Can we get a top US racer to MXGP?

Kaaden'sTheory 4/21/2022 6:38am
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Have you ever really thought about how big of a pain in the ass it would be to race MXGP? Just think about the time for...
Have you ever really thought about how big of a pain in the ass it would be to race MXGP? Just think about the time for air travel. Even flying first class everywhere would eventually not be fun. Just think of going through security and customs to and from the locations around the world. Staying in hotels more than your own bed. Constantly having to get used to the local time and cuisine.

What if you get injured? Even when Weston Pieck was injured in Paris, which I would assume has excellent modern healthcare, it was a difficult experience for him with the language barrier and then having to fly 7-9 hours back home after he got out of the hospital.

I think the travel alone would be horrendous.

Brad Lackey was willing to live behind the Iron Curtain in a cabin with no electricity or running water and work weekdays at the CZ factory. Yep modern travel is a deal breaker.....
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If someone is a "top American" rider, then they are winning or doing very well in the supercross and mx series here. With that said, they are making a lot of money and thus there is zero reason for them to go race the GPs..Why leave your home, go to a foreign land, and race a series where you're at a disadvantage? A very tough series where they would need at least a season or two just to be a contender for the title. There's zero logic in it unless they were guaranteed a LOT of money to do it. Even then, they would have to want to do it.
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If someone is a "top American" rider, then they are winning or doing very well in the supercross and mx series here. With that said, they are making a lot of money and thus there is zero reason for them to go race the GPs..Why leave your home, go to a foreign land, and race a series where you're at a disadvantage? A very tough series where they would need at least a season or two just to be a contender for the title. There's zero logic in it unless they were guaranteed a LOT of money to do it. Even then, they would have to want to do it.
UpTiTe 4/21/2022 8:02am
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I was told.
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mxb2 wrote:
Yea. I was also. But its top secret lol. . yea. Mmmm. Ok.
So you do get it, I was thinking you didn’t.

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mxb2 wrote:
Yea. I was also. But its top secret lol. . yea. Mmmm. Ok.
UpTiTe wrote:
So you do get it, I was thinking you didn’t.
Sarcasm,. Why post. I got info, if you dont plan on posting the info. We all can say that.
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Ranman68 wrote:
If someone is a "top American" rider, then they are winning or doing very well in the supercross and mx series here. With that said, they...
If someone is a "top American" rider, then they are winning or doing very well in the supercross and mx series here. With that said, they are making a lot of money and thus there is zero reason for them to go race the GPs..Why leave your home, go to a foreign land, and race a series where you're at a disadvantage? A very tough series where they would need at least a season or two just to be a contender for the title. There's zero logic in it unless they were guaranteed a LOT of money to do it. Even then, they would have to want to do it.
Because money can’t buy a world champion.

It seems the pride in representing ones country on a global scale is getting lost in America.

I don’t believe it’s really down to earning potential, there is huge earning potential for a US world champion.

I think it’s there isn’t a US rider that has the self belief required to do it.

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Ranman68 wrote:
If someone is a "top American" rider, then they are winning or doing very well in the supercross and mx series here. With that said, they...
If someone is a "top American" rider, then they are winning or doing very well in the supercross and mx series here. With that said, they are making a lot of money and thus there is zero reason for them to go race the GPs..Why leave your home, go to a foreign land, and race a series where you're at a disadvantage? A very tough series where they would need at least a season or two just to be a contender for the title. There's zero logic in it unless they were guaranteed a LOT of money to do it. Even then, they would have to want to do it.
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Because money can’t buy a world champion. It seems the pride in representing ones country on a global scale is getting lost in America. I don’t...
Because money can’t buy a world champion.

It seems the pride in representing ones country on a global scale is getting lost in America.

I don’t believe it’s really down to earning potential, there is huge earning potential for a US world champion.

I think it’s there isn’t a US rider that has the self belief required to do it.

