Why wasn't Webb black flagged?

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Edited Date/Time 3/20/2022 9:47am
They stopped Sexton from getting on his bike to find out it was unrideable for himself a few weeks ago, but they let Cooper circulate around the track like THAT for a while?
He didn't seem to be doing himself, his championship points situation, or ANY of the other riders on the track much good.
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Definitely a head scratcher. If anyone is riding around the whoops multiple laps on a row, they should be black flagged regardless of the situation.
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ocscottie 3/13/2022 11:01am
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I sorta wondered the same, that did not seem safe.
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RF145 3/13/2022 11:04am
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In the RacerX write up, they say the AMA did wave him off. Not sure why it took the AMA two laps to do it though.
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Dr Wario 3/13/2022 11:09am
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Agree. I was at the race and seemed ridiculous. Appreciate him trying to gut it out, but it's a recipe for more trouble + he was rolling off around the whoops as if they were optional
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trace704 3/13/2022 11:11am
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I think it made for good TV.
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Thisusernameisavailable 3/13/2022 11:11am
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The trouble is, where do you stop?

For instance, if a rider was to fall and snap off his front brake lever, get back up and start riding again, the lack of front brake also presents an unsafe situation- does he get black flagged too?
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Dr Wario wrote:
Agree. I was at the race and seemed ridiculous. Appreciate him trying to gut it out, but it's a recipe for more trouble + he was...
Agree. I was at the race and seemed ridiculous. Appreciate him trying to gut it out, but it's a recipe for more trouble + he was rolling off around the whoops as if they were optional
Well, it’s not the first time he did that in a race..
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Bradshaw Fan 3/13/2022 11:13am
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Riding around with one hand and skipping the whoops would not have given him any points. When does the AMA stop worrying about who it is and do their job. Should have been black flagged right away.
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RaceFace58 3/13/2022 11:19am
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He only needed to complete 1 lap to be sure he was ahead of Sexton and Anderson. I thought that’s what he was doing with 4:50 left. Apparently he did two more laps after that? Those two laps gained nothing for him. The whole time I was worried we were going to see a bike fall out of the sky onto him again. Since he couldn’t even put the arm on the bars I don’t think he’ll be out there next race. If the AMA pulled him off good. If his team pulled him off good. Still
Perplexing that it took anyone two laps to figure out it was very dangerous. I hope he isn’t too badly injured.
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soggy 3/13/2022 11:21am
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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
The trouble is, where do you stop? For instance, if a rider was to fall and snap off his front brake lever, get back up and...
The trouble is, where do you stop?

For instance, if a rider was to fall and snap off his front brake lever, get back up and start riding again, the lack of front brake also presents an unsafe situation- does he get black flagged too?
I would say the line is when the rider cant have all his appendages attached to the bike.
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soggy wrote:
I would say the line is when the rider cant have all his appendages attached to the bike.
Or when they can’t even ride all the obstacles.
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I was fine with him riding until he slipped the whoops. Then you aren’t even riding “the track” I would place him out after the crash. It will be 1 point
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ocscottie 3/13/2022 11:26am
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Denny agrees:

Denny Stephenson:
Can we all agree, whomever is responsible for allowing an injured Coop to ride around w/ one arm for three laps should be fired or at least suspended. At the very least for his own safety. An official. His mechanic. Someone. That was a huge mistake on someone's part.
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Roczoff 3/13/2022 11:32am
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There's a rumor floating around that perhaps AMA doesn't run the tightest ship...
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Thisusernameisavailable 3/13/2022 11:33am
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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
The trouble is, where do you stop? For instance, if a rider was to fall and snap off his front brake lever, get back up and...
The trouble is, where do you stop?

For instance, if a rider was to fall and snap off his front brake lever, get back up and start riding again, the lack of front brake also presents an unsafe situation- does he get black flagged too?
soggy wrote:
I would say the line is when the rider cant have all his appendages attached to the bike.
In which case, there would have been no grounds to stop Sexton from remounting. (IF his bike was good to go)

It’s an interesting subject- if the black flag is gonna be thrown for ‘safety’ reasons, there needs to be a line in the sand.
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soggy 3/13/2022 11:36am
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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
In which case, there would have been no grounds to stop Sexton from remounting. (IF his bike was good to go) It’s an interesting subject- if...
In which case, there would have been no grounds to stop Sexton from remounting. (IF his bike was good to go)

It’s an interesting subject- if the black flag is gonna be thrown for ‘safety’ reasons, there needs to be a line in the sand.
I don’t think we know if sexton wanted to continue and was told he couldn’t, right?

But yea if you are riding one handed and skipping a section of track you should be pulled.

Amazing most of these guys seemed to escape major injury.
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RaceFace58 3/13/2022 11:40am
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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
The trouble is, where do you stop? For instance, if a rider was to fall and snap off his front brake lever, get back up and...
The trouble is, where do you stop?

For instance, if a rider was to fall and snap off his front brake lever, get back up and start riding again, the lack of front brake also presents an unsafe situation- does he get black flagged too?
soggy wrote:
I would say the line is when the rider cant have all his appendages attached to the bike.
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
In which case, there would have been no grounds to stop Sexton from remounting. (IF his bike was good to go) It’s an interesting subject- if...
In which case, there would have been no grounds to stop Sexton from remounting. (IF his bike was good to go)

It’s an interesting subject- if the black flag is gonna be thrown for ‘safety’ reasons, there needs to be a line in the sand.
They have grounds in place to stop someone who had their bell rung. Maybe everyone was trying to get him to pull off and he was ignoring them. He gained nothing by doing that.
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Thisusernameisavailable 3/13/2022 11:43am
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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
In which case, there would have been no grounds to stop Sexton from remounting. (IF his bike was good to go) It’s an interesting subject- if...
In which case, there would have been no grounds to stop Sexton from remounting. (IF his bike was good to go)

It’s an interesting subject- if the black flag is gonna be thrown for ‘safety’ reasons, there needs to be a line in the sand.
soggy wrote:
I don’t think we know if sexton wanted to continue and was told he couldn’t, right? But yea if you are riding one handed and skipping...
I don’t think we know if sexton wanted to continue and was told he couldn’t, right?

