Negativity towards the Nationals

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For several weeks I have noticed there is almost constant negative comments about the Nationals. After just reading a couple more of them in the Feld/MX Sports combined series rumor thread, I've had enough of these Debbie Downers. The streaming issues aside this year we've seen big crowds and big rider turn outs. I drove to Hi Point and Red Bud and saw great racing at both races. I can't wait for Budd's Creek.

I have no idea about these people's motivations, but I simply cannot relate to those who spew gloom and doom regularly. Negativity this evening struck me as particularly odd given this combined series is what many fans have been asking for.



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7/15/2022 7:37pm
I can’t wait for Budds creek either, it’ll be my first time this year! There is no better feeling that being trackside at a national. It feels a lot more pure to me than watching SX in the stadiums.
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Let the privateers sell merch. Least this circus could do.
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I don’t think it’s just about motocross.

There’s a general frustration at everything. Look around, moral is down.
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The racing has been great but the streaming services has been terrible. I thought flo was going to be 10$ a month but no I signed up and somehow they took 150$ for a year and no way I could get a refund making that mistake. it's been really bad. I wouldnt mind paying 150$ for the season if the streaming was good.
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I love SX- cut throat racing and tactics etc. But I cannot think of a single National series that wasn’t awesome.
What some of those guys can do on a outdoors track is phenomenal!
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For several weeks I have noticed there is almost constant negative comments about the Nationals. After just reading a couple more of them in the Feld/MX...
For several weeks I have noticed there is almost constant negative comments about the Nationals. After just reading a couple more of them in the Feld/MX Sports combined series rumor thread, I've had enough of these Debbie Downers. The streaming issues aside this year we've seen big crowds and big rider turn outs. I drove to Hi Point and Red Bud and saw great racing at both races. I can't wait for Budd's Creek.

I have no idea about these people's motivations, but I simply cannot relate to those who spew gloom and doom regularly. Negativity this evening struck me as particularly odd given this combined series is what many fans have been asking for.



Who has been asking for a combined series? Don't we have more than enough SX with 17 rounds???
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KlockreN wrote:
The racing has been great but the streaming services has been terrible. I thought flo was going to be 10$ a month but no I signed...
The racing has been great but the streaming services has been terrible. I thought flo was going to be 10$ a month but no I signed up and somehow they took 150$ for a year and no way I could get a refund making that mistake. it's been really bad. I wouldnt mind paying 150$ for the season if the streaming was good.
User error if you paid 150.
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7/15/2022 9:04pm
The streaming is the only problem. The nationals themselves are awesome, and I greatly prefer them to SX.
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7/15/2022 9:11pm
How can you simply push the streaming issues aside? Long time supporters and fans of MX subscribed for and PAID for a service but recieved garbage instead. We have a right to be disappointed and to voice our grievances.

No one is bitching about the actual racing this year. Both classes are delivering great racing and we just want a solid service like we had on Peacock last year.
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7/15/2022 9:13pm
How can you simply push the streaming issues aside? Long time supporters and fans of MX subscribed for and PAID for a service but recieved garbage instead. We have a right to be disappointed and to voice our grievances.

No one is bitching about the actual racing this year. Both classes are delivering great racing and we just want a solid service like we had on Peacock last year.
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Racing at Pala instead of Glen Helen. How does that not suck?.
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RonSkj wrote:
Racing at Pala instead of Glen Helen. How does that not suck?.
I can live with one Pala round but two is stupid.
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The only negative this year that I see was the MavTV debacle. The racing has been great....especially the 450 class.

Life is good.

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I’ve watched every moto this year with no issues. Start the recording after 30-45 mins and fast forward through all the commercials so I am able to watch nothing but moto for 2 hours. Went to one National and it was ran so professionally I was amazed. Races going off the gate like clockwork, great racing, nice crowds, good food/drink/booths to shop for goodies. It was an awesome day! No complaints from me
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7/15/2022 10:28pm Edited Date/Time 7/15/2022 10:29pm
I love the nationals. Pure dirt bike racing that challenges Man and Machine. It’s the original and the best. This years 450 has been all-time so far.
Imo Supercross is filler until mid-year. If you’re Supercross only I think less of you.
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Hangtown was much more fun live this year than A1, Oakland, or A3 to me, which were the other live events I went to.