I don't think it has anything to do with self belief. Like I said before , becoming a world motocross champion doesn't mean much to them . It's not their goal .
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UpTiTe 4/21/2022 9:26am
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Yea. I was also. But its top secret lol. . yea. Mmmm. Ok.
UpTiTe wrote:
So you do get it, I was thinking you didn’t.
mxb2 wrote:
Sarcasm,. Why post. I got info, if you dont plan on posting the info. We all can say that.
What info do you want?
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UpTiTe wrote:
So you do get it, I was thinking you didn’t.
mxb2 wrote:
Sarcasm,. Why post. I got info, if you dont plan on posting the info. We all can say that.
UpTiTe wrote:
What info do you want?
You said you had the salary breakdowns. Mxgp. Sx, mx.
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UpTiTe 4/21/2022 10:08am
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mxb2 wrote:
Sarcasm,. Why post. I got info, if you dont plan on posting the info. We all can say that.
UpTiTe wrote:
What info do you want?
mxb2 wrote:
You said you had the salary breakdowns. Mxgp. Sx, mx.
I never said I had the salary breakdown. I said the pay is close and the bonuses are the same. The top GP guys make just as much as the top supercross guys.

The top salaries are both 1.5-2.5 depending on the guy. Hondas top GP guy is at 1.8

Win bonus for both is 100-125k depending on the guy.

Championship bonus is 1-1.2 million.

Mid level guy in the US, 400-700 k range do make more than the mid level guy in GPs. They are around 125-500.
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UpTiTe wrote:
What info do you want?
mxb2 wrote:
You said you had the salary breakdowns. Mxgp. Sx, mx.
UpTiTe wrote:
I never said I had the salary breakdown. I said the pay is close and the bonuses are the same. The top GP guys make just...
I never said I had the salary breakdown. I said the pay is close and the bonuses are the same. The top GP guys make just as much as the top supercross guys.

The top salaries are both 1.5-2.5 depending on the guy. Hondas top GP guy is at 1.8

Win bonus for both is 100-125k depending on the guy.

Championship bonus is 1-1.2 million.

Mid level guy in the US, 400-700 k range do make more than the mid level guy in GPs. They are around 125-500.
Ok. I was just curious, no biggie
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I don't think it has anything to do with self belief. Like I said before , becoming a world motocross champion doesn't mean much to them...
I don't think it has anything to do with self belief. Like I said before , becoming a world motocross champion doesn't mean much to them . It's not their goal .
It’s hard to argue with that as I’m sure one of he top riders would have stepped up by now if it were their goal.

I hope one day it changes.

