Triple Crown's Why?

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Well I'm not impressed with triple crowns. I know Weege, JT, Blair, and Matthes all think their the greatest thing to hit SX but I don't see it. So you have three races to decide a winner. got it. The final race of the night should be the climax of the night in my opinion. So lets look at last night. The 250 class we had the top 3 riders, coming into the race, Jett, Forkner, and Mcadoo tied in points coming into the 3rd race. The broadcast called it "sudden death" to see who wins between the 3. Which in reality is the best outcome you could hope for from the first 2 races of the night to have the top 3 riders tied in points. So I'm sure the above mentioned 4 were all humming to this amazing 3 rider "sudden death" race. Yawn... On a normal racing night on the main event starting gate are 22 riders. All tied in points for the night and it's a "sudden death" race but not just between 3 but 22 riders. WOW! You would think The above mentioned 4 would now be super excited with 22 riders tied going into the final race. Smile Just kidding. So to me a main event final race should be "sudden death" but include 22 not just 3.
On to the 450 class. This third race was basically between Tomac and Anderson, but Webb, Mookie, and Sexton were still in it. Shocker! The top 5 riders coming into tonight's race were the top 5 riders going into the 3rd race. The exception is that Tomac at worse had to finish 2nd if Anderson was leading. So we have Tomac just following Anderson all race. Yawn! We have the top 2 riders racing in the front But one rider doesn't need to win so we miss out on what might have been a dramatic finish.
So my point is I'd ratter see one main that's for all the marbles each Race day. You can have 10 races each night but the top 5 will most of the time be the top five so why add more carnage and get riders hurt(watch 250 class). I'd love if each race the winner has to battle all race but it rarely happens and Triple Crowns don't make the racing any more exciting. Just the opposite they make it more confusing for the casual fan and possibly injure more riders. And I know the above 4 live at the races and are bored with he current format. Sorry, but you are an exception. The average fan loves the standard show so why change what ain't broke.
Note: this is my opinion
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I’m an average fan and I couldn’t disagree with you more.
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Impressive wall of text you got there.
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scrubbin wrote:
Well I'm not impressed with triple crowns. I know Weege, JT, Blair, and Matthes all think their the greatest thing to hit SX but I don't...
Well I'm not impressed with triple crowns. I know Weege, JT, Blair, and Matthes all think their the greatest thing to hit SX but I don't see it. So you have three races to decide a winner. got it. The final race of the night should be the climax of the night in my opinion. So lets look at last night. The 250 class we had the top 3 riders, coming into the race, Jett, Forkner, and Mcadoo tied in points coming into the 3rd race. The broadcast called it "sudden death" to see who wins between the 3. Which in reality is the best outcome you could hope for from the first 2 races of the night to have the top 3 riders tied in points. So I'm sure the above mentioned 4 were all humming to this amazing 3 rider "sudden death" race. Yawn... On a normal racing night on the main event starting gate are 22 riders. All tied in points for the night and it's a "sudden death" race but not just between 3 but 22 riders. WOW! You would think The above mentioned 4 would now be super excited with 22 riders tied going into the final race. Smile Just kidding. So to me a main event final race should be "sudden death" but include 22 not just 3.
On to the 450 class. This third race was basically between Tomac and Anderson, but Webb, Mookie, and Sexton were still in it. Shocker! The top 5 riders coming into tonight's race were the top 5 riders going into the 3rd race. The exception is that Tomac at worse had to finish 2nd if Anderson was leading. So we have Tomac just following Anderson all race. Yawn! We have the top 2 riders racing in the front But one rider doesn't need to win so we miss out on what might have been a dramatic finish.
So my point is I'd ratter see one main that's for all the marbles each Race day. You can have 10 races each night but the top 5 will most of the time be the top five so why add more carnage and get riders hurt(watch 250 class). I'd love if each race the winner has to battle all race but it rarely happens and Triple Crowns don't make the racing any more exciting. Just the opposite they make it more confusing for the casual fan and possibly injure more riders. And I know the above 4 live at the races and are bored with he current format. Sorry, but you are an exception. The average fan loves the standard show so why change what ain't broke.
Note: this is my opinion
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Last night was classic triple crown. The last race of the night and the battle for the lead was inconsequential. “ … and second place wins!!!!.”
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Other than screwing opportunities for privateers, I don’t see any negatives to the triple crowns.

Personally, I’d love to see SX modeled more with this format:

Qualifying-heat-semi-lcq-main

Hell, 2 mains just like outdoors.

The only improvement I can see that triple crowns really need is to overall the points like outdoors where each main contributes directly to points standing for the series.