From a streaming perspective- I have been able to watch every race so far when I wanted to. Some took some tech savvy, which isn’t ideal, but I sorted it out pretty quick.

And the actual racing has been bonkers. My only complaint is that it looks like a Jett/Eli runaway train. Here’s to hoping tomorrow we see something exciting and new.
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KennyT wrote:
I’ve watched every moto this year with no issues. Start the recording after 30-45 mins and fast forward through all the commercials so I am able...
I’ve watched every moto this year with no issues. Start the recording after 30-45 mins and fast forward through all the commercials so I am able to watch nothing but moto for 2 hours. Went to one National and it was ran so professionally I was amazed. Races going off the gate like clockwork, great racing, nice crowds, good food/drink/booths to shop for goodies. It was an awesome day! No complaints from me
Genuinely glad it's worked for you mate, and I'm sure it was an awesome day at the track, so good times 👍

Some, me included, have had legit and pretty major viewing issues, but beyond that there's not much negative to say, love the outdoors and there's been some great racing this year, like every year.
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The running of the show is a debacle. From the streaming/TV debacle, to two Palas/ no Glen Helen, to starving privateers, stars/sponsors/ maufacturers not caring to compete, to no races in the south of the continent, it is a shit show. Same complaints every year, nobody cares or gives a shit.
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I have never enjoyed the Nationals more on TV but this is my first year streaming them instead of dvr. Really like the drone footage too. I've had no issues at all with Mav+ but maybe it's because I hardly have watched any live.
As far as in person, haven't gone to a supercross in years but outdoors at the track is what it's all about.
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Getting back to the point of why there's all this negativity, I'm a guy who much - MUCH - prefers the Nationals over Supercross, but it seems both the "average TV viewer" and the "average OEM executive" see it differently There's something in the air that's foul, a swirling breeze of smelly rumors that more and more riders - even the younger ones - will soon be opting for Supercross-only contracts. There's little doubt any more that the current schedule is too long and arduous, and now that there will be TWO full-blown Supercross series - it's not hard to find the root of the negativity we're seeing.

So then, IF that's the case, IF the Nationals could soon be threatened with extinction by worldwide Supercross domination, then solutions to avoid that horrific eventuality should begin now, before it's too late, no?

I don't see that as necessarily being negative, I see it as being proactive. A 20-race Grand National series that involves both indoor and outdoor venues might not be a perfect solution, but it beats the Nationals going away entirely, that's for damn sure.

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One of the better outdoor seasons in quite a while.
Even the 250's.
Behind Jett's domination, you're seeing a lot of good racers coming up through the ranks.

It'll be interesting to watch them sink or swim over the next few seasons.
As well as seeing, Jett, Hunter, Jo, Colt, etc...
Move up to the open class.
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250 cross wrote:
I have never enjoyed the Nationals more on TV but this is my first year streaming them instead of dvr. Really like the drone footage too...
I have never enjoyed the Nationals more on TV but this is my first year streaming them instead of dvr. Really like the drone footage too. I've had no issues at all with Mav+ but maybe it's because I hardly have watched any live.
As far as in person, haven't gone to a supercross in years but outdoors at the track is what it's all about.
I do like the drone footage also, at times and fairly briefly it can be great and kudos to them for moving with the times in one respect, but we've gotta go a little careful bigging it up I reckon.

I can see it being something that ends up being overused and detracting from watching the racing or being used as an excuse to bin much-needed trackside cameras and cameramen which are super important, as someone else raised the same concern about the other day 👍

But yeah, Nationals are sweeeet!
7/16/2022 6:25am
i lovee the nationals, dont think people are hating its just annoying not being able to consistently watch it on TV

its not rocket science and 15 years ago if you had cable TV you could count on it.