A top US rider in MXGP & MX2 would be great for the sport.
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ItakePhotos 4/21/2022 3:37pm
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mxb2 wrote:
Yea. I was also. But its top secret lol. . yea. Mmmm. Ok.
UpTiTe wrote:
So you do get it, I was thinking you didn’t.
mxb2 wrote:
Sarcasm,. Why post. I got info, if you dont plan on posting the info. We all can say that.
For the same reason he always has. It helps steer the conversation back to reality. M knows what is usually up, even when things don't always pan out. What do you think will happen to him if he says "XYZ" told me this. The fact you can't just take his information as interesting rather than bitching is kind of lame. 20K posts in and I am explaining this is also a little odd. I have no beef with you, but common, most know who Uptite is and his info is not coming from a shop or a rep.
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UpTiTe wrote:
So you do get it, I was thinking you didn’t.
mxb2 wrote:
Sarcasm,. Why post. I got info, if you dont plan on posting the info. We all can say that.
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For the same reason he always has. It helps steer the conversation back to reality. M knows what is usually up, even when things don't always...
For the same reason he always has. It helps steer the conversation back to reality. M knows what is usually up, even when things don't always pan out. What do you think will happen to him if he says "XYZ" told me this. The fact you can't just take his information as interesting rather than bitching is kind of lame. 20K posts in and I am explaining this is also a little odd. I have no beef with you, but common, most know who Uptite is and his info is not coming from a shop or a rep.
I know his username from vital, nothing further.
ItakePhotos 4/21/2022 4:49pm
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mxb2 wrote:
Sarcasm,. Why post. I got info, if you dont plan on posting the info. We all can say that.
ItakePhotos wrote:
For the same reason he always has. It helps steer the conversation back to reality. M knows what is usually up, even when things don't always...
For the same reason he always has. It helps steer the conversation back to reality. M knows what is usually up, even when things don't always pan out. What do you think will happen to him if he says "XYZ" told me this. The fact you can't just take his information as interesting rather than bitching is kind of lame. 20K posts in and I am explaining this is also a little odd. I have no beef with you, but common, most know who Uptite is and his info is not coming from a shop or a rep.
mxb2 wrote:
I know his username from vital, nothing further.
Fair enough. I’m just saying what you get from him is more informed than most posters here and you should cut him slack. If he named people it would be done.
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For the same reason he always has. It helps steer the conversation back to reality. M knows what is usually up, even when things don't always...
For the same reason he always has. It helps steer the conversation back to reality. M knows what is usually up, even when things don't always pan out. What do you think will happen to him if he says "XYZ" told me this. The fact you can't just take his information as interesting rather than bitching is kind of lame. 20K posts in and I am explaining this is also a little odd. I have no beef with you, but common, most know who Uptite is and his info is not coming from a shop or a rep.
mxb2 wrote:
I know his username from vital, nothing further.
ItakePhotos wrote:
Fair enough. I’m just saying what you get from him is more informed than most posters here and you should cut him slack. If he named...
Fair enough. I’m just saying what you get from him is more informed than most posters here and you should cut him slack. If he named people it would be done.
All good, i like hearing good info. Its a mx forum. Not the cia. Lol.
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motokiwi 4/21/2022 5:26pm
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Yes but not over to Europe. And I was highlighting what RV said. I wasn't just making it up. Those were his words, and I'll believe...
Yes but not over to Europe. And I was highlighting what RV said. I wasn't just making it up. Those were his words, and I'll believe it.
That is literally the norm in every other country except the USA. Ya'll drive round with cheap gas, perfectly groomed tracks, mega motorcycle dealerships that stock whatever you need, amazon prime and walmart open 24/7.


The rest of the world lead a somewhat less factory existence
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Reading this does make you miss Covington a little bit he was the last top skill American rider. A shame his career ended the way it did.
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Ranman68 wrote:
If someone is a "top American" rider, then they are winning or doing very well in the supercross and mx series here. With that said, they...
If someone is a "top American" rider, then they are winning or doing very well in the supercross and mx series here. With that said, they are making a lot of money and thus there is zero reason for them to go race the GPs..Why leave your home, go to a foreign land, and race a series where you're at a disadvantage? A very tough series where they would need at least a season or two just to be a contender for the title. There's zero logic in it unless they were guaranteed a LOT of money to do it. Even then, they would have to want to do it.
vet40 wrote:
Because money can’t buy a world champion. It seems the pride in representing ones country on a global scale is getting lost in America. I don’t...
Because money can’t buy a world champion.

It seems the pride in representing ones country on a global scale is getting lost in America.

I don’t believe it’s really down to earning potential, there is huge earning potential for a US world champion.

I think it’s there isn’t a US rider that has the self belief required to do it.

It isn't really a world championship, it's a European championship. Argentina and the middle east races don't make it a world championship. A true world championship would include North America with North American riders competing.
I would like to see a few rounds in America that are points paying for the AMA national championship as well as the FIM championship. Not sure how they would work that out but it would be really cool.
There is no more pride in winning the world championship than winning the AMA supercross and/or AMA motocross championship, to American riders anyway. Back in the 70's and early 80's that may have been the case but not anymore.
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Ranman68 wrote:
If someone is a "top American" rider, then they are winning or doing very well in the supercross and mx series here. With that said, they...
If someone is a "top American" rider, then they are winning or doing very well in the supercross and mx series here. With that said, they are making a lot of money and thus there is zero reason for them to go race the GPs..Why leave your home, go to a foreign land, and race a series where you're at a disadvantage? A very tough series where they would need at least a season or two just to be a contender for the title. There's zero logic in it unless they were guaranteed a LOT of money to do it. Even then, they would have to want to do it.
vet40 wrote:
Because money can’t buy a world champion. It seems the pride in representing ones country on a global scale is getting lost in America. I don’t...
Because money can’t buy a world champion.

