Do most of you really respect Trump?

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APLMAN99 wrote:
I think that it’s a pretty easy question to answer. If either of my sons exhibited the behaviors that Donald Trump displays, I would consider myself...
I think that it’s a pretty easy question to answer.

If either of my sons exhibited the behaviors that Donald Trump displays, I would consider myself a failure as a father.

If I exhibited any of those behaviors, my 5’8” 78yo dad would feel that same way but he might add a little bit of spanking my ass with his belt……
Was curious how you would feel if one of your sons exhibited the behaviors of Joe Biden?
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APLMAN99 wrote:
I think that it’s a pretty easy question to answer. If either of my sons exhibited the behaviors that Donald Trump displays, I would consider myself...
I think that it’s a pretty easy question to answer.

If either of my sons exhibited the behaviors that Donald Trump displays, I would consider myself a failure as a father.

If I exhibited any of those behaviors, my 5’8” 78yo dad would feel that same way but he might add a little bit of spanking my ass with his belt……
Wildeye511 wrote:
Was curious how you would feel if one of your sons exhibited the behaviors of Joe Biden?
The either/or logic does not work both ways. The majority of Trump supporters deplore Biden. However, most people who dislike Trump are not enamored with Biden, either. The Pro-Trump crowd seems to have difficulty accepting that logic.
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APLMAN99 wrote:
I think that it’s a pretty easy question to answer. If either of my sons exhibited the behaviors that Donald Trump displays, I would consider myself...
I think that it’s a pretty easy question to answer.

If either of my sons exhibited the behaviors that Donald Trump displays, I would consider myself a failure as a father.

If I exhibited any of those behaviors, my 5’8” 78yo dad would feel that same way but he might add a little bit of spanking my ass with his belt……
Wildeye511 wrote:
Was curious how you would feel if one of your sons exhibited the behaviors of Joe Biden?
LoudLove wrote:
The either/or logic does not work both ways. The majority of Trump supporters deplore Biden. However, most people who dislike Trump are not enamored with Biden...
The either/or logic does not work both ways. The majority of Trump supporters deplore Biden. However, most people who dislike Trump are not enamored with Biden, either. The Pro-Trump crowd seems to have difficulty accepting that logic.
I agree but your level headed thoughtful approach really doesn't fit in these threads.
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APLMAN99 wrote:
I think that it’s a pretty easy question to answer. If either of my sons exhibited the behaviors that Donald Trump displays, I would consider myself...
I think that it’s a pretty easy question to answer.

If either of my sons exhibited the behaviors that Donald Trump displays, I would consider myself a failure as a father.

If I exhibited any of those behaviors, my 5’8” 78yo dad would feel that same way but he might add a little bit of spanking my ass with his belt……
Wildeye511 wrote:
Was curious how you would feel if one of your sons exhibited the behaviors of Joe Biden?
LoudLove wrote:
The either/or logic does not work both ways. The majority of Trump supporters deplore Biden. However, most people who dislike Trump are not enamored with Biden...
The either/or logic does not work both ways. The majority of Trump supporters deplore Biden. However, most people who dislike Trump are not enamored with Biden, either. The Pro-Trump crowd seems to have difficulty accepting that logic.
The reason they deplore Biden is, he didnt fucking win.

Be great to see Sexton win at Pala , and then have Tomac find 2 more points after the race has finished.

And if you really think that all the shenanigans with Soros, Zuckerberg and the rest wasnt a direct assault on a fair election , you really deserve the country you are getting as a result.
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Trump’s own officials say 2020 was America’s most secure election in history
Homeland Security put out a statement with state and local officials that countered the president’s fraud claims.
By Jen Kirbyjen.kirby@vox.com Nov 13, 2020, 4:40pm EST

