World SX - AC9 - CW2??

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So what do you think the pro’s and con’s are?

They’re missing the start of the outdoors anyway, why not if you’re healed in time go race the world SX. It’ll be good training prep for US SX. Increase your fan base to new audiences. Earn some extra cash. And maybe even earn a title?

For me it’s a no brainier. The risk just being another injury during the series but you can just as easily get injured at the test track?
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Biggest issue would be how it fits in with their current employers and sponsors
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Go listen to Webb on Monday's pulp show.
A factory rider isn't going to be moving over to that series.
After they retire from AMA racing, maybe.
Marv, Brayton, private teams, will be the ones looking to do this.

You're not getting factory racers in the prime of their careers.
Not gonna happen.

And it's not about the injury.
But where you'll be stuck receiving treatment.
I'm sure Weston would have rather been home in the states when he destroyed his facial bones and eye.
And Roczen.....
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5/11/2022 7:00am
Go listen to Webb on Monday's pulp show. A factory rider isn't going to be moving over to that series. After they retire from AMA racing...
Go listen to Webb on Monday's pulp show.
A factory rider isn't going to be moving over to that series.
After they retire from AMA racing, maybe.
Marv, Brayton, private teams, will be the ones looking to do this.

You're not getting factory racers in the prime of their careers.
Not gonna happen.

And it's not about the injury.
But where you'll be stuck receiving treatment.
I'm sure Weston would have rather been home in the states when he destroyed his facial bones and eye.
And Roczen.....
Lol. It's not like they are racing in Haiti...
If you don't want to compete outside of your hometown you better don't become a professional athlete. It's the same thing for any MotoGP rider, F1, Olympics, etc.
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CPR wrote:
Biggest issue would be how it fits in with their current employers and sponsors
Yeaa that is understandable but it could be sold to sponsors as they get no value out of the rider at the test track. Or they can get value out of him at world SX and potentially more value at ama sx due to improved results..
Maybe not this year but in years to come I think American riders will start off my doing world sx if injured for outdoors and slowly over time people will do world sx over outdoors if they feel they’re indoor specialists.
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Go listen to Webb on Monday's pulp show. A factory rider isn't going to be moving over to that series. After they retire from AMA racing...
Go listen to Webb on Monday's pulp show.
A factory rider isn't going to be moving over to that series.
After they retire from AMA racing, maybe.
Marv, Brayton, private teams, will be the ones looking to do this.

You're not getting factory racers in the prime of their careers.
Not gonna happen.

And it's not about the injury.
But where you'll be stuck receiving treatment.
I'm sure Weston would have rather been home in the states when he destroyed his facial bones and eye.
And Roczen.....
I'm pretty sure a lot of French riders have gone back to France to get surgeries/treatment... like someone else said, it's not like they're going to war torn third world regions.

But on the original topic, you can't just show up on any bike/team to this series. Your team has to have paid for a spot, and I believe they've said applications are closed for teams this year. Other than that, it does make sense for a guy like Adam to get some racing in.
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You're not going to see Webb or AC or any other top factory rider race this series...they are contracted to race in the US and why would you want to go race in a series that will more than likely hold the majority of their race in arenacross sized venues...plus they are already racing in the most prestigious SX series in the world...
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Also that series doesn’t work the same way it does here in the states you can’t just show up and race. There’s an alotted number of teams predetermined before the season starts and each team must field 4 riders, 2 450 guys and two 250 guys. You can’t just show up and race and I’m fairly (very) certain factory Kawi and factory Ktm aren’t fielding teams in that series
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crusty_xx wrote:
Lol. It's not like they are racing in Haiti... If you don't want to compete outside of your hometown you better don't become a professional athlete...
Lol. It's not like they are racing in Haiti...
If you don't want to compete outside of your hometown you better don't become a professional athlete. It's the same thing for any MotoGP rider, F1, Olympics, etc.
So anyone racing either of the AMA series isn’t a professional athlete? Racing pro in America has never entailed racing all over the globe for half the year.

How can you say that when the best professional SX racers live in the US and race here nationally. SX isn’t the Olympics, F1 or MotoGP. It’s much more niche.

