MXFactory's Tyler Livesay's interview with Derek Harris

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Edited Date/Time 8/15/2022 12:33pm
Does the interview with Cooksey match with this one...you be the judge.

https://youtu.be/DoDsXtsnKxc
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8/14/2022 6:41pm
I’ll watch this one.

You’ll have to tell me if there are any inconsistencies.
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8/14/2022 6:55pm Edited Date/Time 8/15/2022 8:21am
Yup, I’ll watch as well and check vs what I know.

Edit: From what I have been told about the whole situation, this is a credible telling from one side. He doesn't know a lot of the particulars, just the outcomes of the disputed events and cause/effect playing out in front of him and he reports it as such.

If a buddy told you "hey man, I'm going to go do this ballsy thing.....", wouldn't you want to jump on that golf cart and watch the fireworks?
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8/14/2022 6:58pm Edited Date/Time 8/14/2022 6:59pm
Im 12 minutes in. Fascinating. He barely knows the kid but is willing to get full fledge involved in a major shitstorm. Odd?

I can appreciate his admittance early on that his version of things doesnt match Brennan’s. And that the truth in all this falls somewhere in the middle.
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Sore Loser wrote:
I’ll watch this one.

You’ll have to tell me if there are any inconsistencies.
I watched both and there’s No inconsistencies that I caught.

Where is your dog in this fight anyways? You seem heavily involved with every single thread about this whole deal?
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Sore Loser wrote:
Im 12 minutes in. Fascinating. He barely knows the kid but is willing to get full fledge involved in a major shitstorm. Odd? I can appreciate...
Im 12 minutes in. Fascinating. He barely knows the kid but is willing to get full fledge involved in a major shitstorm. Odd?

I can appreciate his admittance early on that his version of things doesnt match Brennan’s. And that the truth in all this falls somewhere in the middle.
Ok DC,Sloan,Walker,Yamaha guy,and or Bigfoot we get it
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Sore Loser wrote:
Im 12 minutes in. Fascinating. He barely knows the kid but is willing to get full fledge involved in a major shitstorm. Odd? I can appreciate...
Im 12 minutes in. Fascinating. He barely knows the kid but is willing to get full fledge involved in a major shitstorm. Odd?

I can appreciate his admittance early on that his version of things doesnt match Brennan’s. And that the truth in all this falls somewhere in the middle.
I will say as a fellow gear head that loves working on engines that there’s no way in hell I wouldn’t want to atleast take a look inside of a star bike!

There’s no way he wasn’t going to dyno and open that engine up even if it were just out of curiosity
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Sore Loser wrote:
Im 12 minutes in. Fascinating. He barely knows the kid but is willing to get full fledge involved in a major shitstorm. Odd? I can appreciate...
Im 12 minutes in. Fascinating. He barely knows the kid but is willing to get full fledge involved in a major shitstorm. Odd?

I can appreciate his admittance early on that his version of things doesnt match Brennan’s. And that the truth in all this falls somewhere in the middle.
Your whole schtick is shady as hell...
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8/14/2022 7:36pm Edited Date/Time 8/14/2022 7:43pm
Worst part of the interview was the “speak your truth” woke bullshit line from Tyler.

Best part of the interview was hearing the engine builder reflect on his interaction with Tim Cotter and admit how he views things in hindsight. He was very cool about conceding that everyone involved probably could’ve handled it better (especially himself) after time to reflect. Very mature outlook after the dust settled. His perspective & leniency towards Brian Deegan was extremely fair.

Which brings up the Matt Walker meeting. Once again we dont know what went on there once Derek Haris left. But considering how fair Derek was to everyone else it’s pretty telling that his opinion of Walker is pretty low.

Walker wanted to fight him - the reason unclear. Now Matt is essentially in a position where it is his turn to explain his version or the court of public opinion is gonna seal the deal on this.

Still no closer to the details on why the claim was dropped. But Im personally inclined to think this Derek Haris guy is pretty alright.
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Sore Loser wrote:
Im 12 minutes in. Fascinating. He barely knows the kid but is willing to get full fledge involved in a major shitstorm. Odd? I can appreciate...
Im 12 minutes in. Fascinating. He barely knows the kid but is willing to get full fledge involved in a major shitstorm. Odd?

