If a company like FELD ran the Nationals would it be growing instead of slowly dying?

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The nationals have been run by the same individuals for decades. During that time it has not improved or grown. When a professional company like FELD took over Supercross things improved. Is it time for the nationals to be run by someone else? Outdoor motocross seems to have some potential for growth as an industry. Yet, it wallows in obscurity decade after decade. The AMA needs to sell the rights to the nationals to someone else. Or, the future will be go to USA to be a professional supercross rider or go to Europe to be a professional motocross rider. I am not implying bad intentions by anyone. But, It is time for change. Whomever is running the nationals needs to hand the reins to someone else.
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What are your ideas to make it better?
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5/29/2022 9:12am
I thought the racing -event was Great on all levels. Even the track had great flow and looked fun. Lower the ticket prices maybe to get 30,000 spectators to add more energy to the race. The racers put on a great show.
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Something definitely needs to change. As a long time MX fan dating back to the early 70’s. It was sad to see the debacle that took place yesterday with the MavTvplus subscription. It’s 2022 & that shouldn’t have happened at the level it did.
I’m hoping they get it figured out & the sport does grow & become mainstream like NASCAR someday. I know it’s wishful thinking on my part, but it’s my passion for the sport coming through.
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They need to add some sort of emx element instead of the current amateur scene and make it a two day thing again. Prep the tracks better than they were last year. Make them wide.
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You don’t know what you are talking about.

“The nationals have been run by the same individuals for decades”- the AMA sold the commercial rights to the nationals in 2009.

https://www.roadracingworld.com/news/updated-ama-sells-commercial-right…

Furthermore, some of the “legacy” tracks that have been around since the 1970’s have all transitioned ownership - that includes Red Bud, Washougal and Unadilla. If you think the folks running those tracks don’t care about motocross or do not represent the best interests of the sport, you are dead wrong.

Instead of throwing shade with vague statements that are simply not true, how about instead you throw out some good ideas or suggestions?
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5/29/2022 9:23am
jvd2234 wrote:
The nationals have been run by the same individuals for decades. During that time it has not improved or grown. When a professional company like FELD...
The nationals have been run by the same individuals for decades. During that time it has not improved or grown. When a professional company like FELD took over Supercross things improved. Is it time for the nationals to be run by someone else? Outdoor motocross seems to have some potential for growth as an industry. Yet, it wallows in obscurity decade after decade. The AMA needs to sell the rights to the nationals to someone else. Or, the future will be go to USA to be a professional supercross rider or go to Europe to be a professional motocross rider. I am not implying bad intentions by anyone. But, It is time for change. Whomever is running the nationals needs to hand the reins to someone else.
Why dont you start over but first get some correct facts, you are wrong on most everything.
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If they really want to grow it, they have to put the races on YouTube or RedBullTV for free. The casual fan just doesn’t subscribe or pay for the races.

Look at MTB Downhill. Free on RedBullTV, great coverage, lots of viewers and outside sponsers.
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5/29/2022 10:00am Edited Date/Time 5/29/2022 10:01am
It was packed yesterday at Pala. Maybe its more about the live event for mxsports rather than the tv coverage.
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5/29/2022 10:10am Edited Date/Time 5/29/2022 10:14am
mxnick wrote:
You don’t know what you are talking about. “The nationals have been run by the same individuals for decades”- the AMA sold the commercial rights to...
You don’t know what you are talking about.

“The nationals have been run by the same individuals for decades”- the AMA sold the commercial rights to the nationals in 2009.

https://www.roadracingworld.com/news/updated-ama-sells-commercial-right…

Furthermore, some of the “legacy” tracks that have been around since the 1970’s have all transitioned ownership - that includes Red Bud, Washougal and Unadilla. If you think the folks running those tracks don’t care about motocross or do not represent the best interests of the sport, you are dead wrong.

Instead of throwing shade with vague statements that are simply not true, how about instead you throw out some good ideas or suggestions?


The biggest problems facing our sport are Sociological.