But yea if you are riding one handed and skipping a section of track you should be pulled.

Amazing most of these guys seemed to escape major injury.
No, I guess we don’t know about Sexton. I think it was assumed that he was stopped, rather than choosing to stop. And then they found out about the bike.

I think throwing the black flag is gonna be treading on dodgy ground. Remember the backlash when Reed was black flagged for unsafe riding? If he was going to continue to ride dangerously for the remainder of the race, sure black flag him, but if from that point he was going to ride safely (was highly likely) then he should be allowed to stay out there. (Penalty applied later for the incident)

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fellow addict 3/13/2022 11:43am
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Comms picked up by no one I know and I don’t know how I received them but,…
AMA over the radio- “Hey Roger, what is the problem with Webb after that crash?
Roger- “He looks like he is just waiting for some pain to stop in his arm and he appears to be picking up speed slowly but surely. Let him ride a while and maybe he will start using the arm again. Everything looks good just waiting on the arm. Sextons jersey is torn and is no longer properly displaying the AMA logo so keep him off his bike. You guys should check on Anderson he is about to run across the start straight and get mowed down.”
AMA- “Thanks as always Rog!”
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Because he has the #1 on his plates.
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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
The trouble is, where do you stop? For instance, if a rider was to fall and snap off his front brake lever, get back up and...
The trouble is, where do you stop?

For instance, if a rider was to fall and snap off his front brake lever, get back up and start riding again, the lack of front brake also presents an unsafe situation- does he get black flagged too?
If you can circulate the track at a reasonable pace no need to black flag. Coop was crawling around and skipping parts of the track. Black flag is a no brainer.
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ocscottie wrote:
Denny agrees: Denny Stephenson: Can we all agree, whomever is responsible for allowing an injured Coop to ride around w/ one arm for three laps should...
Denny agrees:

Denny Stephenson:
Can we all agree, whomever is responsible for allowing an injured Coop to ride around w/ one arm for three laps should be fired or at least suspended. At the very least for his own safety. An official. His mechanic. Someone. That was a huge mistake on someone's part.
No disrespect to Denny, but he was a hard chargin' hard crashin' guy, and had he crashed during a main event while up front, tried to get back on the bike and someone tried to stop him....

He would've been swinging and people would be yelling for blood.

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RaceFace58 3/13/2022 12:02pm
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Hey when knocked out or dazed, almost every guy in the fighting world can’t believe the ref stops the fight even when they were out out for several seconds. So you can’t go by the riders complaints. If a rider starts swinging they’ll be missing a bunch of races so their choice. Fact is no one stopped Webb but it quickly was ridiculously apparent that he couldn’t navigate the track in any kind of safe manner.
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flarider wrote:
No disrespect to Denny, but he was a hard chargin' hard crashin' guy, and had he crashed during a main event while up front, tried to...
No disrespect to Denny, but he was a hard chargin' hard crashin' guy, and had he crashed during a main event while up front, tried to get back on the bike and someone tried to stop him....

He would've been swinging and people would be yelling for blood.

So, does his statement make it less legit because of that?
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Thisusernameisavailable 3/13/2022 12:44pm
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There has to be some in-house kudos for being the top Austrian bike in the series? Even if it’s unspoken.. it must pain Webb to be struggling to overcome Malcolm.
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gt80rider 3/13/2022 12:51pm
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Saw a lot of people on line stoked to see webb keep going.... I was wondering why they didn't black flag him like in any other form of racing.... I actually sorta thought he got his bell rung because nobody in their normal mind would have kept riding around that slowly during a main... Webb was known for his racecraft, but this year has been the opposite... not a webb fan, but hope he wasn't seriously injured....
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NotCore 3/13/2022 12:53pm
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I wasn't sure if he was continuing to race...or just looking for the exit.
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zehn 3/13/2022 12:56pm
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NotCore wrote:
I wasn't sure if he was continuing to race...or just looking for the exit.
Stop making excuses for him
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RaceFace58 3/13/2022 12:57pm
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He must’ve had a head knock of it took 3 laps to find an exit from said track.
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tmphotoart 3/13/2022 12:58pm
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ocscottie wrote:
Denny agrees: Denny Stephenson: Can we all agree, whomever is responsible for allowing an injured Coop to ride around w/ one arm for three laps should...
Denny agrees:

Denny Stephenson:
Can we all agree, whomever is responsible for allowing an injured Coop to ride around w/ one arm for three laps should be fired or at least suspended. At the very least for his own safety. An official. His mechanic. Someone. That was a huge mistake on someone's part.
EVERY POINT COUNTS . . .

Champions like Cooper never quit. That's what makes them Champions.


> Ryno breaks a leg and lines up for the 2nd moto - He's a Hero!

> Richard Coon breaks his collarbone and races the 2nd moto to win his first career 125 national. - He's a Hero!

> Darrel Schultz races his last 500 National moto with a destroyed knee to win the 1982 500 MX Championship - He's a Hero!

Cooper is just doing his job to earn points as possible and on a night like this one, just getting to the finish line makes a big difference in the points battle.

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