“Better don’t become a pro athlete unless you want to race every series that pops up.”
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crusty_xx wrote:
Lol. It's not like they are racing in Haiti... If you don't want to compete outside of your hometown you better don't become a professional athlete...
Lol. It's not like they are racing in Haiti...
If you don't want to compete outside of your hometown you better don't become a professional athlete. It's the same thing for any MotoGP rider, F1, Olympics, etc.
Yeah but F1 etc don’t have the premiere competition in one Country!
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Go listen to Webb on Monday's pulp show. A factory rider isn't going to be moving over to that series. After they retire from AMA racing...
Go listen to Webb on Monday's pulp show.
A factory rider isn't going to be moving over to that series.
After they retire from AMA racing, maybe.
Marv, Brayton, private teams, will be the ones looking to do this.

You're not getting factory racers in the prime of their careers.
Not gonna happen.

And it's not about the injury.
But where you'll be stuck receiving treatment.
I'm sure Weston would have rather been home in the states when he destroyed his facial bones and eye.
And Roczen.....
they would probably receive better health care in some of these other countries than their own.. lmao
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crusty_xx wrote:
Lol. It's not like they are racing in Haiti... If you don't want to compete outside of your hometown you better don't become a professional athlete...
Lol. It's not like they are racing in Haiti...
If you don't want to compete outside of your hometown you better don't become a professional athlete. It's the same thing for any MotoGP rider, F1, Olympics, etc.
Yeah but F1 etc don’t have the premiere competition in one Country!
A true world championship has the best competitors in the world regardless of where the races are held….how can it be a true world championship if the all the best SX riders race in the US?
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DonM wrote:
A true world championship has the best competitors in the world regardless of where the races are held….how can it be a true world championship if...
A true world championship has the best competitors in the world regardless of where the races are held….how can it be a true world championship if the all the best SX riders race in the US?
Yeah we get it, you are hardcore American. Go somewhere else to be a 13 y/o kid with this behavior.

Back to OP, would be cool to see Adam contending, in the case of an injury, I just see it as a prelude of what eventually would have happened if he raced the AMA SX, at this point with him is not an "if" he crashes, but a "when".
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I don’t see either of their teams letting them go

Kawi has been anti racing overseas for a while and ktm is not supporting the series either
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It is not even remotely simple for factory Kawi (or any team) to send AC to these races across the world. The logistics and cost are insane for likely minimal return......not to mention the risk of injury when the series they care about starts a few months later. It's just like the other off season racers. 9 out of 10 of those guys that do go are not with team support, They bring suspension and bars etc. and ride a bike provided by a local team or dealer.
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These guys are lucky to race 29 times a year. Adding another 6-8 races is not happening.
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mb60 wrote:
These guys are lucky to race 29 times a year. Adding another 6-8 races is not happening.
Yea but if you’re out for outdoors anyway which is my point..
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It is not even remotely simple for factory Kawi (or any team) to send AC to these races across the world. The logistics and cost are...
It is not even remotely simple for factory Kawi (or any team) to send AC to these races across the world. The logistics and cost are insane for likely minimal return......not to mention the risk of injury when the series they care about starts a few months later. It's just like the other off season racers. 9 out of 10 of those guys that do go are not with team support, They bring suspension and bars etc. and ride a bike provided by a local team or dealer.
logistics are covered by the organization. SX Global is the future. Everyones complaining about FELD this, FELD that, blablabla and when a real organization comes up with ideas we have always wanted to see FELD do, then people say this new thing is bullshit
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DonM wrote:
A true world championship has the best competitors in the world regardless of where the races are held….how can it be a true world championship if...
A true world championship has the best competitors in the world regardless of where the races are held….how can it be a true world championship if the all the best SX riders race in the US?
FerCzD wrote:
Yeah we get it, you are hardcore American. Go somewhere else to be a 13 y/o kid with this behavior. Back to OP, would be cool...
Yeah we get it, you are hardcore American. Go somewhere else to be a 13 y/o kid with this behavior.

