Sextons Acceleration is Incredible

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Edited Date/Time 7/26/2022 12:18am
I have noticed Sextons acceleration past all competitors this year is like they are standing still when he decides it is time to pass! All competitors except Tomac but even with Eli he uses that acceleration to close right up to him and I noticed it multiple times today at Washougal in Moto 1 and he looks so effortless doing it!
I am a Tomac fan and really want him to win this title, Sexton has next year and beyond 😎 But I have noticed (I think everyone has noticed) Eli has been hammering every single lap frantically from the gate drop because he knows Sexton has been his most challenging competition probably ever in his career!
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nvkevin 7/24/2022 5:32am
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I agree with you on Sexton’s acceleration. You could really see it on the exit of some of the corners where he would either close up on Eli, or put 2 to 3 bike lengths on him quickly. However, I think a lot of that has to do with their roll speed. Some of the corners, like the tight S turns at Washougal, Eli was doing the same thing and it would look like he almost had to come to a complete stop yesterday in the second of the S turns when he was behind Chase in Moto 2. Although, they were using that really inside line that slowed up the roll speed considerably.

Chase is fast. Really fast. Everyone else in this field better be really worried about his speed for te next few years. I mean they beat Anderson by almost 30 seconds in Moto 1 and by 42 seconds in Moto 2. That’s just insane. And it isn’t only this weekend that they have been leaving everyone else completely behind.
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Chris_Buehler 7/24/2022 6:27am
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It really struck me how RV was gushing over his corner speed on the broadcast. High praise from one of the fastest dudes to ever ride a bike
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Joey_Bridges 7/24/2022 6:31am
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Remember, Chase is working with a different shock than everyone else.
He said he liked it right away.
Looks like now he has it dialed in perfectly.

Oh...
And he's an animal once the gate drops.
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nvkevin wrote:
I agree with you on Sexton’s acceleration. You could really see it on the exit of some of the corners where he would either close up...
I agree with you on Sexton’s acceleration. You could really see it on the exit of some of the corners where he would either close up on Eli, or put 2 to 3 bike lengths on him quickly. However, I think a lot of that has to do with their roll speed. Some of the corners, like the tight S turns at Washougal, Eli was doing the same thing and it would look like he almost had to come to a complete stop yesterday in the second of the S turns when he was behind Chase in Moto 2. Although, they were using that really inside line that slowed up the roll speed considerably.

Chase is fast. Really fast. Everyone else in this field better be really worried about his speed for te next few years. I mean they beat Anderson by almost 30 seconds in Moto 1 and by 42 seconds in Moto 2. That’s just insane. And it isn’t only this weekend that they have been leaving everyone else completely behind.
What’s crazy is that they could have beaten Jason in 3rd by a full minute if the tip over and restart goofiness hadn’t happened!
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The back shock he is running is really good in them conditions . That's why most euro teams use it . They always say unadilla is a European type track . But to me washougal is the most euro type track
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Zycki11 7/24/2022 7:57am
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He is running a gear higher and carrying his mid corner roll speed. Great combo for success
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Traction control? Seems like cheating compared to Tomacs setup.
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Rossipuppet wrote:
I have noticed Sextons acceleration past all competitors this year is like they are standing still when he decides it is time to pass! All competitors...
I have noticed Sextons acceleration past all competitors this year is like they are standing still when he decides it is time to pass! All competitors except Tomac but even with Eli he uses that acceleration to close right up to him and I noticed it multiple times today at Washougal in Moto 1 and he looks so effortless doing it!
I am a Tomac fan and really want him to win this title, Sexton has next year and beyond 😎 But I have noticed (I think everyone has noticed) Eli has been hammering every single lap frantically from the gate drop because he knows Sexton has been his most challenging competition probably ever in his career!
His handlebars are probably filled with NOS. Laughing
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beamer 7/24/2022 11:32am
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Any chance Tomac shows up or tries a bfrc? I realize it’s Showa
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user760a 7/24/2022 1:56pm
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have you guys ridden even a stock late model CRF450?

Ridiculous power....too aggressive for a lot of people I think.

Not that your average joe cannot ride one around, just that the really aggressive , boatload of power the bike delivers is truthfully kind of a hinderance to smooth, consistent lap times for most riders.

That bike in the hands of a fit, young pro? crazy acceleration about says it...
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gt80rider 7/24/2022 3:04pm
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New school riding technique is no joke for acceleration... sexton is great at it... another great example are the Lawrence bros who kill people on the straights, even while not having the best engine package on the track....
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user760a wrote:
have you guys ridden even a stock late model CRF450? Ridiculous power....too aggressive for a lot of people I think. Not that your average joe cannot...
have you guys ridden even a stock late model CRF450?