I can appreciate his admittance early on that his version of things doesnt match Brennan’s. And that the truth in all this falls somewhere in the middle.
He has way less time in this than you do…
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Sore Loser wrote:
Im 12 minutes in. Fascinating. He barely knows the kid but is willing to get full fledge involved in a major shitstorm. Odd? I can appreciate...
Im 12 minutes in. Fascinating. He barely knows the kid but is willing to get full fledge involved in a major shitstorm. Odd?

I can appreciate his admittance early on that his version of things doesnt match Brennan’s. And that the truth in all this falls somewhere in the middle.
I will say as a fellow gear head that loves working on engines that there’s no way in hell I wouldn’t want to atleast take a...
I will say as a fellow gear head that loves working on engines that there’s no way in hell I wouldn’t want to atleast take a look inside of a star bike!

There’s no way he wasn’t going to dyno and open that engine up even if it were just out of curiosity
Maybe so. But his explanation as to why it was impractical for financial incentive was pretty accurate.

He also conceded why the whole ordeal was unfair to Haiden.

I think he was pretty understanding as to why people so adamantly were convinced on the Deegan side regarding his motives. I think in retrospect he can see why it looks like he had a vested interest in this so he’s being quite forgiving to his detractors.
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Press516 wrote:
Your whole schtick is shady as hell...
"Sore Loser" = Yamaha attorney Laughing
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Sore Loser wrote:
Im 12 minutes in. Fascinating. He barely knows the kid but is willing to get full fledge involved in a major shitstorm. Odd? I can appreciate...
Im 12 minutes in. Fascinating. He barely knows the kid but is willing to get full fledge involved in a major shitstorm. Odd?

I can appreciate his admittance early on that his version of things doesnt match Brennan’s. And that the truth in all this falls somewhere in the middle.
I will say as a fellow gear head that loves working on engines that there’s no way in hell I wouldn’t want to atleast take a...
I will say as a fellow gear head that loves working on engines that there’s no way in hell I wouldn’t want to atleast take a look inside of a star bike!

There’s no way he wasn’t going to dyno and open that engine up even if it were just out of curiosity
Of course he's curious. What he's saying is that he doesn't want to be held responsible for it if he cracks the cases. That's a perfectly reasonable position.
8/14/2022 7:51pm Edited Date/Time 8/14/2022 7:54pm
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Worst part of the interview was the “speak your truth” woke bullshit line from Tyler. Best part of the interview was hearing the engine builder reflect...
Worst part of the interview was the “speak your truth” woke bullshit line from Tyler.

Best part of the interview was hearing the engine builder reflect on his interaction with Tim Cotter and admit how he views things in hindsight. He was very cool about conceding that everyone involved probably could’ve handled it better (especially himself) after time to reflect. Very mature outlook after the dust settled. His perspective & leniency towards Brian Deegan was extremely fair.

Which brings up the Matt Walker meeting. Once again we dont know what went on there once Derek Haris left. But considering how fair Derek was to everyone else it’s pretty telling that his opinion of Walker is pretty low.

Walker wanted to fight him - the reason unclear. Now Matt is essentially in a position where it is his turn to explain his version or the court of public opinion is gonna seal the deal on this.

Still no closer to the details on why the claim was dropped. But Im personally inclined to think this Derek Haris guy is pretty alright.
"No closer to details on why the claim was dropped."

It was 100% corroboration that the Yamaha dealer and Yamaha rep were the parties who leveraged stoppage of the claim.
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Press516 wrote:
Your whole schtick is shady as hell...
"Sore Loser" = Yamaha attorney Laughing
130+ long winded posts in 24 hours is mental health zone. It has to be a room of lawyers. Its not physically possible to even post that much..... Again unless one is not quite right.
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"No closer to details on why the claim was dropped." It was 100% corroboration that the Yamaha dealer and Yamaha rep were the parties who leveraged...
"No closer to details on why the claim was dropped."

It was 100% corroboration that the Yamaha dealer and Yamaha rep were the parties who leveraged stoppage of the claim.
Meh. To what degree Yamaha corporate got involved we dont know. As some have suggested it’s totally plausible that Donnie Yamaha acted on his own.

