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yak651 wrote:
Agree too many classes but local race had good turnout the other day [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/07/11/559083/s1200_A5242E49_8038_41CD_ACDC_11B54D8E2076.jpg[/img]
Agree too many classes but local race had good turnout the other day
The C Classes at this track used to have 3 Gates of riders in the 2000s as you can tell by the turnout in the 50 class most of them still race LOLOL
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Ya I would just stop riding. I love the feeling of pinning it off a jump. If that wasn't available I'd just sell my stuff. I...
Ya I would just stop riding. I love the feeling of pinning it off a jump. If that wasn't available I'd just sell my stuff. I just don't like or have fun trail riding. Not trying to be a dick but I've done so much of since I was young. I'd get ride of my moto stuff and get back into snowboarding.
No one gives a fuuuuuuck. Stop riding, go ride moto, go play with yourself. I assure you, nobody cares.
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Time to step away from the keyboard my man
I think he needs to poop.
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PRM31 wrote:
How about: 65 B 65 A 85 B 85 A 250 B 250 A 450 B 450 A Vet 35+ 2 motos for each. Adjust as...
How about:
65 B
65 A
85 B
85 A
250 B
250 A
450 B
450 A
Vet 35+

2 motos for each.

Adjust as demand dictates.
35+ Vet Only? Sorry Dude, but I have raced since I was 8 years old. So for all my efforts over the years, my reward is to race Dudes 20 years younger than me? That sucks. I want to have at least a shot at a good finish, but at 58 years old the odds would not be in my favor... Not trying to sound like a little bitch, but at most VetFest races 50+ and 55+ are some of the biggest classes. We have had completely full gates at Red Bud the (3) years. I get you're talking local races, but dismissing "Senior" riders is a little short sighted... Just my 2 cents
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PRM31 wrote:
How about: 65 B 65 A 85 B 85 A 250 B 250 A 450 B 450 A Vet 35+ 2 motos for each. Adjust as...
How about:
65 B
65 A
85 B
85 A
250 B
250 A
450 B
450 A
Vet 35+

2 motos for each.

Adjust as demand dictates.
Quite possibly the worst class line up ever proposed.

So, the 20-year-old kid who finally moved out of his parents' house and could buy and race the bike mom never let him should race 250B with Danger Boy? The 54-year-old dude (Me) should be on the track with a 35-year-old A rider?

I hope you have a lot of ambulances at your track because it will be carnage. Hell, I may bring my own toe tag to save the guys some time.
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PRM31 wrote:
How about: 65 B 65 A 85 B 85 A 250 B 250 A 450 B 450 A Vet 35+ 2 motos for each. Adjust as...
How about:
65 B
65 A
85 B
85 A
250 B
250 A
450 B
450 A
Vet 35+

2 motos for each.

Adjust as demand dictates.
McG194 wrote:
Quite possibly the worst class line up ever proposed. So, the 20-year-old kid who finally moved out of his parents' house and could buy and race...
Quite possibly the worst class line up ever proposed.

So, the 20-year-old kid who finally moved out of his parents' house and could buy and race the bike mom never let him should race 250B with Danger Boy? The 54-year-old dude (Me) should be on the track with a 35-year-old A rider?

I hope you have a lot of ambulances at your track because it will be carnage. Hell, I may bring my own toe tag to save the guys some time.
Is danger boy racing at your local race? For a local race this seems fine, I would definitely add at least 2 more vet classes though.
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Back on topic, I finally recalled where I remember the NorCal guy from. It was the PulpMX silly season thread. It was 3 a.m. and he was washing valiums down with Crown Royal but still had the energy to bang one of his chick's friends who had natural double D's but only weighed 110 pounds and was over at their place for a bachelorette party fueled by champagne and coke. Then he started making fun of fat chicks from Montana. He sounds like the product of a profeshenal and Midwest_Mafia truck stop eiffel tower gone wrong.
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PRM31 wrote:
How about: 65 B 65 A 85 B 85 A 250 B 250 A 450 B 450 A Vet 35+ 2 motos for each. Adjust as...
How about:
65 B
65 A
85 B
85 A
250 B
250 A
450 B
450 A
Vet 35+

2 motos for each.