The 2020 US election was the most secure in American history, according to US elections officials.
“The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history. Right now, across the country, election officials are reviewing and double-checking the entire election process prior to finalizing the result,” the coordinating bodies on election infrastructure and security said in a joint statement issued by the Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity & Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA).
The statement directly contradicts President Donald Trump, who has made unfounded allegations of widespread voting irregularities and fraud. The president is using these claims to challenge the vote counts in several key states that delivered President-elect Joe Biden his apparent Electoral College victory.
The Trump campaign has filed dozens of lawsuits, some of which have already been dismissed. But the barrage of legal action and Trump’s false claims — often bolstered by right-wing media and some of the president’s allies in the Republican Party — have undermined overall faith in the electoral process and in the safety and security of US elections.
In the statement, election officials noted that though some states may do recounts, “All of the states with close results in the 2020 presidential race have paper records of each vote, allowing the ability to go back and count each ballot if necessary.” This beefs up the security of the vote and allows officials to correct and identify mistakes in the counting process.
But the statement made one thing very clear: “There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.”
Or as Chris Krebs, the head of CISA, put it: “TLDR: America, we have confidence in the security of your vote, you should, too.”
Learning the lessons of 2016 and fearing further foreign interference in 2020, CISA undertook massive efforts in 2020 to protect America’s election infrastructure. Krebs made securing elections a priority and received bipartisan backing for his efforts to do so.
In 2020, CISA set up a 24/7 “war room” that election officials could contact to report suspicious activity in real time, and had CISA officials at the ready to deploy to polling places, if necessary, according to the Washington Post. CISA also beefed up its public communication before and after the election on potential threats, including setting up a “rumor control” web page that debunks election disinformation.
Of course, countering election disinformation is infinitely more difficult when the president of the United States is the main purveyor of that disinformation. Krebs has reportedly told people he believes he’ll be fired soon, in large part because his efforts to correct false claims about election vulnerabilities has, not surprisingly, put him on the wrong side of the White House.
The 2020 election faced a lot of challenges. But the system worked.
Krebs and CISA are not the only voices here. America’s election officials agree that this US election was not only secure but incredibly successful given the unprecedented challenges states faced.
The Covid-19 pandemic forced election officials across the country to quickly adapt protocols, often with limited resources. Some states vastly expanded mail-in voting. Election officials had to manage public health concerns at polling places, like social distancing and sanitation, and had to come up with innovative solutions such as deploying curbside voting.
“The 2020 general election was one of the smoothest and most well-run elections that we have ever seen, and that is remarkable considering all the challenges,” Ben Hovland, a commissioner on the Election Assistance Commission, told the Associated Press.
The New York Times spoke to election officials in every state, including plenty of Republican officials, and all stated there was no evidence of widespread fraud or irregularities in this election. “There’s a great human capacity for inventing things that aren’t true about elections,” Frank LaRose, the Republican secretary of state in Ohio told the Times. “The conspiracy theories and rumors and all those things run rampant. For some reason, elections breed that type of mythology.”
Some states have begun running post-election audits; in Arizona, for example, half the counties conducted post-election audits, and none of them found any evidence of systematic voter fraud. That includes Maricopa County, where Phoenix is located; authorities there found no irregularities, according to CNN. Pima County, where Tucson is located, discovered just a two-vote discrepancy. The state, where he leads by more than 11,000 votes, has already been called for Biden.
International election observers from the Organization of American States also said they witnessed no fraud or voting irregularities. Another international election watchdog, the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), said the US elections were “well managed,” though they warned against Trump’s rhetoric undermining faith in the results.
As more states conduct recounts or post-election audits, discrepancies are going to emerge. But voter fraud is extraordinarily rare in the United States — just a handful of cases out of the tens of millions of ballots cast.
NYU’s Brennan Center for Justice did a study in 2007 that found the incidence of voter fraud to be between 0.0003 percent and 0.0025 percent, which made it more likely that an American would be struck by lighting than “he will impersonate another voter at the polls.” A Washington Post report in December 2016 found just four cases of voter fraud in that year’s election.
Trump’s focus on mail-in voting as somehow full of fraud also doesn’t hold up. In Oregon, which has been voting by mail for about two decades, officials referred 54 cases of possible voter fraud to law enforcement in 2016. Of those, 22 people — representing just 0.0001 percent of all ballots cast that year — were found guilty of having voted in two states.
Another analysis by the Washington Post and the nonprofit Electronic Registration Information Center found officials in Colorado, Washington state, and Oregon referred 372 possible cases to law enforcement of double voting or voting on behalf of a dead person, out of about 14.6 million mail-in votes in the 2016 and 2018 general elections. That comes out to about 0.0025 percent of all ballots.
Trump’s rhetoric undermines faith in the democratic process, but it also obscures the hard work done by election officials, ballot counters, and poll workers across the country in 2020. Beyond the logistical hurdles of Covid-19, the threat of foreign interference loomed over this election. So did fears of potential voter intimidation and violence at the polls. But with the exception of a few isolated incidents, the elections were largely safe and peaceful.
The pandemic also raised concerns about poll worker shortages, and that led to a surge of volunteers in some places, a trend that played out across the country.
Emily Hou, a 27-year-old who volunteered as a poll worker in San Francisco this year, described a long Election Day that began at 6 am and ended long after the polls closed. It took her and her colleagues about three hours after the polls closed to shut down the polling location, as they had to triple-check the number of ballots they’d received against the number of ballots the machine had counted.
Sophia Radis, an 18-year-old college student who signed up to be a poll worker in Madison, Wisconsin, saw firsthand the meticulous process of absentee-ballot counting: teams of two, handling just three to five ballots at a time, with observers present and election officials overseeing their work.
Kristi Critchley, who worked as a poll clerk in Pima County, Arizona, kept a running list of how many people had cast ballots, and then checked that against the number of ballots turned in — not what was written on those ballots, just that the numbers matched up. The numbers are checked, and checked again, and checked again. “I very much got a greater appreciation for how tight the process is, and how hard people are working to try to keep that as accurate and transparent as possible,” Critchley told me.
But maybe the biggest testament to the election’s success was the incredibly high turnout, with a preliminary estimate of 160 million Americans voting. With votes still to be counted, 2020’s turnout is now at more than 64 percent of all eligible voters, the highest percentage since 1900. A huge chunk of those voters did so early, either in person or by mail, another first.
Janet Boyd, who’s worked as an election official for nearly three decades in Arlington County, Virginia, told me that law changes before and after Covid-19 could have created challenges for both election officials and voters. But they were prepared and managed everything well, both during the early voting period and on Election Day.
“There could be some little mistakes here and there,” Boyd said of the election, “but I can’t imagine that any of them are to such a level that would create a change in the election results.”