Derek says the Yamaha guy didnt say much other than that the motor was essentially factory (confirmed by Weege/Star).

Cotter and Brian both come out of the Derek interview looking much better than the mob originally projected. I’d expect if we knew more of that Walker meeting then this story takes even more twists & turns.

Especially if Walker does an interview tomorrow and totally refutes a bunch of the current version of events.
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Press516 wrote:
Your whole schtick is shady as hell...
"Sore Loser" = Yamaha attorney Laughing
devotid wrote:
130+ long winded posts in 24 hours is mental health zone. It has to be a room of lawyers. Its not physically possible to even post...
130+ long winded posts in 24 hours is mental health zone. It has to be a room of lawyers. Its not physically possible to even post that much..... Again unless one is not quite right.

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8/14/2022 8:06pm Edited Date/Time 8/14/2022 8:12pm
"No closer to details on why the claim was dropped." It was 100% corroboration that the Yamaha dealer and Yamaha rep were the parties who leveraged...
"No closer to details on why the claim was dropped."

It was 100% corroboration that the Yamaha dealer and Yamaha rep were the parties who leveraged stoppage of the claim.
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Meh. To what degree Yamaha corporate got involved we dont know. As some have suggested it’s totally plausible that Donnie Yamaha acted on his own. Derek...
Meh. To what degree Yamaha corporate got involved we dont know. As some have suggested it’s totally plausible that Donnie Yamaha acted on his own.

Derek says the Yamaha guy didnt say much other than that the motor was essentially factory (confirmed by Weege/Star).

Cotter and Brian both come out of the Derek interview looking much better than the mob originally projected. I’d expect if we knew more of that Walker meeting then this story takes even more twists & turns.

Especially if Walker does an interview tomorrow and totally refutes a bunch of the current version of events.
Wtf? Harris confirmed he wasn't in the room, and Cotter and Deegan were in the room alone with the kid for nearly half an hour, just as Brennan Schofield said and DC denied.

That's fuckin' horrible for both. There's no twist or turns in Harris' statements. The line and direction it points keeps getting straighter
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Press516 wrote:
Your whole schtick is shady as hell...
"Sore Loser" = Yamaha attorney Laughing
Based on the content of the posts, I’m betting on a connection to the Deegan camp….
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Press516 wrote:
Your whole schtick is shady as hell...
"Sore Loser" = Yamaha attorney Laughing
Press516 wrote:
Based on the content of the posts, I’m betting on a connection to the Deegan camp….
That's a safe bet as well.
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"No closer to details on why the claim was dropped." It was 100% corroboration that the Yamaha dealer and Yamaha rep were the parties who leveraged...
"No closer to details on why the claim was dropped."

It was 100% corroboration that the Yamaha dealer and Yamaha rep were the parties who leveraged stoppage of the claim.
Sore Loser wrote:
Meh. To what degree Yamaha corporate got involved we dont know. As some have suggested it’s totally plausible that Donnie Yamaha acted on his own. Derek...
Meh. To what degree Yamaha corporate got involved we dont know. As some have suggested it’s totally plausible that Donnie Yamaha acted on his own.

Derek says the Yamaha guy didnt say much other than that the motor was essentially factory (confirmed by Weege/Star).

Cotter and Brian both come out of the Derek interview looking much better than the mob originally projected. I’d expect if we knew more of that Walker meeting then this story takes even more twists & turns.

Especially if Walker does an interview tomorrow and totally refutes a bunch of the current version of events.
Cotter is one of largest problems here. He had no dog in the fight and should have continued running the race, not regulating it. That is the AMA's role and he stepped in while the official was tagging the bike. Complete and utterly irresponsible and inappropriate.
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"No closer to details on why the claim was dropped." It was 100% corroboration that the Yamaha dealer and Yamaha rep were the parties who leveraged...
"No closer to details on why the claim was dropped."

It was 100% corroboration that the Yamaha dealer and Yamaha rep were the parties who leveraged stoppage of the claim.
Sore Loser wrote:
Meh. To what degree Yamaha corporate got involved we dont know. As some have suggested it’s totally plausible that Donnie Yamaha acted on his own. Derek...
Meh. To what degree Yamaha corporate got involved we dont know. As some have suggested it’s totally plausible that Donnie Yamaha acted on his own.