It seems the pride in representing ones country on a global scale is getting lost in America.

I don’t believe it’s really down to earning potential, there is huge earning potential for a US world champion.

I think it’s there isn’t a US rider that has the self belief required to do it.

gantry25 wrote:
It isn't really a world championship, it's a European championship. Argentina and the middle east races don't make it a world championship. A true world championship...
It isn't really a world championship, it's a European championship. Argentina and the middle east races don't make it a world championship. A true world championship would include North America with North American riders competing.
I would like to see a few rounds in America that are points paying for the AMA national championship as well as the FIM championship. Not sure how they would work that out but it would be really cool.
There is no more pride in winning the world championship than winning the AMA supercross and/or AMA motocross championship, to American riders anyway. Back in the 70's and early 80's that may have been the case but not anymore.
USA, the center of the world!
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vet40 wrote:
Because money can’t buy a world champion. It seems the pride in representing ones country on a global scale is getting lost in America. I don’t...
Because money can’t buy a world champion.

It seems the pride in representing ones country on a global scale is getting lost in America.

I don’t believe it’s really down to earning potential, there is huge earning potential for a US world champion.

I think it’s there isn’t a US rider that has the self belief required to do it.

gantry25 wrote:
It isn't really a world championship, it's a European championship. Argentina and the middle east races don't make it a world championship. A true world championship...
It isn't really a world championship, it's a European championship. Argentina and the middle east races don't make it a world championship. A true world championship would include North America with North American riders competing.
I would like to see a few rounds in America that are points paying for the AMA national championship as well as the FIM championship. Not sure how they would work that out but it would be really cool.
There is no more pride in winning the world championship than winning the AMA supercross and/or AMA motocross championship, to American riders anyway. Back in the 70's and early 80's that may have been the case but not anymore.
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USA, the center of the world!
No more than Europe is the center of the world. America is roughly equal in size to Europe. Certainly you can see that not including North America in the world championships sharply diminishes it's credibility in claiming world championship status.
Absolutely nothing wrong with having a European championship, especially considering the MXGP series currently has the edge in motocross when compared to North America. IMHO.
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KiwiBermRailer 4/22/2022 12:47am
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Have you ever really thought about how big of a pain in the ass it would be to race MXGP? Just think about the time for...
Have you ever really thought about how big of a pain in the ass it would be to race MXGP? Just think about the time for air travel. Even flying first class everywhere would eventually not be fun. Just think of going through security and customs to and from the locations around the world. Staying in hotels more than your own bed. Constantly having to get used to the local time and cuisine.

What if you get injured? Even when Weston Pieck was injured in Paris, which I would assume has excellent modern healthcare, it was a difficult experience for him with the language barrier and then having to fly 7-9 hours back home after he got out of the hospital.

I think the travel alone would be horrendous.

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Brad Lackey was willing to live behind the Iron Curtain in a cabin with no electricity or running water and work weekdays at the CZ factory...
Brad Lackey was willing to live behind the Iron Curtain in a cabin with no electricity or running water and work weekdays at the CZ factory. Yep modern travel is a deal breaker.....
The Sport is a lot different now days.

International travel is a killer.

By the way I use to walk up hill to school and then uphill to home each.
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gantry25 wrote:
It isn't really a world championship, it's a European championship. Argentina and the middle east races don't make it a world championship. A true world championship...
It isn't really a world championship, it's a European championship. Argentina and the middle east races don't make it a world championship. A true world championship would include North America with North American riders competing.
I would like to see a few rounds in America that are points paying for the AMA national championship as well as the FIM championship. Not sure how they would work that out but it would be really cool.
There is no more pride in winning the world championship than winning the AMA supercross and/or AMA motocross championship, to American riders anyway. Back in the 70's and early 80's that may have been the case but not anymore.
Your opinion is interesting but your take on what constitutes a world championship is a glaring example of how some Americans think the US is the center of the universe. Your take on pride doesn't apply to Europeans as many of them (working class non moto) know who their top riders are compared to the average American being asked if they've heard of Tomac, Anderston or Plessinger.