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Wildeye511 wrote:
Was curious how you would feel if one of your sons exhibited the behaviors of Joe Biden?
LoudLove wrote:
The either/or logic does not work both ways. The majority of Trump supporters deplore Biden. However, most people who dislike Trump are not enamored with Biden...
The either/or logic does not work both ways. The majority of Trump supporters deplore Biden. However, most people who dislike Trump are not enamored with Biden, either. The Pro-Trump crowd seems to have difficulty accepting that logic.
philG wrote:
The reason they deplore Biden is, he didnt fucking win. Be great to see Sexton win at Pala , and then have Tomac find 2 more...
The reason they deplore Biden is, he didnt fucking win.

Be great to see Sexton win at Pala , and then have Tomac find 2 more points after the race has finished.

And if you really think that all the shenanigans with Soros, Zuckerberg and the rest wasnt a direct assault on a fair election , you really deserve the country you are getting as a result.
phil, with all due respect you really should seek some psychological help.
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[b]Trump’s own officials say 2020 was America’s most secure election in history[/b] Homeland Security put out a statement with state and local officials that countered the...
Trump’s own officials say 2020 was America’s most secure election in history
Homeland Security put out a statement with state and local officials that countered the president’s fraud claims.
By Jen Kirbyjen.kirby@vox.com Nov 13, 2020, 4:40pm EST