Ridiculous power....too aggressive for a lot of people I think.

Not that your average joe cannot ride one around, just that the really aggressive , boatload of power the bike delivers is truthfully kind of a hinderance to smooth, consistent lap times for most riders.

That bike in the hands of a fit, young pro? crazy acceleration about says it...
You can’t compare stock vs factory engines. The way they massage them and tailor them to the riders is amazing especially with the electronics these days.
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nvkevin wrote:
I agree with you on Sexton’s acceleration. You could really see it on the exit of some of the corners where he would either close up...
I agree with you on Sexton’s acceleration. You could really see it on the exit of some of the corners where he would either close up on Eli, or put 2 to 3 bike lengths on him quickly. However, I think a lot of that has to do with their roll speed. Some of the corners, like the tight S turns at Washougal, Eli was doing the same thing and it would look like he almost had to come to a complete stop yesterday in the second of the S turns when he was behind Chase in Moto 2. Although, they were using that really inside line that slowed up the roll speed considerably.

Chase is fast. Really fast. Everyone else in this field better be really worried about his speed for te next few years. I mean they beat Anderson by almost 30 seconds in Moto 1 and by 42 seconds in Moto 2. That’s just insane. And it isn’t only this weekend that they have been leaving everyone else completely behind.
For sure. That leaves the question in my mind, where would Ferrandis fit into this battle?
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nvkevin wrote:
I agree with you on Sexton’s acceleration. You could really see it on the exit of some of the corners where he would either close up...
I agree with you on Sexton’s acceleration. You could really see it on the exit of some of the corners where he would either close up on Eli, or put 2 to 3 bike lengths on him quickly. However, I think a lot of that has to do with their roll speed. Some of the corners, like the tight S turns at Washougal, Eli was doing the same thing and it would look like he almost had to come to a complete stop yesterday in the second of the S turns when he was behind Chase in Moto 2. Although, they were using that really inside line that slowed up the roll speed considerably.

Chase is fast. Really fast. Everyone else in this field better be really worried about his speed for te next few years. I mean they beat Anderson by almost 30 seconds in Moto 1 and by 42 seconds in Moto 2. That’s just insane. And it isn’t only this weekend that they have been leaving everyone else completely behind.
dinger212 wrote:
For sure. That leaves the question in my mind, where would Ferrandis fit into this battle?
5th behind Dungey.
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gt80rider wrote:
New school riding technique is no joke for acceleration... sexton is great at it... another great example are the Lawrence bros who kill people on the...
New school riding technique is no joke for acceleration... sexton is great at it... another great example are the Lawrence bros who kill people on the straights, even while not having the best engine package on the track....
The 250 engine is matching the Star bikes now... has been for at least a year now....
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soopah noviss 7/24/2022 5:52pm
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user760a wrote:
have you guys ridden even a stock late model CRF450? Ridiculous power....too aggressive for a lot of people I think. Not that your average joe cannot...
have you guys ridden even a stock late model CRF450?

Ridiculous power....too aggressive for a lot of people I think.

Not that your average joe cannot ride one around, just that the really aggressive , boatload of power the bike delivers is truthfully kind of a hinderance to smooth, consistent lap times for most riders.

That bike in the hands of a fit, young pro? crazy acceleration about says it...
Zycki11 wrote:
You can’t compare stock vs factory engines. The way they massage them and tailor them to the riders is amazing especially with the electronics these days.
This.


...and also, Honda has gone away from the arm wrenching, HP/torque monster engines of the previous generation.

The '21 a newer 450s have a much more usable and broad powerband. Still likely more power than 90% of the population can use but that chassis upsetting hit has been mellowed out.
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sextons bike looks like anyone could ride it fast. smooth power and perfect suspension setup. Most champions bikes look this way.
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Rossipuppet wrote:
I have noticed Sextons acceleration past all competitors this year is like they are standing still when he decides it is time to pass! All competitors...
I have noticed Sextons acceleration past all competitors this year is like they are standing still when he decides it is time to pass! All competitors except Tomac but even with Eli he uses that acceleration to close right up to him and I noticed it multiple times today at Washougal in Moto 1 and he looks so effortless doing it!
I am a Tomac fan and really want him to win this title, Sexton has next year and beyond 😎 But I have noticed (I think everyone has noticed) Eli has been hammering every single lap frantically from the gate drop because he knows Sexton has been his most challenging competition probably ever in his career!
Traction control will do that.
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user760a wrote:
have you guys ridden even a stock late model CRF450? Ridiculous power....too aggressive for a lot of people I think. Not that your average joe cannot...
have you guys ridden even a stock late model CRF450?