Too many other options for limited disposable income, a swing away from risky sports that require some practice and time to excel, and environmental concerns that will have us riding bicycles everywhere,

then we have borderline unrealistic expectations. 75% of the posts after the opening race of the series are bitching about paying $7/month for live coverage.

People in the past paid that for a 5 minute call to a 900 number to get delayed results read to them in a recording.

Sure it wasn't perfect, but it was live, and they had technical issues that they did try to adjust.

Another good example would be somebody posting about a class action lawsuit. Yeah, getting lawyers involved so whiners can get a $5 coupon off an annual MAVTV subscription while a law firm gets millions will certainly help.

But nothing would make the future of our sport look brighter then some organization, let's call them Youngcreek, take over and revitalize us moto with 20 rider gates. no purse, and venues that make you scratch your head.

Better the devil we know
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5/29/2022 10:28am Edited Date/Time 5/29/2022 10:29am
MX is a niche sport. It always has been, and it always will be one. Not everyone gets it. It is what it is. And that's why I like it, and that's why I initially liked it.

Why is it dying? Supercross killed it. The youngsters like the Supercross. Fly in, fly out, race 20 minutes, cash a big check and go home.

Who wants to go out in the country where it's hot, ride 2 35 minute motos for less money.

Supercross, the side show, Supercross killed motocross. Ironic isn't it.

As for MAVTV, all you old timers saying back in my day we had to wait for the postman to bring Cycle News. Well, it's 2022, there's zero reason for a video stream not to be working. And the $7 bucks, Sure' it's not a lot of money, but we did pay for a service, so are we asking too much for that service to be delivered?

As far as attending a live outdoor event. I have no problem with MXSPorts and their product. They put on a good show.
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I don’t get what the problem is. I attended the race and was amazed at how well things go in a very difficult setting. Hundreds of staff that were obviously trained to do things the right way. Motos that ran flawlessly and on time to the minute. A outstanding venue, tons of vendors, great food/beverage choices, pit access, plenty of amazing options to upgrade your ticket. The only drawback I can see is getting out. But that will never change at any large sporting event held out n the country with 2 lane roads. I’ve been sitting in lines at GP’s, Trans Ams and Nationals since 1972. As far as tv coverage? Don’t eat as many Big Macs and spend a few bucks on a cable package that carries Mav TV. I got home from the races and watched the motos on tape and enjoyed the coverage. People complaining about commercials obviously do not know simple economics. Commercials are what pays for any tv show we watch.
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5/29/2022 10:43am
I bought the subscription, watched qualifying, then decided to ride with some friends (bar hopping on my Harley). Every place we went had the race showing on at least 1 TV, which I would say is good and better then other seasons. however I noticed this morning that my MAVtv app is suddenly not working, so they do have some bugs to work out.

I was not a fan of peacock, had problems all season with it, and when I would be out and about it was hard to find the supercross race on TV (cable).
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#434 wrote:
If they really want to grow it, they have to put the races on YouTube or RedBullTV for free. The casual fan just doesn’t subscribe or...
If they really want to grow it, they have to put the races on YouTube or RedBullTV for free. The casual fan just doesn’t subscribe or pay for the races.

Look at MTB Downhill. Free on RedBullTV, great coverage, lots of viewers and outside sponsers.
The casual fan can watch highlights figure out if they like it. And if the do pay $7
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20’s me loved everything about spending a weekend in a Michigan field watching guys do stuff on dirt bikes that I dreamed I could do all my life.

40’s me only likes the idea of doing the same thing, but the reality is, I like watching the racing on my big tv and not spending a shit load of money for an experience I know won’t be the same as it was when I didn’t get hungover after 2 beers.

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DC swingers won't like the proposal. Hell, nothing wrong at all, future is bright thanks to LL too.
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MX is a niche sport. It always has been, and it always will be one. Not everyone gets it. It is what it is. And that's...
MX is a niche sport. It always has been, and it always will be one. Not everyone gets it. It is what it is. And that's why I like it, and that's why I initially liked it.