The 2020 US election was the most secure in American history, according to US elections officials.
“The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history. Right now, across the country, election officials are reviewing and double-checking the entire election process prior to finalizing the result,” the coordinating bodies on election infrastructure and security said in a joint statement issued by the Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity & Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA).
The statement directly contradicts President Donald Trump, who has made unfounded allegations of widespread voting irregularities and fraud. The president is using these claims to challenge the vote counts in several key states that delivered President-elect Joe Biden his apparent Electoral College victory.
The Trump campaign has filed dozens of lawsuits, some of which have already been dismissed. But the barrage of legal action and Trump’s false claims — often bolstered by right-wing media and some of the president’s allies in the Republican Party — have undermined overall faith in the electoral process and in the safety and security of US elections.
In the statement, election officials noted that though some states may do recounts, “All of the states with close results in the 2020 presidential race have paper records of each vote, allowing the ability to go back and count each ballot if necessary.” This beefs up the security of the vote and allows officials to correct and identify mistakes in the counting process.
But the statement made one thing very clear: “There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.”
Or as Chris Krebs, the head of CISA, put it: “TLDR: America, we have confidence in the security of your vote, you should, too.”
Learning the lessons of 2016 and fearing further foreign interference in 2020, CISA undertook massive efforts in 2020 to protect America’s election infrastructure. Krebs made securing elections a priority and received bipartisan backing for his efforts to do so.
In 2020, CISA set up a 24/7 “war room” that election officials could contact to report suspicious activity in real time, and had CISA officials at the ready to deploy to polling places, if necessary, according to the Washington Post. CISA also beefed up its public communication before and after the election on potential threats, including setting up a “rumor control” web page that debunks election disinformation.
Of course, countering election disinformation is infinitely more difficult when the president of the United States is the main purveyor of that disinformation. Krebs has reportedly told people he believes he’ll be fired soon, in large part because his efforts to correct false claims about election vulnerabilities has, not surprisingly, put him on the wrong side of the White House.
The 2020 election faced a lot of challenges. But the system worked.
Krebs and CISA are not the only voices here. America’s election officials agree that this US election was not only secure but incredibly successful given the unprecedented challenges states faced.
The Covid-19 pandemic forced election officials across the country to quickly adapt protocols, often with limited resources. Some states vastly expanded mail-in voting. Election officials had to manage public health concerns at polling places, like social distancing and sanitation, and had to come up with innovative solutions such as deploying curbside voting.
“The 2020 general election was one of the smoothest and most well-run elections that we have ever seen, and that is remarkable considering all the challenges,” Ben Hovland, a commissioner on the Election Assistance Commission, told the Associated Press.
The New York Times spoke to election officials in every state, including plenty of Republican officials, and all stated there was no evidence of widespread fraud or irregularities in this election. “There’s a great human capacity for inventing things that aren’t true about elections,” Frank LaRose, the Republican secretary of state in Ohio told the Times. “The conspiracy theories and rumors and all those things run rampant. For some reason, elections breed that type of mythology.”
Some states have begun running post-election audits; in Arizona, for example, half the counties conducted post-election audits, and none of them found any evidence of systematic voter fraud. That includes Maricopa County, where Phoenix is located; authorities there found no irregularities, according to CNN. Pima County, where Tucson is located, discovered just a two-vote discrepancy. The state, where he leads by more than 11,000 votes, has already been called for Biden.
International election observers from the Organization of American States also said they witnessed no fraud or voting irregularities. Another international election watchdog, the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), said the US elections were “well managed,” though they warned against Trump’s rhetoric undermining faith in the results.
As more states conduct recounts or post-election audits, discrepancies are going to emerge. But voter fraud is extraordinarily rare in the United States — just a handful of cases out of the tens of millions of ballots cast.
NYU’s Brennan Center for Justice did a study in 2007 that found the incidence of voter fraud to be between 0.0003 percent and 0.0025 percent, which made it more likely that an American would be struck by lighting than “he will impersonate another voter at the polls.” A Washington Post report in December 2016 found just four cases of voter fraud in that year’s election.
Trump’s focus on mail-in voting as somehow full of fraud also doesn’t hold up. In Oregon, which has been voting by mail for about two decades, officials referred 54 cases of possible voter fraud to law enforcement in 2016. Of those, 22 people — representing just 0.0001 percent of all ballots cast that year — were found guilty of having voted in two states.
Another analysis by the Washington Post and the nonprofit Electronic Registration Information Center found officials in Colorado, Washington state, and Oregon referred 372 possible cases to law enforcement of double voting or voting on behalf of a dead person, out of about 14.6 million mail-in votes in the 2016 and 2018 general elections. That comes out to about 0.0025 percent of all ballots.
Trump’s rhetoric undermines faith in the democratic process, but it also obscures the hard work done by election officials, ballot counters, and poll workers across the country in 2020. Beyond the logistical hurdles of Covid-19, the threat of foreign interference loomed over this election. So did fears of potential voter intimidation and violence at the polls. But with the exception of a few isolated incidents, the elections were largely safe and peaceful.
The pandemic also raised concerns about poll worker shortages, and that led to a surge of volunteers in some places, a trend that played out across the country.
Emily Hou, a 27-year-old who volunteered as a poll worker in San Francisco this year, described a long Election Day that began at 6 am and ended long after the polls closed. It took her and her colleagues about three hours after the polls closed to shut down the polling location, as they had to triple-check the number of ballots they’d received against the number of ballots the machine had counted.
Sophia Radis, an 18-year-old college student who signed up to be a poll worker in Madison, Wisconsin, saw firsthand the meticulous process of absentee-ballot counting: teams of two, handling just three to five ballots at a time, with observers present and election officials overseeing their work.
Kristi Critchley, who worked as a poll clerk in Pima County, Arizona, kept a running list of how many people had cast ballots, and then checked that against the number of ballots turned in — not what was written on those ballots, just that the numbers matched up. The numbers are checked, and checked again, and checked again. “I very much got a greater appreciation for how tight the process is, and how hard people are working to try to keep that as accurate and transparent as possible,” Critchley told me.
But maybe the biggest testament to the election’s success was the incredibly high turnout, with a preliminary estimate of 160 million Americans voting. With votes still to be counted, 2020’s turnout is now at more than 64 percent of all eligible voters, the highest percentage since 1900. A huge chunk of those voters did so early, either in person or by mail, another first.
Janet Boyd, who’s worked as an election official for nearly three decades in Arlington County, Virginia, told me that law changes before and after Covid-19 could have created challenges for both election officials and voters. But they were prepared and managed everything well, both during the early voting period and on Election Day.
“There could be some little mistakes here and there,” Boyd said of the election, “but I can’t imagine that any of them are to such a level that would create a change in the election results.”

That is utter shit.

Simple statistics shows its utter shit, you do not get totally different outcomes either side of an imaginary line drawn on a map.

Of course , if they would here the evidence in court , they could prove your point easily, but they wont here any of it.

By every trick in the book..

It funny how many counties and states have changed their election processes off the back of this 'safest election ever'

Gaslighting of the highest order.

Its easier to fool someone , than it is for them to admit they have been fooled.

When you get old, tell your great grandchildren which side of this you were on.
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LoudLove wrote:
The either/or logic does not work both ways. The majority of Trump supporters deplore Biden. However, most people who dislike Trump are not enamored with Biden...
The either/or logic does not work both ways. The majority of Trump supporters deplore Biden. However, most people who dislike Trump are not enamored with Biden, either. The Pro-Trump crowd seems to have difficulty accepting that logic.
philG wrote:
The reason they deplore Biden is, he didnt fucking win. Be great to see Sexton win at Pala , and then have Tomac find 2 more...
The reason they deplore Biden is, he didnt fucking win.

Be great to see Sexton win at Pala , and then have Tomac find 2 more points after the race has finished.

And if you really think that all the shenanigans with Soros, Zuckerberg and the rest wasnt a direct assault on a fair election , you really deserve the country you are getting as a result.
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phil, with all due respect you really should seek some psychological help.
Maybe you can get a referral from him.
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phil, with all due respect you really should seek some psychological help.
I'm not the one cheering at the destruction of his own country.