Ridiculous power....too aggressive for a lot of people I think.

Not that your average joe cannot ride one around, just that the really aggressive , boatload of power the bike delivers is truthfully kind of a hinderance to smooth, consistent lap times for most riders.

That bike in the hands of a fit, young pro? crazy acceleration about says it...
Agreed.
The closed throttle to 1/8th is HUGELY different from years past.
Just too much for most mortals!

Bought a 22 WE450, and I seriously miss my ‘08 carb version.

Chase and Eli can likely use the power, but not my body lol

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DonM wrote:
The 250 engine is matching the Star bikes now... has been for at least a year now....
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
How do you know?
HRC's 250 is as good Star's 250s this year judging by starts
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DonM wrote:
The 250 engine is matching the Star bikes now... has been for at least a year now....
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
How do you know?
VetRider97 wrote:
HRC's 250 is as good Star's 250s this year judging by starts
Well that’s one metric to use, but it’s hardly infallible. Can’t we do better than ‘HOLESHOT’ as a measure?
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nvkevin wrote:
I agree with you on Sexton’s acceleration. You could really see it on the exit of some of the corners where he would either close up...
I agree with you on Sexton’s acceleration. You could really see it on the exit of some of the corners where he would either close up on Eli, or put 2 to 3 bike lengths on him quickly. However, I think a lot of that has to do with their roll speed. Some of the corners, like the tight S turns at Washougal, Eli was doing the same thing and it would look like he almost had to come to a complete stop yesterday in the second of the S turns when he was behind Chase in Moto 2. Although, they were using that really inside line that slowed up the roll speed considerably.

Chase is fast. Really fast. Everyone else in this field better be really worried about his speed for te next few years. I mean they beat Anderson by almost 30 seconds in Moto 1 and by 42 seconds in Moto 2. That’s just insane. And it isn’t only this weekend that they have been leaving everyone else completely behind.
dinger212 wrote:
For sure. That leaves the question in my mind, where would Ferrandis fit into this battle?
J. Sloan wrote:
5th behind Dungey.
Hahah. People forget quickly... He was a beast last year! And a never give up attitude like no other. And, he beat Tomac.

He would be right there with tomac and sexton battling for wins.
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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
Well that’s one metric to use, but it’s hardly infallible. Can’t we do better than ‘HOLESHOT’ as a measure?
Starts are a drag race and a very good indication of weight shifted horsepower
Timing over, say 200 yards and a speed gun reading of the first three bikes would be useful.
ProbablyDave 7/25/2022 4:09am
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Watching Sexton roll through the corner before horsepower hill was jaw-dropping. It didn't even look like he was in much of a rut but he moved like he was on rails.
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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
Well that’s one metric to use, but it’s hardly infallible. Can’t we do better than ‘HOLESHOT’ as a measure?
Gungadin wrote:
Starts are a drag race and a very good indication of weight shifted horsepower Timing over, say 200 yards and a speed gun reading of the...
Starts are a drag race and a very good indication of weight shifted horsepower
Timing over, say 200 yards and a speed gun reading of the first three bikes would be useful.
Oh.

In which case, we are all agreed that the Suzuki is faster than the Honda this year then?
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Interesting – In SML after race wrap up, Eli basically echoed the sentiment that Chase was getting him exiting turns, and also pointed out that at Washougal you make time on entry and lose on exit... So Chase being better there consistently was hard.

You could definitely see when Eli would make time up, he was really linking lines and making an effort to stay light on the pegs, get on the throttle earlier but lighter to increase his roll speed... he was better often but not as consistent as Chase, who was almost metronome like, never really wavered...

If the start was reversed it easy could have gone the other way either moto imo.


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The coming to a complete stop in a corner and pivoting the bike around and grabbing a handful of throttle is the same technique they use in SX.

Chase definitely keeps more of his momentum up.

This is also why the Euros have been consistently beating US riders.

Go watch Herlings. He never stops in a corner and pivots. He’s always carrying speed. Watch Eli. He sometimes comes to a complete stop. Pivots. Then gases it.

Pretty obvious once you see it.
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dinger212 wrote:
For sure. That leaves the question in my mind, where would Ferrandis fit into this battle?
J. Sloan wrote:
5th behind Dungey.
Sideways wrote:
Hahah. People forget quickly... He was a beast last year! And a never give up attitude like no other. And, he beat Tomac. He would be...
Hahah. People forget quickly... He was a beast last year! And a never give up attitude like no other. And, he beat Tomac.

He would be right there with tomac and sexton battling for wins.
I don't think there's any doubt Ferrandis would be in this but let's not put 2021 Eli in the same universe as 2022 Eli.
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