Why is it dying? Supercross killed it. The youngsters like the Supercross. Fly in, fly out, race 20 minutes, cash a big check and go home.

Who wants to go out in the country where it's hot, ride 2 35 minute motos for less money.

Supercross, the side show, Supercross killed motocross. Ironic isn't it.

As for MAVTV, all you old timers saying back in my day we had to wait for the postman to bring Cycle News. Well, it's 2022, there's zero reason for a video stream not to be working. And the $7 bucks, Sure' it's not a lot of money, but we did pay for a service, so are we asking too much for that service to be delivered?

As far as attending a live outdoor event. I have no problem with MXSPorts and their product. They put on a good show.
So Motocross is dying because the same kids and vet riders that are racing Supercross are riding Nationals but they don't want to be riding the Nationals... Got it!
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5/29/2022 12:49pm
the rider numbers are still high, which is a good thing,

the breakdown of mavtv (which effected more than just MX this weekend) is a shitshow for sure, but live streaming it on youtube for everyone for free, was a good back up plan,
5/29/2022 1:01pm
Streaming through apps is certainly the future, but for now they still need a cable channel.
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They need more tracks around the country. Florida and Texas are huge mx states with no national. Mx Sports does a great job in my opinion.
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H4L wrote:
Something definitely needs to change. As a long time MX fan dating back to the early 70’s. It was sad to see the debacle that took...
Something definitely needs to change. As a long time MX fan dating back to the early 70’s. It was sad to see the debacle that took place yesterday with the MavTvplus subscription. It’s 2022 & that shouldn’t have happened at the level it did.
I’m hoping they get it figured out & the sport does grow & become mainstream like NASCAR someday. I know it’s wishful thinking on my part, but it’s my passion for the sport coming through.
You would hate the amount of change that would take place if it became popular.
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5/29/2022 1:51pm
soggy wrote:
You would hate the amount of change that would take place if it became popular.
Interested in hearing your thoughts ?
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5/29/2022 2:24pm Edited Date/Time 5/29/2022 3:15pm
#434 wrote:
If they really want to grow it, they have to put the races on YouTube or RedBullTV for free. The casual fan just doesn’t subscribe or...
If they really want to grow it, they have to put the races on YouTube or RedBullTV for free. The casual fan just doesn’t subscribe or pay for the races.

Look at MTB Downhill. Free on RedBullTV, great coverage, lots of viewers and outside sponsers.
Yep, and RedBull is no longer doing it after this year....Hmmmm. UCI will be using Discovery Sports starting next year, and guess what, it WILL NOT BE FREE to watch that. Red Bull has single handily put up millions for the content on their site, all using their marketing budget which is a monster. That would be cool for moto, but the casual fan is not going to Red Bull TV lol. You Tube sounds great! Oh wait, somebody has to pay for that production cost and crews. Yes, UFC did that but a couple cameras on two dudes in a ring is far different than a 3 mile long motocross track with things happening in different places for almost 40 minutes with no breaks.

With streaming becoming the primary direction, all the "free" content will be disappearing as companies have to be profitable. Somehow that is lost on so many people especially after the pandemic where so many companies kept paying people to sit at home with zero return.

