Can we get a top US racer to MXGP?

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Just watched ML512s Why hasn't Tomac re signed with Star Racing and was thinking about Herlings hopefully racing the Lucas Oil MX Nationals this year. How great it would be to get a Tomac, Anderson or Barcia over to MXGP for a season or two. I read where Barcia wants to move to Europe (or was it England?) ultimately so he'd might be the best prospect. Barcia is a great mud rider too.

After RV's MXGP mulligan, it's time the stars and stripes are represented again in MXGP.
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Just watched ML512s Why hasn't Tomac re signed with Star Racing and was thinking about Herlings hopefully racing the Lucas Oil MX Nationals this year. How...
Just watched ML512s Why hasn't Tomac re signed with Star Racing and was thinking about Herlings hopefully racing the Lucas Oil MX Nationals this year. How great it would be to get a Tomac, Anderson or Barcia over to MXGP for a season or two. I read where Barcia wants to move to Europe (or was it England?) ultimately so he'd might be the best prospect. Barcia is a great mud rider too.

After RV's MXGP mulligan, it's time the stars and stripes are represented again in MXGP.
Easiest answer: Go find the Villopoto video of him explaining how insane and dangerous just the PRACTICE TRACKS are over seas. And how remote some places are, no ambulances. Metal poles or stakes around the tracks, never maintained or watered.
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This guy could be a good fit in Europe. He may not be a "top US racer" but he might be one of our best suited to MXGP tracks.


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Thanks for the video and suggestion of Masterpoole. Don't think I've seen anyone since Larry Ward at Daytona flashing the number 1 sign at the start.
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Thanks for the video and suggestion of Masterpoole. Don't think I've seen anyone since Larry Ward at Daytona flashing the number 1 sign at the start.
Thanks for the video and suggestion of Masterpoole. Don't think I've seen anyone since Larry Ward at Daytona flashing the number 1 sign at the start.
I don’t think he was flashing the number one, he was pointing to the sky to honor his brother.
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Money talks...pay a top American enough money and they'll go race them...what that number is will depend entirely on the rider and individual circumstances...but for top Americans...its probably more than any one team would be willing to pay, when they've got plenty of great talent who will race them for far less money.
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Agreed. Take the Paul Lindsey/ Dennis Stapleton approach: take advantage of the American appeal in the rest of the world. Fans like seeing the token American racer. Maybe not everywhere, but in most other countries.

Likelihood of getting another TOP US rider in their prime contesting all of the MXGPs is low, but there are certainly riders who are more suited toward MX than SX that could do decent over there. Someone like Savatgy, who I think has several good years left in him, could do with a break from SX. It seems to be the source of most of his injuries and he is more than a halfway decent outdoor rider.

Give a rider like that an opportunity to focus solely on outdoor tracks, and he could thrive. Mike Brown, Talon Vohland, Donny Schmit, Jimmy Button, Ryan Hughes: they were all very-good-but-not-top-tier SX racers, but their time on the GP circuit (when they couldn't find a good ride stateside) turned them into formidable outdoor beasts.

Would love to see that happen again.
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Thanks for the video and suggestion of Masterpoole. Don't think I've seen anyone since Larry Ward at Daytona flashing the number 1 sign at the start.
Thanks for the video and suggestion of Masterpoole. Don't think I've seen anyone since Larry Ward at Daytona flashing the number 1 sign at the start.
DonM wrote:
I don’t think he was flashing the number one, he was pointing to the sky to honor his brother.
....which was one of the most amazing moments in motocross history if you know the Masterpool story! That was so cool honoring his brother like that....
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I'd like to see J-Mart give the GPs a go
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Adam Ciancirulo.

he cant survive an SX season,, would be great to see him in the GP's

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DonM wrote:
I don’t think he was flashing the number one, he was pointing to the sky to honor his brother.
You are 100 percent correct. Embarassed I forgot about that tragedy.
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I'd like to see J-Mart give the GPs a go
How did I forget J-Mart? Doh!!!!!