Adjust as demand dictates.
McG194 wrote:
Quite possibly the worst class line up ever proposed. So, the 20-year-old kid who finally moved out of his parents' house and could buy and race...
Quite possibly the worst class line up ever proposed.

So, the 20-year-old kid who finally moved out of his parents' house and could buy and race the bike mom never let him should race 250B with Danger Boy? The 54-year-old dude (Me) should be on the track with a 35-year-old A rider?

I hope you have a lot of ambulances at your track because it will be carnage. Hell, I may bring my own toe tag to save the guys some time.
Agree, terrible lineup for riders and promoters. As a B rider on a 450, I'm eligible for one class. Not worth my time.

Currently, riders want more seat time and my local track provides it. Rather than long motos which the vast majority of riders hate (except A riders) because they race for 2 laps and fight arm pump for the next 2, we run more classes (22-23 classes and 18-19 gate drops). I race three classes (six 4 lap motos) with an average of 35 min between motos. Its a perfect scenario of seat time and rest time.

The promoter gets race fees for three classes as well. We designed our class structure so that most riders will qualify for 3 classes, some only two. And a large percentage of our riders sign up for 2-3 classes. (475 total entries last weekend)

If you complain about not enough seat time.....sign up for more classes.
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crpilot wrote:
Agree, terrible lineup for riders and promoters. As a B rider on a 450, I'm eligible for one class. Not worth my time. Currently, riders want...
Agree, terrible lineup for riders and promoters. As a B rider on a 450, I'm eligible for one class. Not worth my time.

Currently, riders want more seat time and my local track provides it. Rather than long motos which the vast majority of riders hate (except A riders) because they race for 2 laps and fight arm pump for the next 2, we run more classes (22-23 classes and 18-19 gate drops). I race three classes (six 4 lap motos) with an average of 35 min between motos. Its a perfect scenario of seat time and rest time.

The promoter gets race fees for three classes as well. We designed our class structure so that most riders will qualify for 3 classes, some only two. And a large percentage of our riders sign up for 2-3 classes. (475 total entries last weekend)

If you complain about not enough seat time.....sign up for more classes.
I 100% agree with this. We have some local stadium races that are over pretty quickly. If i do two classes it's not enough track time. 3 classes and i'm exhausted at the end of the day. For motocross....i do two classes only.
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PRM31 wrote:
How about: 65 B 65 A 85 B 85 A 250 B 250 A 450 B 450 A Vet 35+ 2 motos for each. Adjust as...
How about:
65 B
65 A
85 B
85 A
250 B
250 A
450 B
450 A
Vet 35+

2 motos for each.

Adjust as demand dictates.
McG194 wrote:
Quite possibly the worst class line up ever proposed. So, the 20-year-old kid who finally moved out of his parents' house and could buy and race...
Quite possibly the worst class line up ever proposed.

So, the 20-year-old kid who finally moved out of his parents' house and could buy and race the bike mom never let him should race 250B with Danger Boy? The 54-year-old dude (Me) should be on the track with a 35-year-old A rider?

I hope you have a lot of ambulances at your track because it will be carnage. Hell, I may bring my own toe tag to save the guys some time.
davis224 wrote:
Is danger boy racing at your local race? For a local race this seems fine, I would definitely add at least 2 more vet classes though.
Obviously I'm using a worst case scenario as an example. Anyone in business knows you should always think worst case, just ask the guys at Mav TV.

Any kid running B class at LL's would be eligible for that class and they don't belong on the track with a newbie.
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crpilot wrote:
Agree, terrible lineup for riders and promoters. As a B rider on a 450, I'm eligible for one class. Not worth my time. Currently, riders want...
Agree, terrible lineup for riders and promoters. As a B rider on a 450, I'm eligible for one class. Not worth my time.

Currently, riders want more seat time and my local track provides it. Rather than long motos which the vast majority of riders hate (except A riders) because they race for 2 laps and fight arm pump for the next 2, we run more classes (22-23 classes and 18-19 gate drops). I race three classes (six 4 lap motos) with an average of 35 min between motos. Its a perfect scenario of seat time and rest time.