What you gonna do now Brian Stelter is gone, who is gonna tell you what to think?
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Phil is 100% correct, and Str8line my cult leader says you’re an asshole. 😂
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As a business owner the only thing I care about is how things are going. Are they getting better or are they getting worse. I am not so soft to care about anything else. When did we get so soft?
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phil, with all due respect you really should seek some psychological help.
philG wrote:
I'm not the one cheering at the destruction of his own country. What you gonna do now Brian Stelter is gone, who is gonna tell you...
I'm not the one cheering at the destruction of his own country.

What you gonna do now Brian Stelter is gone, who is gonna tell you what to think?
PhilG, you have invested a lot of time and energy supporting the stolen election premise. So I must ask: what is the goal of you efforts? Is there a specific result you wish to achieve? People are unlikely to change their views 21 months after the election, regardless of how emphatically a point is made. While the motives are easily understood, it’s the end-game that’s challenging to decipher.
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At the very least address the problem and prevent it!?!
WTF do you think...
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For those who believe the election was stolen: you are giving the Democratic Party waaay too much credit! Think about the level of planning and execution...
For those who believe the election was stolen: you are giving the Democratic Party waaay too much credit! Think about the level of planning and execution required to illegally alter the results of one local election, much less a national election involving multiple states. This is the same organization that would struggle to run a Burger King effectively!

Altering the outcome of a presidential election, without question the most visible act in global politics, would require hundreds, if not thousands, of individuals acting in unison. When was the last time the democrats were unified in anything?

When observed objectively, giving equal weight to all forms of evidence (including evidence that requires other evidence to sustain the model), it signals either the greatest act of espionage in history, or that Occam was right.
A large part of the country cheered on the obstruction and 24 hrs assault on a president to do his job that the majority of the electorate sent him there to do. This was done right out in the open with the full support of the majority of the media, democrats, tech companies, government agencies, and of course the established power that runs in DC, who by the way has no interest in yours and my concerns. Do you think any of these people want to take a look into voting problems that got rid of trump?
Of course not in fact they put that same effort into trashing anyone who dared to question the results.

There is a hell of a lot more than some dirty democrats when it comes to the questions of what went on in this election. And it wouldn't take cheating throughout the country to steal it. It only would take the electoral votes in a handful of states, even just a few. And those states might only require a few counties to get the job done.

The idea that this is to big and blatant of a thing to pull off in full view of everyone is nonsense. Half the voters don't believe it or don't care as long is Trump is gone. The other half think it was stolen or have legitimate concerns especially going forward. That's a big problem.

Off the top of my head here are some major events where Americans got screwed right out in the open. Sure they kicked and screamed about it but in the end submitted and became complacent.

Roosevelt confiscated gold coin under the threat of $10,000 fines and 10 years prison.
Pays 20 Oz then turns around and revalue it at 35 Oz magically increasing the fed bank balance and destroying the value of everyone's money. Unconstitutional, illegal, theft. If there was ever a reason for impeachment. Right out in the open.

What was left of the gold standard was still working to limit deficits and after the LBJ spending spree instead of of bringing spending in check Nixon closed the gold window and put us on a fiat currency followed by mass inflation. Right out in the open.

Roosevelt, again. Using an executive order put over 100,000 american citizens into internment camps.

2008 financial crimes. No accountability. You know the thing.

20 years of wars of terror. Invasion without UN approval all based on lies. Trillion of dollars. How many lives. Corruption beyond belief.

Stand by and call burning down of cities peaceful protests. Then try to blame it on law enforcement, and white people, and Trump.

2020 pandemic. Trillions. Mass corruption, destroyed businesses, lives, kids. People scared into a state of fear and panic.Total cluster fuck.

All right out in the open.
How hard could it be to steal one election when you have most of society trying to navigate all of this govt created chaos.
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Honest question from a fiscally conservative ,socially liberal ,atheist ,Canadian.In my opinion hes a snake oil salesman. It seems so obvious to me. Im absolutely so...
Honest question from a fiscally conservative ,socially liberal ,atheist ,Canadian.In my opinion hes a snake oil salesman. It seems so obvious to me. Im absolutely so confused on how so many people actually like and respect this man. Including most of my Canadian freinds.I can understand supporting many of his policies.Is that the reason of your avid support? Does it Trump (pun intended) his assholishness? Im seriously interested in how a crook who went bankrupt several times fucking up so many people financially. A man who said John McCain was a loser and not a hero can have so much admiration.
He put America first and addressed the serious problems, he personally met with and disarmed worlds biggest threats, been investigated numerous times and still no foreign ties, he was a good president. Clearly better than Biden and A lot more than you can say about Trudeau
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Honest question from a fiscally conservative ,socially liberal ,atheist ,Canadian.In my opinion hes a snake oil salesman. It seems so obvious to me. Im absolutely so...
Honest question from a fiscally conservative ,socially liberal ,atheist ,Canadian.In my opinion hes a snake oil salesman. It seems so obvious to me. Im absolutely so confused on how so many people actually like and respect this man. Including most of my Canadian freinds.I can understand supporting many of his policies.Is that the reason of your avid support? Does it Trump (pun intended) his assholishness? Im seriously interested in how a crook who went bankrupt several times fucking up so many people financially. A man who said John McCain was a loser and not a hero can have so much admiration.
Trump said grab her pussy and that damaged the fabric of America, you deranged fool, look at the facts:

Biden left Billions in military weapons to the taliban, he just weaponized the FBI to target a political opponent, set record levels of inflation, then change the definition of recession and now Governors of border states are issuing act of invasion. Created an energy crisis while we were previously energy independent. All this while the “big guy” get %10 of his sons Chinese Govt business dealing with American military companies. Please never have kids!