I've said it before but in my opinion J-Mart isn't in the top 5 of 250 SX riders but he is top 3-5 in all of American outdoor racing regardless of bike size.
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How did I forget J-Mart? Doh!!!!! I've said it before but in my opinion J-Mart isn't in the top 5 of 250 SX riders but he...
How did I forget J-Mart? Doh!!!!!

I've said it before but in my opinion J-Mart isn't in the top 5 of 250 SX riders but he is top 3-5 in all of American outdoor racing regardless of bike size.
I just don't get the vibe that J-Mart would like living in Europe and all that comes with that.
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LungButter wrote:
I just don't get the vibe that J-Mart would like living in Europe and all that comes with that.
In a recent interview he said he’d do it if it paid well enough to make sense.
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I just don't get the vibe that J-Mart would like living in Europe and all that comes with that.
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In a recent interview he said he’d do it if it paid well enough to make sense.
Has J Mart got the clout on a 450 to demand a high salary?
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Americans want to race SX it is the best paying and most prestigious championship in the states, many think in the world. Why would a rider in his prime like Tomac take a cut in pay and race a series that means less to them? Same with the top GP riders, Herlings would take a cut in pay to come to the US to race SX and the Nationals. Money and fame have an huge effect in these riders decisions.
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Rosso391 wrote:
Easiest answer: Go find the Villopoto video of him explaining how insane and dangerous just the PRACTICE TRACKS are over seas. And how remote some places...
Easiest answer: Go find the Villopoto video of him explaining how insane and dangerous just the PRACTICE TRACKS are over seas. And how remote some places are, no ambulances. Metal poles or stakes around the tracks, never maintained or watered.
Honest question, have you ever been outside the USA?
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Has J Mart got the clout on a 450 to demand a high salary?
Maybe not but if there are teams willing to pay him handsomely here in the states, it wouldn’t make sense to go race over there at all. Less money and more traveling.

It sounded like if he couldn’t find a ride here, he would be open to offers to race over there. Just wouldn’t take a pay cut to race that series over this one.
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Stop practicing sx and absolutely one of our guys would dominate....

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If the World Sx series does what it says it's going to do, the US Nationals will have a tough time filling the gates with midpack racers in 23'. I think US racers would steer toward that more than MXGPs if given the choice.
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I think that AC would be one of few that could come over here and embrace the ”shitty” conditions with a positive mind set. Barcia would never be a title threat in MXGP, just as little as he has been in the US.

But at least AC has the pure speed. But a US rider needs to come over in time and put in the work. It’s a shame that RV was out of it mentally before he even came over. Had he put in the winter training in Belgium with the same work ethic as he did when he trained with Baker, i am pretty sure that the outcome of his MXGP adventure would have been way better.

The Bulldog that A mart is, i could see him get some decent results to even if i think that he should need to clean up his riding a bit and ride a little smoother on the tracks here.

As far as the US riders with decent speed and a riding style suited for GP’s the list would be AC, Sexton and Craig for me.
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motoxxx599 wrote:
If the World Sx series does what it says it's going to do, the US Nationals will have a tough time filling the gates with midpack...
If the World Sx series does what it says it's going to do, the US Nationals will have a tough time filling the gates with midpack racers in 23'. I think US racers would steer toward that more than MXGPs if given the choice.
We hear a lot about how this will take riders away from both US and Euro riders, but I think it will be tough.

The US OEM's will still fill bikes/rides for both SX and MX as that is important for US sales.
I dont think they will have a ton of riders go SX only - not sure the money is there either.

And look at the MXGP's with 25-30+ bikes on the line, Not a lot of rides to go around.

