylan's line, so he went for it. It wasn't "I'm going to saw this guy's front wheel off," like he often does.

If anything, Barcia should be penalized for gaining an advantage off the track more so than for the collision.
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motomike137 8/23/2022 9:39am
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Regis wrote:
In most cases, video tells the whole story. Not in this case. This POV a doesn’t tell the whole story. Regardless of being forced off track...
In most cases, video tells the whole story. Not in this case. This POV a doesn’t tell the whole story.

Regardless of being forced off track, you can’t cut the corner, hold the gas on and obliterate who just passed you.

He lost his mind like usual and resorted to being a dipshit. Again.
mx313 wrote:
From my view point. He was bumped off the track and had no other option but to cut the corner. Or smash straight into the yellow...
From my view point. He was bumped off the track and had no other option but to cut the corner. Or smash straight into the yellow marker. He couldn't have stopped in time to not cut the corner.
He did not accelerate. He panic reved in the air on the dirt mounds on the track edges.
Then he did a standard block pass on ferrandis.

From ferrandis comments it sounded like he passed bam on the corner b4.
Then bam pinned it down the inside of the track, cut the corner and t-boned him.

From watching the video bams side is closer to the truth then ferrandis.
Do I think bam is 100% innocent no. But all he did wrong was coming back onto ferrandis line at the very end. Everything b4 was a racing incident.
reynardfan1 wrote:
It’s a factory 450…it can stop in about 5-6 ft from full speed…he chose the throttle…he is the only one to blame…could have hammered on the...
It’s a factory 450…it can stop in about 5-6 ft from full speed…he chose the throttle…he is the only one to blame…could have hammered on the binders and stopped. He was on the ground about 30 ft before the marker…he’s an idiot like usual
It can stop 5-6 ft from full speed? lol
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davistld01 8/23/2022 9:47am
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davistld01 wrote:
I'm NOT a Barcia fan...but whether or not he's guilty here, or whether Dylan is whining over a "racing incident" that is being trumped up to...
I'm NOT a Barcia fan...but whether or not he's guilty here, or whether Dylan is whining over a "racing incident" that is being trumped up to be a bigger deal than it actually was...it's sad that because of it, and because of his past behavior on the race track, and his absolute "no fucks given" attitude when confronted with those actions, those things automatically deny him the benefit of the doubt. Anybody else would have had people looking at various angles of the situation on videos, and there would be a 10-pager here on Vital with a wide range of opinions. That doesn't happen any more, and it's Barcias fault. He has done this to himself by never accepting blame...or even when he does, he arrogantly says stuff like "that's just how I have always ridden". He has sabotaged his career by acting like a complete asshole.



motomike137 wrote:
You are 100% correct here except for painting Justin as complete asshole. He has had his moments on the track that make even a fan like...
You are 100% correct here except for painting Justin as complete asshole. He has had his moments on the track that make even a fan like me cringe but he is a good dude imho that sees red a little to easily when racing . But it is a slippery slope when you clearly DON'T have a good set of penalty guidelines and you start winging it based on bias toward someone because of a perception. Ferrandis is no saint and he knew that if he complained enough about it the cards were in his favor being last years champ to get some sort of action.
Maybe he's not ALWAYS a complete asshole. But, nearly every time anybody calls him on his riding style, he acts like he's above reproach simply because everybody knows how he rides,and has always ridden. He has never apologized for any blatant takeout he's done...ever. And, when anyone has the balls to give it back to him (like Tomac) he whines about it, and plays the victim card.

He's not like a guy who occasionally gets pissed when he's passed hard and retaliates. He seems unable to make a pass without contact, and practically always looks like it's intentional.

Ok, ok...so maybe he's only 99% asshole.
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slothy 8/23/2022 9:52am
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mx313 wrote:
From my view point. He was bumped off the track and had no other option but to cut the corner. Or smash straight into the yellow...
From my view point. He was bumped off the track and had no other option but to cut the corner. Or smash straight into the yellow marker. He couldn't have stopped in time to not cut the corner.
He did not accelerate. He panic reved in the air on the dirt mounds on the track edges.
Then he did a standard block pass on ferrandis.

From ferrandis comments it sounded like he passed bam on the corner b4.
Then bam pinned it down the inside of the track, cut the corner and t-boned him.

From watching the video bams side is closer to the truth then ferrandis.
Do I think bam is 100% innocent no. But all he did wrong was coming back onto ferrandis line at the very end. Everything b4 was a racing incident.
reynardfan1 wrote:
It’s a factory 450…it can stop in about 5-6 ft from full speed…he chose the throttle…he is the only one to blame…could have hammered on the...
It’s a factory 450…it can stop in about 5-6 ft from full speed…he chose the throttle…he is the only one to blame…could have hammered on the binders and stopped. He was on the ground about 30 ft before the marker…he’s an idiot like usual
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It can stop 5-6 ft from full speed? lol
maybe he has rocket brakes?lol

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ARM670 8/23/2022 10:33am
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Not saying Barcia isnt an asshole, but if I'm Dylan I know retaliation is coming, never let the inside open. Or Barcia read my post about him being on team USA for the MXDN, I basically said he would take down the whole field if needed. Looks like he is trying to get rid of the competition before hand so Cooper doesn't have to worry about a bad start.
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If somebody would just give Barcia a nice concussion, (on or off track), this wouldn't even be a talking point. Was it Bogle? Why's he the only SOB to have had enough?
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WowWowWubzy 8/23/2022 12:00pm
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BAB BAB Putin or Vladimir Barcia is always the victim in these situations!
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Awesome Johnson 8/23/2022 1:13pm
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DFs pass was aggressive but totally fine, he just took the line away. JB went off track behind DF and re-entered in front of him before...
DFs pass was aggressive but totally fine, he just took the line away. JB went off track behind DF and re-entered in front of him before putting an aggressive block with heavy contact back on DF. If anyone else caught DF without going off track and made that same pass on him from behind, we’re not talking about it today. If anyone else went off track, gained a spot and slammed DF it’s probably a minor penalty of a spot or two. In a vacuum, that’s probably all this move deserves but it’s JB, he has a history and he’s already on probation.