What did Trump do again?
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LoudLove wrote:
The either/or logic does not work both ways. The majority of Trump supporters deplore Biden. However, most people who dislike Trump are not enamored with Biden...
The either/or logic does not work both ways. The majority of Trump supporters deplore Biden. However, most people who dislike Trump are not enamored with Biden, either. The Pro-Trump crowd seems to have difficulty accepting that logic.
philG wrote:
The reason they deplore Biden is, he didnt fucking win. Be great to see Sexton win at Pala , and then have Tomac find 2 more...
The reason they deplore Biden is, he didnt fucking win.

Be great to see Sexton win at Pala , and then have Tomac find 2 more points after the race has finished.

And if you really think that all the shenanigans with Soros, Zuckerberg and the rest wasnt a direct assault on a fair election , you really deserve the country you are getting as a result.
APLMAN99 wrote:
phil, with all due respect you really should seek some psychological help.
Says the narcissist, geese dude...bet if we dig enough you're the one needing help
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Honest question from a fiscally conservative ,socially liberal ,atheist ,Canadian.In my opinion hes a snake oil salesman. It seems so obvious to me. Im absolutely so...
Honest question from a fiscally conservative ,socially liberal ,atheist ,Canadian.In my opinion hes a snake oil salesman. It seems so obvious to me. Im absolutely so confused on how so many people actually like and respect this man. Including most of my Canadian freinds.I can understand supporting many of his policies.Is that the reason of your avid support? Does it Trump (pun intended) his assholishness? Im seriously interested in how a crook who went bankrupt several times fucking up so many people financially. A man who said John McCain was a loser and not a hero can have so much admiration.
Shiner590 wrote:
Trump said grab her pussy and that damaged the fabric of America, you deranged fool, look at the facts: Biden left Billions in military weapons to...
Trump said grab her pussy and that damaged the fabric of America, you deranged fool, look at the facts:

Biden left Billions in military weapons to the taliban, he just weaponized the FBI to target a political opponent, set record levels of inflation, then change the definition of recession and now Governors of border states are issuing act of invasion. Created an energy crisis while we were previously energy independent. All this while the “big guy” get %10 of his sons Chinese Govt business dealing with American military companies. Please never have kids!

What did Trump do again?
Wait, they will find something....just wait! 6 years later...We found proof. just wait. umm wait.
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philG wrote:
The reason they deplore Biden is, he didnt fucking win. Be great to see Sexton win at Pala , and then have Tomac find 2 more...
The reason they deplore Biden is, he didnt fucking win.

Be great to see Sexton win at Pala , and then have Tomac find 2 more points after the race has finished.

And if you really think that all the shenanigans with Soros, Zuckerberg and the rest wasnt a direct assault on a fair election , you really deserve the country you are getting as a result.
APLMAN99 wrote:
phil, with all due respect you really should seek some psychological help.
Says the narcissist, geese dude...bet if we dig enough you're the one needing help
Geese? Sober up and maybe you’ll start making some sense, though based on your previous posting history probably not.
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ns503 wrote:
This seems to be an easy question to answer, if you can take politics out of the equation. (An impossibility for some). Because respect comes from...
This seems to be an easy question to answer, if you can take politics out of the equation.

(An impossibility for some).

Because respect comes from what kind of a person they are.

'Just grab 'em by the pussy'. Rallying followers to stop the peaceful transition of power - kind of an important fundamental of American democracy. Just two things, could pull more out from his time when not president.

Not very respectful behaviour. IMO.
Grab em by the pussy 😂 that’s seriously all you have, they still haven’t shown proof that he encouraged the rally to break laws
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LoudLove wrote:
The either/or logic does not work both ways. The majority of Trump supporters deplore Biden. However, most people who dislike Trump are not enamored with Biden...
The either/or logic does not work both ways. The majority of Trump supporters deplore Biden. However, most people who dislike Trump are not enamored with Biden, either. The Pro-Trump crowd seems to have difficulty accepting that logic.
philG wrote:
The reason they deplore Biden is, he didnt fucking win. Be great to see Sexton win at Pala , and then have Tomac find 2 more...
The reason they deplore Biden is, he didnt fucking win.

Be great to see Sexton win at Pala , and then have Tomac find 2 more points after the race has finished.

And if you really think that all the shenanigans with Soros, Zuckerberg and the rest wasnt a direct assault on a fair election , you really deserve the country you are getting as a result.
APLMAN99 wrote:
phil, with all due respect you really should seek some psychological help.
APLMAN99 are you not willing to answer my question? Its only fair to give your opinion on both the people that is being discussed on this board.