Just does not seem like a lot of riders will do it. Maybe a few, and hope it happens - but just don't think it will be a lot of them.
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Just watched ML512s Why hasn't Tomac re signed with Star Racing and was thinking about Herlings hopefully racing the Lucas Oil MX Nationals this year. How...
Just watched ML512s Why hasn't Tomac re signed with Star Racing and was thinking about Herlings hopefully racing the Lucas Oil MX Nationals this year. How great it would be to get a Tomac, Anderson or Barcia over to MXGP for a season or two. I read where Barcia wants to move to Europe (or was it England?) ultimately so he'd might be the best prospect. Barcia is a great mud rider too.

After RV's MXGP mulligan, it's time the stars and stripes are represented again in MXGP.
Rosso391 wrote:
Easiest answer: Go find the Villopoto video of him explaining how insane and dangerous just the PRACTICE TRACKS are over seas. And how remote some places...
Easiest answer: Go find the Villopoto video of him explaining how insane and dangerous just the PRACTICE TRACKS are over seas. And how remote some places are, no ambulances. Metal poles or stakes around the tracks, never maintained or watered.
Keyword is some. I’m sure the same type of remote places and shitty sketchy tracks are to be found in any country that has motocross tracks. RV rode for a pretty shitty managed team though. Had he ridden for De Carli for example I’m sure he would’ve rode a ton of better tracks.
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Vohland could be that top US guy
Vohland could be that guy that loses his ride as he can't even qualify for supercross
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Vohland could be that top US guy
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Vohland could be that guy that loses his ride as he can't even qualify for supercross
You could be that guy with the least insightful and unoriginal post in the thread. And to add.... it is a GP/MX conversation, not suoercross. Try comprehension next time before a dumb response.
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You could be that guy with the least insightful and unoriginal post in the thread. And to add.... it is a GP/MX conversation, not suoercross. Try...
You could be that guy with the least insightful and unoriginal post in the thread. And to add.... it is a GP/MX conversation, not suoercross. Try comprehension next time before a dumb response.
While that response was a bit on the harsh side, Max is no where near being a top US contender indoors or out right now.
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Mit12 wrote:
Americans want to race SX it is the best paying and most prestigious championship in the states, many think in the world. Why would a rider...
Americans want to race SX it is the best paying and most prestigious championship in the states, many think in the world. Why would a rider in his prime like Tomac take a cut in pay and race a series that means less to them? Same with the top GP riders, Herlings would take a cut in pay to come to the US to race SX and the Nationals. Money and fame have an huge effect in these riders decisions.
There’s not been US world champion within the modern era, so no ones knows the earning potential.

My guess is it would far exceed any national series indoors or out.
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Mit12 wrote:
Americans want to race SX it is the best paying and most prestigious championship in the states, many think in the world. Why would a rider...
Americans want to race SX it is the best paying and most prestigious championship in the states, many think in the world. Why would a rider in his prime like Tomac take a cut in pay and race a series that means less to them? Same with the top GP riders, Herlings would take a cut in pay to come to the US to race SX and the Nationals. Money and fame have an huge effect in these riders decisions.
"Many?" The rest of the World doesn't care about sx. So that "many" is actually the minority.
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Rosso391 wrote:
Easiest answer: Go find the Villopoto video of him explaining how insane and dangerous just the PRACTICE TRACKS are over seas. And how remote some places...
Easiest answer: Go find the Villopoto video of him explaining how insane and dangerous just the PRACTICE TRACKS are over seas. And how remote some places are, no ambulances. Metal poles or stakes around the tracks, never maintained or watered.
I wonder how many practice tracks RV got to visit during his short career. My guess is he didn’t visit them all. Riders like Herlings, Prado, Hoff didn’t wax your ass at Redbud by practicing on goat tracks.

It’s true some of the flyaways arnt as ideal as e European tracks, but sometimes thats what goes with the territory of daring the be a proper world championship & leaving the local conveniences.

There’s a level of pride that money cannot buy from standing on top of a podium, hearing your national anthem play far away from home. It’s a real shame the fireworks & hotdogs have blinded the US industry from that.

I always through US was one of the proudest nations…
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