The promoter gets race fees for three classes as well. We designed our class structure so that most riders will qualify for 3 classes, some only two. And a large percentage of our riders sign up for 2-3 classes. (475 total entries last weekend)

If you complain about not enough seat time.....sign up for more classes.
Moto520 wrote:
I 100% agree with this. We have some local stadium races that are over pretty quickly. If i do two classes it's not enough track time...
I 100% agree with this. We have some local stadium races that are over pretty quickly. If i do two classes it's not enough track time. 3 classes and i'm exhausted at the end of the day. For motocross....i do two classes only.
When you get old (59) it's really hard to find 2 classes where you feel safe. I'm forced to ride 40+ Int with no other real options at one local series. I don't like gating with guys 20 years younger than I - they have a different mindset and I become a hazard at times. Ain't no way in hell I'm lining up in any Open or 450 B/C class. All kinds of sketch happens out there. And some practice sessions are 30+, period. I got kids over 30. Wink

Tough for the promoter to please all of us, all of the time. I do like the idea of 1/2 day schedules with small/big splits so that you don't sit around waiting all day while 50cc parents yell at their kids and pick them up 6 times per lap. I've been one of those too.
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backinthesaddleagain 7/12/2022 2:00pm
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davis224 wrote:
Is danger boy racing at your local race? For a local race this seems fine, I would definitely add at least 2 more vet classes though.
IMO Danger Boy should be in A, but thats another story
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McG194 wrote:
Quite possibly the worst class line up ever proposed. So, the 20-year-old kid who finally moved out of his parents' house and could buy and race...
Quite possibly the worst class line up ever proposed.

So, the 20-year-old kid who finally moved out of his parents' house and could buy and race the bike mom never let him should race 250B with Danger Boy? The 54-year-old dude (Me) should be on the track with a 35-year-old A rider?

I hope you have a lot of ambulances at your track because it will be carnage. Hell, I may bring my own toe tag to save the guys some time.
davis224 wrote:
Is danger boy racing at your local race? For a local race this seems fine, I would definitely add at least 2 more vet classes though.
McG194 wrote:
Obviously I'm using a worst case scenario as an example. Anyone in business knows you should always think worst case, just ask the guys at Mav...
Obviously I'm using a worst case scenario as an example. Anyone in business knows you should always think worst case, just ask the guys at Mav TV.

Any kid running B class at LL's would be eligible for that class and they don't belong on the track with a newbie.
Then you run into every bike size/age group needing 3 skill levels, and you end up where we are now. It's difficult to find the balance and I don't know if there's a one size fits all format for all areas.
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Back on topic, I finally recalled where I remember the NorCal guy from. It was the PulpMX silly season thread. It was 3 a.m. and he...
Back on topic, I finally recalled where I remember the NorCal guy from. It was the PulpMX silly season thread. It was 3 a.m. and he was washing valiums down with Crown Royal but still had the energy to bang one of his chick's friends who had natural double D's but only weighed 110 pounds and was over at their place for a bachelorette party fueled by champagne and coke. Then he started making fun of fat chicks from Montana. He sounds like the product of a profeshenal and Midwest_Mafia truck stop eiffel tower gone wrong.
Don’t talk about my boy.
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davis224 7/12/2022 2:37pm
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Honestly some of the most fun I've had racing has been the team races at LTM. They combine both MX tracks with a trail loop for one big lap, you trade laps with your partner. Never get too worn out and have a blast riding all sorts of terrain.
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mooch 7/12/2022 2:50pm
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PRM31 wrote:
How about: 65 B 65 A 85 B 85 A 250 B 250 A 450 B 450 A Vet 35+ 2 motos for each. Adjust as...
How about:
65 B
65 A
85 B
85 A
250 B
250 A
450 B
450 A
Vet 35+

2 motos for each.

Adjust as demand dictates.
McG194 wrote:
Quite possibly the worst class line up ever proposed. So, the 20-year-old kid who finally moved out of his parents' house and could buy and race...
Quite possibly the worst class line up ever proposed.

So, the 20-year-old kid who finally moved out of his parents' house and could buy and race the bike mom never let him should race 250B with Danger Boy? The 54-year-old dude (Me) should be on the track with a 35-year-old A rider?