Was curious how you would feel if one of your sons exhibited the behaviors of Joe Biden?
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I think the grab em by the pussy thing was blown way out of proportion…he said:

“And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything.”

I don’t agree with the morals of it…but very few people feel sex outside of marriage is an issue…and he didn’t claim to be assaulting anyone…he said “they LET you do it” who are we to judge if a woman lets a man grab her pussy for whatever reason she wants (he’s a famous billionaire star, in this case)? No assault if the woman lets him do it, right?

I disagree with Trump’s morals…I believe sex is for marriage only….but Trumps moral values are very very similar to, likely, the vast majority of Americans…so I can’t understand why a man would condemn Trump for grabbing the pussy of a woman who allowed him do it, when that man himself would likely grab the pussy of any woman that would let him do it?

Follow me? Or am I missing some major part of this grab em by the pussy controversy?
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Titan1 wrote:
I think the grab em by the pussy thing was blown way out of proportion…he said: “And when you're a star, they let you do it...
I think the grab em by the pussy thing was blown way out of proportion…he said:

“And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything.”

I don’t agree with the morals of it…but very few people feel sex outside of marriage is an issue…and he didn’t claim to be assaulting anyone…he said “they LET you do it” who are we to judge if a woman lets a man grab her pussy for whatever reason she wants (he’s a famous billionaire star, in this case)? No assault if the woman lets him do it, right?

I disagree with Trump’s morals…I believe sex is for marriage only….but Trumps moral values are very very similar to, likely, the vast majority of Americans…so I can’t understand why a man would condemn Trump for grabbing the pussy of a woman who allowed him do it, when that man himself would likely grab the pussy of any woman that would let him do it?

Follow me? Or am I missing some major part of this grab em by the pussy controversy?
Yeah, you're missing the part about 26 women having gone on the record accusing him of sexual misconduct or assault, several accusing him of actually grabbing them by the pussy. But it's not true. It's only because he's famous. Or rich. He's a victim! 26 women. His wife among them. Gotta be a conspiracy of some kind though, you just can't picture Trump sexually assaulting someone.



https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-l…
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Titan1 wrote:
I think the grab em by the pussy thing was blown way out of proportion…he said: “And when you're a star, they let you do it...
I think the grab em by the pussy thing was blown way out of proportion…he said:

“And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything.”

I don’t agree with the morals of it…but very few people feel sex outside of marriage is an issue…and he didn’t claim to be assaulting anyone…he said “they LET you do it” who are we to judge if a woman lets a man grab her pussy for whatever reason she wants (he’s a famous billionaire star, in this case)? No assault if the woman lets him do it, right?

I disagree with Trump’s morals…I believe sex is for marriage only….but Trumps moral values are very very similar to, likely, the vast majority of Americans…so I can’t understand why a man would condemn Trump for grabbing the pussy of a woman who allowed him do it, when that man himself would likely grab the pussy of any woman that would let him do it?

Follow me? Or am I missing some major part of this grab em by the pussy controversy?
str8line wrote:
Yeah, you're missing the part about 26 women having gone on the record accusing him of sexual misconduct or assault, several accusing him of actually grabbing...
Yeah, you're missing the part about 26 women having gone on the record accusing him of sexual misconduct or assault, several accusing him of actually grabbing them by the pussy. But it's not true. It's only because he's famous. Or rich. He's a victim! 26 women. His wife among them. Gotta be a conspiracy of some kind though, you just can't picture Trump sexually assaulting someone.



https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-l…
He hasn’t been charged with any of those straightline, see that’s the difference between Trump and Biden. People say Trump does bad shit while, we can see all the horrible shit Bidens doing
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philG wrote:
The reason they deplore Biden is, he didnt fucking win. Be great to see Sexton win at Pala , and then have Tomac find 2 more...
The reason they deplore Biden is, he didnt fucking win.

Be great to see Sexton win at Pala , and then have Tomac find 2 more points after the race has finished.

And if you really think that all the shenanigans with Soros, Zuckerberg and the rest wasnt a direct assault on a fair election , you really deserve the country you are getting as a result.
APLMAN99 wrote:
phil, with all due respect you really should seek some psychological help.
Wildeye511 wrote:
APLMAN99 are you not willing to answer my question? Its only fair to give your opinion on both the people that is being discussed on this...
APLMAN99 are you not willing to answer my question? Its only fair to give your opinion on both the people that is being discussed on this board.

Was curious how you would feel if one of your sons exhibited the behaviors of Joe Biden?
Please see my original post. Disliking Trump does not automatically infer that a person supports Biden. Whether or not Appleman condones Biden‘a behavior is a moot point.
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Titan1 wrote:
I think the grab em by the pussy thing was blown way out of proportion…he said: “And when you're a star, they let you do it...
I think the grab em by the pussy thing was blown way out of proportion…he said:

“And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything.”