Get a clue before posting some random BS.
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5/29/2022 2:26pm Edited Date/Time 5/29/2022 2:28pm
Streaming through apps is certainly the future, but for now they still need a cable channel.
Bro, cable TV has lost almost 40 million subscribers in the last 7 years and that will not stop. Why go that route? If not on a major network, using a "network" app is by far the best. Even SX was basically appeased other than a news network. Who is looking on CNBC for supercross??
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5/29/2022 3:04pm Edited Date/Time 5/29/2022 3:06pm
Well at least every cable and satellite provider caries it and you can watch it on an app. As opposed to MAVTV which is a sketchy app and only on like 3 services. And I stopped going to Thunder Valley on 85 degree days because they run out of water before the second 450 Moto every year. And every water line is 45 minutes long. These are not well run events for spectators or viewers
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5/29/2022 8:51pm
i feel like automated camera crews and drones will be the future. do we really need people to stand in a scissor lift with a camera to film?
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5/29/2022 9:02pm
The only thing killing the sport is $9000 4 stroke motorcycles that cost $1000 plus to rebuild. DC is doing a fantastic job.
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5/29/2022 9:28pm Edited Date/Time 5/30/2022 4:39pm
The Nationals are in a difficult situation because of Feld. If Feld understood that without motocross, there would be no Supercross that would be a start. The schedule has been the big problem as well as the lack of big tracks near populated areas. Because of that the sport of Motocross has its limitations. Once we all accept that then maybe things can move forward. The sport is much more of a grass roots type of sport that should be more about the week or a weekend. Camping, music, BBQ, and racing. Maybe consider low-cost tape delayed streaming to lower the costs? Honestly most of us ride on the weekends and don't want to watch it live racing during the day anyways. How about trying to have a week of racing? Vets for a couple days, amateurs for a couple of days, and then pros for the weekend? How about letting all of the riders use cameras but a copy can be given to Mx Sports after the race so that they can piece together clips of the Gopro footage to go along with the camera angles?

There are other ideas to make it lower cost but yet higher profits and much more social. I feel its free advertising having the riders' using cameras and producing their own vlogs. I do agree with others that we need to see FL and TX in the mix as well. With all that said I think a change is coming with this new World SX. We might end up seeing two different sports soon. Supercross and Nationals running at the same time. I know some riders will be lost to SX but remember bikes are sold to the followers of Motocross.
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5/29/2022 9:33pm
soggy wrote:
You would hate the amount of change that would take place if it became popular.
H4L wrote:
Interested in hearing your thoughts ?
Everything once it goes mainstream sucks. You would get even more commercials. Dumb filler segments, idiots like cooksey getting a seat at the table to play the Stephen A/ Skip Bayless role. It would not be what it is now.

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5/29/2022 10:04pm
Yep, and RedBull is no longer doing it after this year....Hmmmm. UCI will be using Discovery Sports starting next year, and guess what, it WILL NOT...
Yep, and RedBull is no longer doing it after this year....Hmmmm. UCI will be using Discovery Sports starting next year, and guess what, it WILL NOT BE FREE to watch that. Red Bull has single handily put up millions for the content on their site, all using their marketing budget which is a monster. That would be cool for moto, but the casual fan is not going to Red Bull TV lol. You Tube sounds great! Oh wait, somebody has to pay for that production cost and crews. Yes, UFC did that but a couple cameras on two dudes in a ring is far different than a 3 mile long motocross track with things happening in different places for almost 40 minutes with no breaks.

With streaming becoming the primary direction, all the "free" content will be disappearing as companies have to be profitable. Somehow that is lost on so many people especially after the pandemic where so many companies kept paying people to sit at home with zero return.

Get a clue before posting some random BS.
The irony of you telling someone to get a clue haha Comical
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Yep, and RedBull is no longer doing it after this year....Hmmmm. UCI will be using Discovery Sports starting next year, and guess what, it WILL NOT...
Yep, and RedBull is no longer doing it after this year....Hmmmm. UCI will be using Discovery Sports starting next year, and guess what, it WILL NOT BE FREE to watch that. Red Bull has single handily put up millions for the content on their site, all using their marketing budget which is a monster. That would be cool for moto, but the casual fan is not going to Red Bull TV lol. You Tube sounds great! Oh wait, somebody has to pay for that production cost and crews. Yes, UFC did that but a couple cameras on two dudes in a ring is far different than a 3 mile long motocross track with things happening in different places for almost 40 minutes with no breaks.

With streaming becoming the primary direction, all the "free" content will be disappearing as companies have to be profitable. Somehow that is lost on so many people especially after the pandemic where so many companies kept paying people to sit at home with zero return.

Get a clue before posting some random BS.
The irony of you telling someone to get a clue haha Comical
Yep, and I'll say the same to you bro. Keep the pitchforks high and the conspiracy theory coming. Maybe you should pick another sport to watch. Perhaps badminton?
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