Back to OP, would be cool to see Adam contending, in the case of an injury, I just see it as a prelude of what eventually would have happened if he raced the AMA SX, at this point with him is not an "if" he crashes, but a "when".
Actually you don't get it....The majority of the top racers won't be racing it...
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this series will be for young euros to race old americans and better their sx technique.
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crusty_xx wrote:
Lol. It's not like they are racing in Haiti... If you don't want to compete outside of your hometown you better don't become a professional athlete...
Lol. It's not like they are racing in Haiti...
If you don't want to compete outside of your hometown you better don't become a professional athlete. It's the same thing for any MotoGP rider, F1, Olympics, etc.
aeffertz wrote:
So anyone racing either of the AMA series isn’t a professional athlete? Racing pro in America has never entailed racing all over the globe for half...
So anyone racing either of the AMA series isn’t a professional athlete? Racing pro in America has never entailed racing all over the globe for half the year.

How can you say that when the best professional SX racers live in the US and race here nationally. SX isn’t the Olympics, F1 or MotoGP. It’s much more niche.

“Better don’t become a pro athlete unless you want to race every series that pops up.”
I don't believe you can draw a reverse conclusion out of any statement and make it an argument.

I have never heard someone say he doesn't want to race MXdN in Belgium or France because what if he gets hurt there. Equally I don't think someone should decline an opportunity that he would otherwise take just because he doesn't want to be treated in the UK or Canada.
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crusty_xx wrote:
I don't believe you can draw a reverse conclusion out of any statement and make it an argument. I have never heard someone say he doesn't...
I don't believe you can draw a reverse conclusion out of any statement and make it an argument.

I have never heard someone say he doesn't want to race MXdN in Belgium or France because what if he gets hurt there. Equally I don't think someone should decline an opportunity that he would otherwise take just because he doesn't want to be treated in the UK or Canada.
My comment was made based on this wonderful sentence:

“If you don't want to compete outside of your hometown you better don't become a professional athlete.”

I guess I was thinking you meant that they should be expected to travel the world for most of the year if they want to be a professional athlete in this sport.
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Sacko wrote:
Also that series doesn’t work the same way it does here in the states you can’t just show up and race. There’s an alotted number of...
Also that series doesn’t work the same way it does here in the states you can’t just show up and race. There’s an alotted number of teams predetermined before the season starts and each team must field 4 riders, 2 450 guys and two 250 guys. You can’t just show up and race and I’m fairly (very) certain factory Kawi and factory Ktm aren’t fielding teams in that series
I have to imagine if a top SX racer like Webb or Cianciarulo wanted to race, they'd find a way to get them in.
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It is not even remotely simple for factory Kawi (or any team) to send AC to these races across the world. The logistics and cost are...
It is not even remotely simple for factory Kawi (or any team) to send AC to these races across the world. The logistics and cost are insane for likely minimal return......not to mention the risk of injury when the series they care about starts a few months later. It's just like the other off season racers. 9 out of 10 of those guys that do go are not with team support, They bring suspension and bars etc. and ride a bike provided by a local team or dealer.
thepelican wrote:
logistics are covered by the organization. SX Global is the future. Everyones complaining about FELD this, FELD that, blablabla and when a real organization comes up...
logistics are covered by the organization. SX Global is the future. Everyones complaining about FELD this, FELD that, blablabla and when a real organization comes up with ideas we have always wanted to see FELD do, then people say this new thing is bullshit
Where did I say the "new thing" is bullshit or complain about Feld? What i said is the factory teams are not going to be interested in this. They are committed to the US Series, This series will be private teams bringing the required 4 riders and it will be a sideshow at best. Might be great, but still a sideshow similar to arena cross, just in Zimbabwe.

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I’d say this first season as it’s short and doesn’t clash with AMA will be well and truly worth it for an AC9 or CW2 rider.
Next year when it clashes not so much.
Either way I’m sure all you blokes that bash the World Series will be tuning into watch it like the rest of us come September.
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Sacko wrote:
Also that series doesn’t work the same way it does here in the states you can’t just show up and race. There’s an alotted number of...
Also that series doesn’t work the same way it does here in the states you can’t just show up and race. There’s an alotted number of teams predetermined before the season starts and each team must field 4 riders, 2 450 guys and two 250 guys. You can’t just show up and race and I’m fairly (very) certain factory Kawi and factory Ktm aren’t fielding teams in that series
RichieW13 wrote:
I have to imagine if a top SX racer like Webb or Cianciarulo wanted to race, they'd find a way to get them in.
not while taking big money from a team that races other series,
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Go listen to Webb on Monday's pulp show. A factory rider isn't going to be moving over to that series. After they retire from AMA racing...
Go listen to Webb on Monday's pulp show.
A factory rider isn't going to be moving over to that series.
After they retire from AMA racing, maybe.
Marv, Brayton, private teams, will be the ones looking to do this.