I don’t agree with the morals of it…but very few people feel sex outside of marriage is an issue…and he didn’t claim to be assaulting anyone…he said “they LET you do it” who are we to judge if a woman lets a man grab her pussy for whatever reason she wants (he’s a famous billionaire star, in this case)? No assault if the woman lets him do it, right?

I disagree with Trump’s morals…I believe sex is for marriage only….but Trumps moral values are very very similar to, likely, the vast majority of Americans…so I can’t understand why a man would condemn Trump for grabbing the pussy of a woman who allowed him do it, when that man himself would likely grab the pussy of any woman that would let him do it?

Follow me? Or am I missing some major part of this grab em by the pussy controversy?
str8line wrote:
Yeah, you're missing the part about 26 women having gone on the record accusing him of sexual misconduct or assault, several accusing him of actually grabbing...
Yeah, you're missing the part about 26 women having gone on the record accusing him of sexual misconduct or assault, several accusing him of actually grabbing them by the pussy. But it's not true. It's only because he's famous. Or rich. He's a victim! 26 women. His wife among them. Gotta be a conspiracy of some kind though, you just can't picture Trump sexually assaulting someone.



https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-l…
26 consensual women who wanted a pay day after they went to bed with a billionaire
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Titan1 wrote:
I think the grab em by the pussy thing was blown way out of proportion…he said: “And when you're a star, they let you do it...
I think the grab em by the pussy thing was blown way out of proportion…he said:

“And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything.”

I don’t agree with the morals of it…but very few people feel sex outside of marriage is an issue…and he didn’t claim to be assaulting anyone…he said “they LET you do it” who are we to judge if a woman lets a man grab her pussy for whatever reason she wants (he’s a famous billionaire star, in this case)? No assault if the woman lets him do it, right?

I disagree with Trump’s morals…I believe sex is for marriage only….but Trumps moral values are very very similar to, likely, the vast majority of Americans…so I can’t understand why a man would condemn Trump for grabbing the pussy of a woman who allowed him do it, when that man himself would likely grab the pussy of any woman that would let him do it?

Follow me? Or am I missing some major part of this grab em by the pussy controversy?
str8line wrote:
Yeah, you're missing the part about 26 women having gone on the record accusing him of sexual misconduct or assault, several accusing him of actually grabbing...
Yeah, you're missing the part about 26 women having gone on the record accusing him of sexual misconduct or assault, several accusing him of actually grabbing them by the pussy. But it's not true. It's only because he's famous. Or rich. He's a victim! 26 women. His wife among them. Gotta be a conspiracy of some kind though, you just can't picture Trump sexually assaulting someone.



https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-l…
Shiner590 wrote:
He hasn’t been charged with any of those straightline, see that’s the difference between Trump and Biden. People say Trump does bad shit while, we can...
He hasn’t been charged with any of those straightline, see that’s the difference between Trump and Biden. People say Trump does bad shit while, we can see all the horrible shit Bidens doing
I would rather have a President who has slept with consenting women in the past than a pedophile who gropes, strokes and sniffs anything within his reach. Cults are blind to reality and they proved it when they backed pedophile Joey
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Shiner590 wrote:
Trump said grab her pussy and that damaged the fabric of America, you deranged fool, look at the facts: Biden left Billions in military weapons to...
Trump said grab her pussy and that damaged the fabric of America, you deranged fool, look at the facts:

Biden left Billions in military weapons to the taliban, he just weaponized the FBI to target a political opponent, set record levels of inflation, then change the definition of recession and now Governors of border states are issuing act of invasion. Created an energy crisis while we were previously energy independent. All this while the “big guy” get %10 of his sons Chinese Govt business dealing with American military companies. Please never have kids!

What did Trump do again?
Shiner590 for the win!!! How anyone could argue/down vote what he said is unfathomable.

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Honest question from a fiscally conservative ,socially liberal ,atheist ,Canadian.In my opinion hes a snake oil salesman. It seems so obvious to me. Im absolutely so...
Honest question from a fiscally conservative ,socially liberal ,atheist ,Canadian.In my opinion hes a snake oil salesman. It seems so obvious to me. Im absolutely so confused on how so many people actually like and respect this man. Including most of my Canadian freinds.I can understand supporting many of his policies.Is that the reason of your avid support? Does it Trump (pun intended) his assholishness? Im seriously interested in how a crook who went bankrupt several times fucking up so many people financially. A man who said John McCain was a loser and not a hero can have so much admiration.
Shiner590 wrote:
Trump said grab her pussy and that damaged the fabric of America, you deranged fool, look at the facts: Biden left Billions in military weapons to...
Trump said grab her pussy and that damaged the fabric of America, you deranged fool, look at the facts:

Biden left Billions in military weapons to the taliban, he just weaponized the FBI to target a political opponent, set record levels of inflation, then change the definition of recession and now Governors of border states are issuing act of invasion. Created an energy crisis while we were previously energy independent. All this while the “big guy” get %10 of his sons Chinese Govt business dealing with American military companies. Please never have kids!

What did Trump do again?
The US was not energy independent. You use approx 22 million barrels of oil per day.The peak US output was approximately 14 million per day. Just sayin.
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