I don’t think the vid really helps JB’s case much. He left the track in 8th, re-entered in 7th and slammed a guy. What are we arguing about?
I don’t know if you have seen some alternative video of the incident but in barcia’s GoPro footage ferandis never gains the lead on him. He bumped him off the track like a foot or two tops and Dylan probably had to square up the turn because of it. The way I see it DF ran him deep and JB was returning the favor. Racing incident all day.
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HonDawg17 8/23/2022 1:32pm
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He at no point “cut the track” and he didn’t “T bone anyone” if he did you would see it clearly in the video mounted to...
He at no point “cut the track” and he didn’t “T bone anyone” if he did you would see it clearly in the video mounted to the front of his motorcycle as a “”T Bone” move indicates a somewhat perpendicular hit utilizing the front wheel at the point of impact.
Okay you need to watch his GOPRO again.
Here's the play by play:
Looks like Ferrandis may have gave him an elbow when he cut over.
Barcia decides to keep on the gas instead of check up.
So he jumps inside of the turn marker (cutting the track obviously)
Proceeds to go STRAIGHT at the outside rut (where Ferrandis will be once he meets him in the corner) instead of turning in earlier
At which point he wfo banks into the outside line where you can see him smoke into Ferrandis's front wheel and fork. Just as planned.

Barcia needs to stop taking out riders as retaliation for passing him. Anyone gives him a little elbow and he t-bones them every time. He can never take half of what he dishes out.
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reynardfan1 wrote:
It’s a factory 450…it can stop in about 5-6 ft from full speed…he chose the throttle…he is the only one to blame…could have hammered on the...
It’s a factory 450…it can stop in about 5-6 ft from full speed…he chose the throttle…he is the only one to blame…could have hammered on the binders and stopped. He was on the ground about 30 ft before the marker…he’s an idiot like usual
Can stop in 5-6 feet from full speed?

Do you ride a PW-50 with 280mm disc brakes?
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davistld01 8/23/2022 1:49pm
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jbrow125 wrote:
If somebody would just give Barcia a nice concussion, (on or off track), this wouldn't even be a talking point. Was it Bogle? Why's he the...
If somebody would just give Barcia a nice concussion, (on or off track), this wouldn't even be a talking point. Was it Bogle? Why's he the only SOB to have had enough?
Wow, dude...whether or not you like Barcia, wishing someone would give him a "nice concussion" is inappropriate to say the least.
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Regis 8/23/2022 1:52pm
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Some of you guys need to put the bong down.

If any of you think that Barcia didn’t know what he was doing or couldn’t have avoided what he did, you are higher then Cheech and Chong in all their movies put together.
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TogaSet 8/23/2022 1:57pm
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It’s never been advisable to make any kind of contact when passing BamBam.
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motomike137 8/23/2022 1:59pm
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davistld01 wrote:
Maybe he's not ALWAYS a complete asshole. But, nearly every time anybody calls him on his riding style, he acts like he's above reproach simply because...
Maybe he's not ALWAYS a complete asshole. But, nearly every time anybody calls him on his riding style, he acts like he's above reproach simply because everybody knows how he rides,and has always ridden. He has never apologized for any blatant takeout he's done...ever. And, when anyone has the balls to give it back to him (like Tomac) he whines about it, and plays the victim card.

He's not like a guy who occasionally gets pissed when he's passed hard and retaliates. He seems unable to make a pass without contact, and practically always looks like it's intentional.

Ok, ok...so maybe he's only 99% asshole.
Pretty damned harsh saying that about someone who you don't know personally and seems like a fun loving guy for the most part.
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motomike137 8/23/2022 2:03pm
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Regis wrote:
Some of you guys need to put the bong down. If any of you think that Barcia didn’t know what he was doing or couldn’t have...
Some of you guys need to put the bong down.

If any of you think that Barcia didn’t know what he was doing or couldn’t have avoided what he did, you are higher then Cheech and Chong in all their movies put together.
What's to avoid? Ferrandis ran him off the track from what I saw. I'd do the same damn thing in that corner every time.
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yz133rider 8/23/2022 2:20pm
8/23/2022 2:20pm
Regis wrote:
Some of you guys need to put the bong down. If any of you think that Barcia didn’t know what he was doing or couldn’t have...
Some of you guys need to put the bong down.

If any of you think that Barcia didn’t know what he was doing or couldn’t have avoided what he did, you are higher then Cheech and Chong in all their movies put together.
motomike137 wrote:
What's to avoid? Ferrandis ran him off the track from what I saw. I'd do the same damn thing in that corner every time.
I’ve ridden that track. Ridden those lines. What ferrandis did was a pass for position. What barcia did was a take out.

One guys moving forward. The other guys moving backwards and takes people out who he feels wronged him...
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