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People that want to use it are just going to put it in a generic container.
But yeah, let's just pass another rule that either causes a huge expense to enforce, or is unenforceable.
Let's make drugs, vaping, and teenage drinking illegal too.
Haven't spent a lot of time researching this. Jason has researched something though, but not sure it was thorough.
Aren't two strokes the only thing that really gains any advantage from lead in eliminating detonation?
Why would jet fuel contain lead? It is basically a high grade diesel fuel. Do jets detonate?
Aviation gasoline is a completely different matter though, right? It would only be used in prop aircaft, right?
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A guy that tests race fuels and knows how much Unleaded Fuel is used in this sport.
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100LL=aviation fuel for piston engines. LL stands for Low Lead, which is a reference to the earlier leaded AVgas, 135/145 (I think that was the name), which was higher in lead. 100LL still has plenty of lead and is currently under efforts to phase it out for Unleaded options.
Jet A=Jet fuel. It is very similar to kerosene and is nothing like 100LL. If you run it in your piston airplane, you’ll quickly find out how different, although you probably won’t be around to tell us anymore.
If you’re under the age of about 35, chances are you’ve probably never ever seen a leaded pump at the gas station. And for good reason. Now we know that leaded gas poses health and environmental risks, which is why it was phased out. But before the 1970s, just about every car on the road in America was powered by it.
So why was lead in there in the first place? It’s complicated, and at the time, it was about innovation.
At the outset of the 1920s, America was beginning its torrid love affair with the automobile. And as auto manufacturers looked for ways to squeeze power and performance out of their thundering 26 horsepower engines, researchers turned their attention to the contents of their fuel tank for inspiration. Engines back then had problems with knocking: a randomly occurring uncontrolled combustion that negatively affected performance as much as it unnerved drivers. The cause? Low-quality gasoline. Back in the 1920s, gasoline had an octane rating of between 40 and 60 – a far cry from today’s 87 – making it way more volatile in the confines of an internal combustion engine and far less consistent in performance.
The simple answer was that automobiles needed to improve the octane rating of gasoline which could be done by either refining the gas further (more expensive) or by identifying the right set of additives (way cheaper). So, they call in the guys in lab coats, who do experiments with things like hydrocarbon chains, compression variables, and auto ignition temperatures (you were paying attention in science class, right?) While a number of different additives were considered (including Ethanol, which was not in abundant supply at the time), a complicated little compound called tetraethyl-lead won out, primarily due to cost, availability and the persuasiveness of the people who developed it. By 1963 “Ethyl” (as it was nicknamed) and other lead-based anti-knock agents were present in 98% of the US gasoline supply.
For nearly half a century of auto culture, leaded gas ruled the American road, keeping octane ratings up and engine knock to a minimum. Then on November 28, 1973, the EPA required a nationwide phase-out of lead in all grades of gasoline, which not only helped reduce a growing public health risk, but also challenged the American auto industry to innovate. The result was better refining processes, more environmentally-friendly additives and the big one: the catalytic converter. Even though leaded gas is still used in some racing circuits and in private aviation today, it represents a minuscule portion of gasoline used today. Which is a really good thing.
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As far as exhausts pumping out poison at a club day, it’s probably about 1% of the bikes with lead and 99% with benzene. But yeah sure, let’s cry about the lead.
Then they’ll say the magnetic field causes infertility, and we will do this all over again
The comment about drugs, vaping, and teen drinking followed a sentence about unenforceable or inaffective laws. I know they are all illegal already.
It was kind of meant to point out that just because you make a rule, or pass a law doesn't mean that the behavior will stop.
I guess I could have made the point a better way.
If leaded fuel is banned from pro races, why in the world should it be allowed at local tracks?
I value my brain, and my friends' brains.
Granted, it's a small amount, but if it's unnecessary, let's get rid of it. I doubt seriously that only 1% run race fuel.
If pros run unleaded race fuel with their 60+ HP bikes, then leaded fuel is unnecessary.
If tracks state that leaded fuel is not allowed, some people are going to use it anyway, but it will reduce usage.
If fuel can be contested at local races (at cost to the contester unless lead is found), then usage will be reduced even more.
The more demand is reduced, the more likely race fuel vendors will reformulate without lead, and the problem will go away.
If the amount of benzene in unleaded fuel is more dangerous than the amount of lead in leaded fuel, then we have another problem to deal with.
I'm going to continue to race/ride at local tracks regardless (unless everyone starts running leaded fuel), but I much prefer that lead is banned, period.
That is all.
It’s not specifically races that are a concern. It’s more that, say, a kid with a built bike is running C12 several times a week for a long period of time. You’re handling leaded gas, possibly spilling it on yourself occasionally, and breathing it in when you warm up the bike. I’ve heard plenty of people talk about liking the smell of C12 and 927. If you’re smelling it you’re breathing it.
Caring about health is for wussies.
But, without the brain damage from ingesting lead, who would buy expensive race gas that gives no advantage because everyone runs it?
“Children can suffer substantial and long-lasting health effects from even low levels of lead in the blood, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has concluded that there are no safe blood lead levels in children.”
The idea that you shouldn’t worry about the lead in race gas because airplanes pollute more is about as dumb an idea as you could have.
https://paloaltoonline.com/news/2021/08/06/new-study-finds-local-airpor…
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