I hope you have a lot of ambulances at your track because it will be carnage. Hell, I may bring my own toe tag to save the guys some time.
Totally agree.

Plus, if a track is for some reason going to have to limit the number of their vet classes, why do 35+...that's too young imho. Personally, I don't feel like I started getting a bit slower until somewhere between 45 and 50.
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Don’t talk about my boy.
Bruno? Is that you?
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Bruno? Is that you?
Ill stop by later tonight.
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davis224 wrote:
Is danger boy racing at your local race? For a local race this seems fine, I would definitely add at least 2 more vet classes though.
McG194 wrote:
Obviously I'm using a worst case scenario as an example. Anyone in business knows you should always think worst case, just ask the guys at Mav...
Obviously I'm using a worst case scenario as an example. Anyone in business knows you should always think worst case, just ask the guys at Mav TV.

Any kid running B class at LL's would be eligible for that class and they don't belong on the track with a newbie.
davis224 wrote:
Then you run into every bike size/age group needing 3 skill levels, and you end up where we are now. It's difficult to find the balance...
Then you run into every bike size/age group needing 3 skill levels, and you end up where we are now. It's difficult to find the balance and I don't know if there's a one size fits all format for all areas.
What exactly is wrong where we are now? Yeah the day can be long but there are ways around that. 2 day program maybe vets Saturday and kids Sunday. Old guys Saturday because we need a day to recover before work Monday. lol

If I'm a track promotor I don't want to exclude anyone I want everyone to feel comfortable in the group they are in. I also want maximum ride time. If you usually have 20 guys signed up between 40 & 55 that want C class they can all be in the same class just different gate drops. Speed differential shouldn't be so great that anyone is a danger, same goes for B and A classes. Nobody really cares about the trophy, it's just having guys to race with and being as safe as we can be.
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If you’re tired of sitting around all day or three classes costing too much just do practice days it’s pretty simple.
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If you’re tired of sitting around all day or three classes costing too much just do practice days it’s pretty simple.
Why do you think more people go to practice days than race? The market is always right and it always speaks loudly. If a promotor chooses not to hear it that's his fault, I think people would rather race, they are just forced to do practice days because the series or format they want doesn't exist.
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I went by a semi new local track to watch some racing on the spur of the moment a few weeks ago. turns out , Chad Reed and Cooper Webb were actually there having some fun. The facility looked to have improved a great deal since I had been there last. Looked like fun! so I started thinking, maybe I need to race some moto for the first time in many years!!

Then I wandered over to the place where the results were being posted and noticed that there were 25 (!!!) classes racing that day. I thought about the hours and hours of baking in the sun for a few motos and immediately knew I would stick to 2 hour off road races....
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If your family races it’s fun.
There was 29 classes this weekend at our race.
My son was race 5, 12
Other son race 17
Wife race 23
My race 15.

Throw in a few of my buddies racing other classes that I want to watch and it’s a pretty fast and fun night.
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McG194 wrote:
Why do you think more people go to practice days than race? The market is always right and it always speaks loudly. If a promotor chooses...
Why do you think more people go to practice days than race? The market is always right and it always speaks loudly. If a promotor chooses not to hear it that's his fault, I think people would rather race, they are just forced to do practice days because the series or format they want doesn't exist.
Exactly the conclusion I came to at the end of 2019. Racing is super fun don’t get me wrong but where I’m at in life it just makes much more sense to hit practice days. I never had a huge competitive side to me either though I just like to hit some jumps and rail some berms
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Agree too many classes but local race had good turnout the other day [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/07/11/559083/s1200_A5242E49_8038_41CD_ACDC_11B54D8E2076.jpg[/img]
Agree too many classes but local race had good turnout the other day
526 wrote:
The C Classes at this track used to have 3 Gates of riders in the 2000s as you can tell by the turnout in the 50...
The C Classes at this track used to have 3 Gates of riders in the 2000s as you can tell by the turnout in the 50 class most of them still race LOLOL
4 full gates of c in 98. Same yr in 125 a at aztalan was the best race I ever saw and I went to quite a few 90,s natl,s , sx and ax. Tommy Hoffmaster spent the winter in Cal. He did the 1st free style at Vegas and he was on a full pc rm125. Eron Ezerins was on a all stock rm including the pipe. Eron won both motos but Tommy was all ovr him . They rarely separated by 4 ft. Retired pro,s race local races. There’s locals that can beat a 20th natl guy. There’s a lot of talent at local races and many styles of riders. I,ve seen riders win 125 c and move to 125 a very talented riders. Manufactures should hv a 25k bonus for a expert title. Then maybe expert classes would hv full gates like the 90,s. Local buisnesses would kick in more money. Then everyone racing local would want to move up. Instead of ovr paying some pro,s.
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Economics.