Derek says the Yamaha guy didnt say much other than that the motor was essentially factory (confirmed by Weege/Star).

Cotter and Brian both come out of the Derek interview looking much better than the mob originally projected. I’d expect if we knew more of that Walker meeting then this story takes even more twists & turns.

Especially if Walker does an interview tomorrow and totally refutes a bunch of the current version of events.
Wtf? Harris confirmed he wasn't in the room, and Cotter and Deegan were in the room alone with the kid for nearly half an hour, just...
Wtf? Harris confirmed he wasn't in the room, and Cotter and Deegan were in the room alone with the kid for nearly half an hour, just as Brennan Schofield said and DC denied.

That's fuckin' horrible for both. There's no twist or turns in Harris' statements. The line and direction it points keeps getting straighter
The problem at hand is the axis of corruption and bullshit between the Deegan camp, the AMA, MX Sports, Matt Walker and Yamaha regarding the bike claim.

One thing I can tell you for sure:

Derek Harris deserves HUGE props for standing up for this kid, trying to help him and trying to get the truth out there regarding what happened. What they did to this kid is completely unacceptable and is a huge black eye for amateur MX racing as a whole.

It's fucking disgusting.
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Press516 wrote:
Your whole schtick is shady as hell...
"Sore Loser" = Yamaha attorney Laughing
Press516 wrote:
Based on the content of the posts, I’m betting on a connection to the Deegan camp….
Has Deegan prints all over it.

If the rumour that Haiden made a conciliatory, explanatory or apologetic visit to the claimant's camp are correct that suggests he is aware that his famous father's influence is not always positive.
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People saying it's weird Harris stood up for the kid when he didn't know him that well... WTF?

The Moto community, by and large, is a great thing full of great people with great values. I'd like to think most of us in the sport, in a real life setting, would happily stick our neck out or get involved if we saw some assholes pushing a kid around even if we didn't know them at all, why is that weird?

Besides corporate political bullshit sliming its way in, I'm usually pretty proud to be a tiny tiny part of this worldwide community. Same way you can immediately connect with someone you've never met before from the other side of the world because you both ride or love seeing Sexton and Tomac haul ass on a Saturday.
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Sore Loser wrote:
Meh. To what degree Yamaha corporate got involved we dont know. As some have suggested it’s totally plausible that Donnie Yamaha acted on his own. Derek...
Meh. To what degree Yamaha corporate got involved we dont know. As some have suggested it’s totally plausible that Donnie Yamaha acted on his own.

Derek says the Yamaha guy didnt say much other than that the motor was essentially factory (confirmed by Weege/Star).

Cotter and Brian both come out of the Derek interview looking much better than the mob originally projected. I’d expect if we knew more of that Walker meeting then this story takes even more twists & turns.

Especially if Walker does an interview tomorrow and totally refutes a bunch of the current version of events.
Wtf? Harris confirmed he wasn't in the room, and Cotter and Deegan were in the room alone with the kid for nearly half an hour, just...
Wtf? Harris confirmed he wasn't in the room, and Cotter and Deegan were in the room alone with the kid for nearly half an hour, just as Brennan Schofield said and DC denied.

That's fuckin' horrible for both. There's no twist or turns in Harris' statements. The line and direction it points keeps getting straighter
The problem at hand is the axis of corruption and bullshit between the Deegan camp, the AMA, MX Sports, Matt Walker and Yamaha regarding the bike...
The problem at hand is the axis of corruption and bullshit between the Deegan camp, the AMA, MX Sports, Matt Walker and Yamaha regarding the bike claim.

One thing I can tell you for sure:

Derek Harris deserves HUGE props for standing up for this kid, trying to help him and trying to get the truth out there regarding what happened. What they did to this kid is completely unacceptable and is a huge black eye for amateur MX racing as a whole.

It's fucking disgusting.
Now add in the fact that the only AMA official is directly tied to Yamaha because his sons rides for them. Mike Burkeens son Matt has rode the past few Nationals in the 250 class. If and only If he doesn’t stand behind Brennan does that make any of this relevant. We shall see
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Wtf? Harris confirmed he wasn't in the room, and Cotter and Deegan were in the room alone with the kid for nearly half an hour, just...
Wtf? Harris confirmed he wasn't in the room, and Cotter and Deegan were in the room alone with the kid for nearly half an hour, just as Brennan Schofield said and DC denied.