Today we already have a world championship and there is nothing stopping riders from North America contesting. I am with you on a few rounds (let's start with one or two) where National and MX2/MXGP points are paid. Maybe a National on Saturday and a MXGP round on Sunday with a Superfinal Main moto where the top twenty from both classes compete and we have forty riders in the Superfinal. One round would use MX Sports infrastructure and the next would use Infront Moto Racing infrastructure. I need to stop dreaming and get back to work.
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gantry25 4/23/2022 7:33am
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gantry25 wrote:
It isn't really a world championship, it's a European championship. Argentina and the middle east races don't make it a world championship. A true world championship...
It isn't really a world championship, it's a European championship. Argentina and the middle east races don't make it a world championship. A true world championship would include North America with North American riders competing.
I would like to see a few rounds in America that are points paying for the AMA national championship as well as the FIM championship. Not sure how they would work that out but it would be really cool.
There is no more pride in winning the world championship than winning the AMA supercross and/or AMA motocross championship, to American riders anyway. Back in the 70's and early 80's that may have been the case but not anymore.
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Your opinion is interesting but your take on what constitutes a world championship is a glaring example of how some Americans think the US is the...
Your opinion is interesting but your take on what constitutes a world championship is a glaring example of how some Americans think the US is the center of the universe. Your take on pride doesn't apply to Europeans as many of them (working class non moto) know who their top riders are compared to the average American being asked if they've heard of Tomac, Anderston or Plessinger.

Today we already have a world championship and there is nothing stopping riders from North America contesting. I am with you on a few rounds (let's start with one or two) where National and MX2/MXGP points are paid. Maybe a National on Saturday and a MXGP round on Sunday with a Superfinal Main moto where the top twenty from both classes compete and we have forty riders in the Superfinal. One round would use MX Sports infrastructure and the next would use Infront Moto Racing infrastructure. I need to stop dreaming and get back to work.
It's no different than the baseball world series claiming to be a world series. It isn't. The MXGP series excludes all of North America, that's not stating that America is the center of the universe but that it is part of it.
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Yes but not over to Europe. And I was highlighting what RV said. I wasn't just making it up. Those were his words, and I'll believe...
Yes but not over to Europe. And I was highlighting what RV said. I wasn't just making it up. Those were his words, and I'll believe it.
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That is literally the norm in every other country except the USA. Ya'll drive round with cheap gas, perfectly groomed tracks, mega motorcycle dealerships that stock...
That is literally the norm in every other country except the USA. Ya'll drive round with cheap gas, perfectly groomed tracks, mega motorcycle dealerships that stock whatever you need, amazon prime and walmart open 24/7.


The rest of the world lead a somewhat less factory existence
So you're saying the US rules? Hell yeah
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It's no different than the baseball world series claiming to be a world series. It isn't. The MXGP series excludes all of North America, that's not...
It's no different than the baseball world series claiming to be a world series. It isn't. The MXGP series excludes all of North America, that's not stating that America is the center of the universe but that it is part of it.
No it is completely different. Baseball's world series never leaves the US. MXGP doesn't have a round in North American but travels all over the globe. In reality World Series is actually the National Series and definitely not a world series. Saying MXGP isn't a world champtionship indicates a lack of geography and American bias.
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Leave Us To 4/23/2022 8:55pm
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But despite what you say the World Series still is in only one country but yeah that's exactly the same as the MXGP World Championship. But seriously, If you ever see Brad Lackey at an event why don't you tell him his world champtionship is really"just an" European championship so he shouldn't claim to be the US's first World Champion.
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Oh you're right. Two countries both in North America for the World Series so that's definitely the same as MXGP's seventeen. WTH! No matter how many times you post, Brad Lackey still doesn't agree with you.
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Leave Us To 4/24/2022 6:32am
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Picking out one year impacted by Covid really makes your point. Tell Lewis Hamilton his seven F1 championships aren't actually World Championships because he didn't race on every continent. Keep beating that dead horse but it's never going to wake up.

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Spoonguy 4/24/2022 9:13am
4/24/2022 9:13am
Didn't a female score points in a GP recently? I think we can all agree not so prestigious of a look.
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