The people with money go golfing. They meet rich people there who buy them drinks and give them fat jobs. You vote to keep this going, as you, and blue-collar folks like you, struggle more and more.

Or maybe moto folks are just wussified. Who knows?
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As Hammer said above the promoters have their hands full making classes that give everyone a place to fit in vs being at the track until dark. Yes it’s a long day on race day but we still love it and support our series and local tracks! If the races dry up, the tracks dry up and they won’t be there for those practice days you do get more seat time.
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McG194 wrote:
Obviously I'm using a worst case scenario as an example. Anyone in business knows you should always think worst case, just ask the guys at Mav...
Obviously I'm using a worst case scenario as an example. Anyone in business knows you should always think worst case, just ask the guys at Mav TV.

Any kid running B class at LL's would be eligible for that class and they don't belong on the track with a newbie.
davis224 wrote:
Then you run into every bike size/age group needing 3 skill levels, and you end up where we are now. It's difficult to find the balance...
Then you run into every bike size/age group needing 3 skill levels, and you end up where we are now. It's difficult to find the balance and I don't know if there's a one size fits all format for all areas.
McG194 wrote:
What exactly is wrong where we are now? Yeah the day can be long but there are ways around that. 2 day program maybe vets Saturday...
What exactly is wrong where we are now? Yeah the day can be long but there are ways around that. 2 day program maybe vets Saturday and kids Sunday. Old guys Saturday because we need a day to recover before work Monday. lol

If I'm a track promotor I don't want to exclude anyone I want everyone to feel comfortable in the group they are in. I also want maximum ride time. If you usually have 20 guys signed up between 40 & 55 that want C class they can all be in the same class just different gate drops. Speed differential shouldn't be so great that anyone is a danger, same goes for B and A classes. Nobody really cares about the trophy, it's just having guys to race with and being as safe as we can be.
Promoters are going to want to incur (2) days of overhead if the races can be ran in (1) day. I love the idea, but i don't see a split program working over (2) days. A local track here has ran age classes in the morning, and A,B,C classes in the afternoon in the past... This has been successful, but it has it's flaws as well. The Dad runs 50+ in the morning, but Jr. can't run 125 A until the afternoon. They would have been there all day in the old format anyway, so it is, what it is...
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PRM31 wrote:
How about: 65 B 65 A 85 B 85 A 250 B 250 A 450 B 450 A Vet 35+ 2 motos for each. Adjust as...
How about:
65 B
65 A
85 B
85 A
250 B
250 A
450 B
450 A
Vet 35+

2 motos for each.

Adjust as demand dictates.
McG194 wrote:
Quite possibly the worst class line up ever proposed. So, the 20-year-old kid who finally moved out of his parents' house and could buy and race...
Quite possibly the worst class line up ever proposed.

So, the 20-year-old kid who finally moved out of his parents' house and could buy and race the bike mom never let him should race 250B with Danger Boy? The 54-year-old dude (Me) should be on the track with a 35-year-old A rider?

I hope you have a lot of ambulances at your track because it will be carnage. Hell, I may bring my own toe tag to save the guys some time.
davis224 wrote:
Is danger boy racing at your local race? For a local race this seems fine, I would definitely add at least 2 more vet classes though.
Definitely need C classes too. Or maybe just one or two open big bike beginner classes to move the beginners out of the C classes if you're going to group them with B's.
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The track promoters have NO incentive to run a shorter program, the longer they take the more the people will decide we need to spend the night or weekend and boom the promoters can collect for two days of camping. The racers want shorter days and the promoters I don't believe want shorter days so the turnout will continue to dwindle. IMO
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