That's fuckin' horrible for both. There's no twist or turns in Harris' statements. The line and direction it points keeps getting straighter
The problem at hand is the axis of corruption and bullshit between the Deegan camp, the AMA, MX Sports, Matt Walker and Yamaha regarding the bike...
The problem at hand is the axis of corruption and bullshit between the Deegan camp, the AMA, MX Sports, Matt Walker and Yamaha regarding the bike claim.

One thing I can tell you for sure:

Derek Harris deserves HUGE props for standing up for this kid, trying to help him and trying to get the truth out there regarding what happened. What they did to this kid is completely unacceptable and is a huge black eye for amateur MX racing as a whole.

It's fucking disgusting.
Kmiller125 wrote:
Now add in the fact that the only AMA official is directly tied to Yamaha because his sons rides for them. Mike Burkeens son Matt has...
Now add in the fact that the only AMA official is directly tied to Yamaha because his sons rides for them. Mike Burkeens son Matt has rode the past few Nationals in the 250 class. If and only If he doesn’t stand behind Brennan does that make any of this relevant. We shall see
He's in the 450 class, riding a YZ250 2 -stroke. I can almost guarantee he bought the bike. It's amongst my questions for Mike's interview.
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Sore Loser has to be receiving at least a 100 bucks per post from someone. There is just no other (sane) explanation at this point.
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Wtf? Harris confirmed he wasn't in the room, and Cotter and Deegan were in the room alone with the kid for nearly half an hour, just...
Wtf? Harris confirmed he wasn't in the room, and Cotter and Deegan were in the room alone with the kid for nearly half an hour, just as Brennan Schofield said and DC denied.

That's fuckin' horrible for both. There's no twist or turns in Harris' statements. The line and direction it points keeps getting straighter
The problem at hand is the axis of corruption and bullshit between the Deegan camp, the AMA, MX Sports, Matt Walker and Yamaha regarding the bike...
The problem at hand is the axis of corruption and bullshit between the Deegan camp, the AMA, MX Sports, Matt Walker and Yamaha regarding the bike claim.

One thing I can tell you for sure:

Derek Harris deserves HUGE props for standing up for this kid, trying to help him and trying to get the truth out there regarding what happened. What they did to this kid is completely unacceptable and is a huge black eye for amateur MX racing as a whole.

It's fucking disgusting.
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Now add in the fact that the only AMA official is directly tied to Yamaha because his sons rides for them. Mike Burkeens son Matt has...
Now add in the fact that the only AMA official is directly tied to Yamaha because his sons rides for them. Mike Burkeens son Matt has rode the past few Nationals in the 250 class. If and only If he doesn’t stand behind Brennan does that make any of this relevant. We shall see
I hear you, seeing the name and Yam connection popping up does get the wheels turning, but Matt has actually been on here a few times and his Instagram is good and transparent so he seems like a stand up dude, and as ML said (who would know better than any of us) Matt's YZ certainly wasn't a handout and he's had limited support for the Nationals, so by all means ask the questions and think it all through, right there with you, but Matt comes across like a pretty genuine guy 👍

Plus anyone on a two stroke nowadays gets the benefit of the doubt from me haha 🤣
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130+ long winded posts in 24 hours is mental health zone. It has to be a room of lawyers. Its not physically possible to even post...
130+ long winded posts in 24 hours is mental health zone. It has to be a room of lawyers. Its not physically possible to even post that much..... Again unless one is not quite right.
Engine Ice Dave who was booted from Vital by ML for repeated melt downs in politically charged non moto threads fits this guy's MO perfectly.
And both from south Florida.
Dave is retired, chemically unbalanced, suffers from Trump derangement syndrome and was posting at rapid fire rate before he was booted. So very good chance Sore Loser is Dave aka unhinged Winky guy.
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is this the same Derek Harris that had a few threads go sideways here a few years ago?
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Yes it is, however he *appears* to be on the right side of the pitchfork in this one and his accounts *seem* credible and in line with others right now, however I guess we'll see how it all shakes out 👍

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