our society is crumbling if you havent noticed
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I LOVE the Nationals! I've been critical of the streaming and I like to grouse about things like the production of the show and Red Bud's layout. GET OFF MY LAWN! lol.
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I don’t think there is one individual here complaining about the actual racing this year at the nationals. It’s more of trying to watch this awesome racing. When your kid is stoked on the racing,make some lunch,get set up for racing and all you get is a black screen and log in issues 15 mins in on all races it’s very fustrating. I know davey combs sent out that letter and we get it,but damn we just wannna watch. So we just watch the replay on Sunday with some breakfast with the wife and kid. Racing has been damn good and having Caroli and dunge racing!!!!! Pretty badass if you ask me.
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For several weeks I have noticed there is almost constant negative comments about the Nationals. After just reading a couple more of them in the Feld/MX...
For several weeks I have noticed there is almost constant negative comments about the Nationals. After just reading a couple more of them in the Feld/MX Sports combined series rumor thread, I've had enough of these Debbie Downers. The streaming issues aside this year we've seen big crowds and big rider turn outs. I drove to Hi Point and Red Bud and saw great racing at both races. I can't wait for Budd's Creek.

I have no idea about these people's motivations, but I simply cannot relate to those who spew gloom and doom regularly. Negativity this evening struck me as particularly odd given this combined series is what many fans have been asking for.




These days, people think that hyperbole distributed via the interwebs is a way initiate change. They are constantly trolling for opportunities to pile on.

Truth is, the nationals are fantastic this year. I am sad that MavTV canceled my subscription earlier than they committed as I was planning to watch two more nationals. I gotta find something else to do today.
7/16/2022 8:01am
Love the nationals. If I had to choose between the outdoor nationals or supercross it would hands down be the nationals. But the production has regressed and has been terrible and of course streaming has been a disaster.

The people that are bitchin about it are passionate about it and without their support there very well could be no nationals so I think they/me have a right to express our opinion.
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For several weeks I have noticed there is almost constant negative comments about the Nationals. After just reading a couple more of them in the Feld/MX...
For several weeks I have noticed there is almost constant negative comments about the Nationals. After just reading a couple more of them in the Feld/MX Sports combined series rumor thread, I've had enough of these Debbie Downers. The streaming issues aside this year we've seen big crowds and big rider turn outs. I drove to Hi Point and Red Bud and saw great racing at both races. I can't wait for Budd's Creek.

I have no idea about these people's motivations, but I simply cannot relate to those who spew gloom and doom regularly. Negativity this evening struck me as particularly odd given this combined series is what many fans have been asking for.



It’s assholes like you. Of course the racing is great. But not being able to watch it half of the time with all of the bullshit streams, some of the motos being on three different servers in the same day. Get your head out of your ass. It’s a ghetto sport right now. Yes if you are there, it’s glorious. The talent has never been better. But for us diehard fans that want to watch it from a far… It’s a nightmare. But you just keep on with your head in the clouds OK….
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I like the Nationals as much as Supercross. But, the streaming has been a total debacle.
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7/16/2022 8:51pm Edited Date/Time 7/16/2022 8:52pm
For several weeks I have noticed there is almost constant negative comments about the Nationals. After just reading a couple more of them in the Feld/MX...
For several weeks I have noticed there is almost constant negative comments about the Nationals. After just reading a couple more of them in the Feld/MX Sports combined series rumor thread, I've had enough of these Debbie Downers. The streaming issues aside this year we've seen big crowds and big rider turn outs. I drove to Hi Point and Red Bud and saw great racing at both races. I can't wait for Budd's Creek.

I have no idea about these people's motivations, but I simply cannot relate to those who spew gloom and doom regularly. Negativity this evening struck me as particularly odd given this combined series is what many fans have been asking for.



Trickamoto wrote:
It’s assholes like you. Of course the racing is great. But not being able to watch it half of the time with all of the bullshit...
It’s assholes like you. Of course the racing is great. But not being able to watch it half of the time with all of the bullshit streams, some of the motos being on three different servers in the same day. Get your head out of your ass. It’s a ghetto sport right now. Yes if you are there, it’s glorious. The talent has never been better. But for us diehard fans that want to watch it from a far… It’s a nightmare. But you just keep on with your head in the clouds OK….
Wow. Must suck to be you having that much anger plus I bet you don't talk to strangers like that in person either. I wasn't at Millville but watched the first two motos lives on Flo with zero issues then went to some friends' house for dinner. Got back home and just watched both 2nd motos also with zero issues.

Good luck resolving your issues,

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