You're not getting factory racers in the prime of their careers.
Not gonna happen.

And it's not about the injury.
But where you'll be stuck receiving treatment.
I'm sure Weston would have rather been home in the states when he destroyed his facial bones and eye.
And Roczen.....
davis224 wrote:
I'm pretty sure a lot of French riders have gone back to France to get surgeries/treatment... like someone else said, it's not like they're going to...
I'm pretty sure a lot of French riders have gone back to France to get surgeries/treatment... like someone else said, it's not like they're going to war torn third world regions.

But on the original topic, you can't just show up on any bike/team to this series. Your team has to have paid for a spot, and I believe they've said applications are closed for teams this year. Other than that, it does make sense for a guy like Adam to get some racing in.
This has nothing to do with why Webb said factory racers won’t go. You good need to listen to what Webb said if your going to pontificate on it.
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Go listen to Webb on Monday's pulp show. A factory rider isn't going to be moving over to that series. After they retire from AMA racing...
Go listen to Webb on Monday's pulp show.
A factory rider isn't going to be moving over to that series.
After they retire from AMA racing, maybe.
Marv, Brayton, private teams, will be the ones looking to do this.

You're not getting factory racers in the prime of their careers.
Not gonna happen.

And it's not about the injury.
But where you'll be stuck receiving treatment.
I'm sure Weston would have rather been home in the states when he destroyed his facial bones and eye.
And Roczen.....
davis224 wrote:
I'm pretty sure a lot of French riders have gone back to France to get surgeries/treatment... like someone else said, it's not like they're going to...
I'm pretty sure a lot of French riders have gone back to France to get surgeries/treatment... like someone else said, it's not like they're going to war torn third world regions.

But on the original topic, you can't just show up on any bike/team to this series. Your team has to have paid for a spot, and I believe they've said applications are closed for teams this year. Other than that, it does make sense for a guy like Adam to get some racing in.
soggy wrote:
This has nothing to do with why Webb said factory racers won’t go. You good need to listen to what Webb said if your going to...
This has nothing to do with why Webb said factory racers won’t go. You good need to listen to what Webb said if your going to pontificate on it.
Fair enough, I haven't made it through Pulp yet
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crusty_xx wrote:
Lol. It's not like they are racing in Haiti... If you don't want to compete outside of your hometown you better don't become a professional athlete...
Lol. It's not like they are racing in Haiti...
If you don't want to compete outside of your hometown you better don't become a professional athlete. It's the same thing for any MotoGP rider, F1, Olympics, etc.
Um, they knew what they signed up for American Motocross and Supercross. That’s what they trained ther whole life for, not some fly by the seat of your pants shit show that will probably be this years World SX. I get that everyone outside of the USA wants to see these guys ride SX but no it ain’t what they signed up for nor what there paid to do currently.
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this series will be for young euros to race old americans and better their sx technique.
Most likely. Should still be fun to watch but I don’t see any top Supercross racers joining in. Like, literally none. Good chance for some older guys to try and make a buck.
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Sacko wrote:
Also that series doesn’t work the same way it does here in the states you can’t just show up and race. There’s an alotted number of...
Also that series doesn’t work the same way it does here in the states you can’t just show up and race. There’s an alotted number of teams predetermined before the season starts and each team must field 4 riders, 2 450 guys and two 250 guys. You can’t just show up and race and I’m fairly (very) certain factory Kawi and factory Ktm aren’t fielding teams in that series
RichieW13 wrote:
I have to imagine if a top SX racer like Webb or Cianciarulo wanted to race, they'd find a way to get them in.
scott_nz wrote:
not while taking big money from a team that races other series,
I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

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