Just my opinion as a fan.
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2/27/2022 1:22pm Edited Date/Time 2/27/2022 4:12pm
Paying series points for each moto win, plus points for overall would make for a bit less "settling in for position".
Especially the last moto.
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They are by far the best fan experience to be at. You must be a Webb fan
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Its sucks for non team riders as they dont get to be on tv most of them. If you were a 40th place rider, why show up???
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scrubbin wrote:
Well I'm not impressed with triple crowns. I know Weege, JT, Blair, and Matthes all think their the greatest thing to hit SX but I don't...
Well I'm not impressed with triple crowns. I know Weege, JT, Blair, and Matthes all think their the greatest thing to hit SX but I don't see it. So you have three races to decide a winner. got it. The final race of the night should be the climax of the night in my opinion. So lets look at last night. The 250 class we had the top 3 riders, coming into the race, Jett, Forkner, and Mcadoo tied in points coming into the 3rd race. The broadcast called it "sudden death" to see who wins between the 3. Which in reality is the best outcome you could hope for from the first 2 races of the night to have the top 3 riders tied in points. So I'm sure the above mentioned 4 were all humming to this amazing 3 rider "sudden death" race. Yawn... On a normal racing night on the main event starting gate are 22 riders. All tied in points for the night and it's a "sudden death" race but not just between 3 but 22 riders. WOW! You would think The above mentioned 4 would now be super excited with 22 riders tied going into the final race. Smile Just kidding. So to me a main event final race should be "sudden death" but include 22 not just 3.
On to the 450 class. This third race was basically between Tomac and Anderson, but Webb, Mookie, and Sexton were still in it. Shocker! The top 5 riders coming into tonight's race were the top 5 riders going into the 3rd race. The exception is that Tomac at worse had to finish 2nd if Anderson was leading. So we have Tomac just following Anderson all race. Yawn! We have the top 2 riders racing in the front But one rider doesn't need to win so we miss out on what might have been a dramatic finish.
So my point is I'd ratter see one main that's for all the marbles each Race day. You can have 10 races each night but the top 5 will most of the time be the top five so why add more carnage and get riders hurt(watch 250 class). I'd love if each race the winner has to battle all race but it rarely happens and Triple Crowns don't make the racing any more exciting. Just the opposite they make it more confusing for the casual fan and possibly injure more riders. And I know the above 4 live at the races and are bored with he current format. Sorry, but you are an exception. The average fan loves the standard show so why change what ain't broke.
Note: this is my opinion
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I got past that but he lost me at "their". Wink
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I don't want to see a triple crown every week but I think a few a year mixes it up and I find them entertaining. I'm not sure I find them any more or less entertaining than the "typical" races though. I also don't know what the right number is to have each year, although I'd say at least two (one for each coast). Four or more feels like too many though. Like others say it would be nice to have them pay a few bonus points for a win, although I also think that only really changes the results of the last race. For the first two, riders are going to push as hard as they can anyway to bank as many points as possible for that last race. Had there been a few bonus points on the line, I think Eli pushes harder to pass Anderson.
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Because they’re awesome, that’s why.
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Triple crown really takes out the startercross element. A one lined track some nights means who ever gets the holeshot, wins. I don't want 3C every weekend but it keeps it fresh.
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scrubbin wrote:
Well I'm not impressed with triple crowns. I know Weege, JT, Blair, and Matthes all think their the greatest thing to hit SX but I don't...
Well I'm not impressed with triple crowns. I know Weege, JT, Blair, and Matthes all think their the greatest thing to hit SX but I don't see it. So you have three races to decide a winner. got it. The final race of the night should be the climax of the night in my opinion. So lets look at last night. The 250 class we had the top 3 riders, coming into the race, Jett, Forkner, and Mcadoo tied in points coming into the 3rd race. The broadcast called it "sudden death" to see who wins between the 3. Which in reality is the best outcome you could hope for from the first 2 races of the night to have the top 3 riders tied in points. So I'm sure the above mentioned 4 were all humming to this amazing 3 rider "sudden death" race. Yawn... On a normal racing night on the main event starting gate are 22 riders. All tied in points for the night and it's a "sudden death" race but not just between 3 but 22 riders. WOW! You would think The above mentioned 4 would now be super excited with 22 riders tied going into the final race. Smile Just kidding. So to me a main event final race should be "sudden death" but include 22 not just 3.
On to the 450 class. This third race was basically between Tomac and Anderson, but Webb, Mookie, and Sexton were still in it. Shocker! The top 5 riders coming into tonight's race were the top 5 riders going into the 3rd race. The exception is that Tomac at worse had to finish 2nd if Anderson was leading. So we have Tomac just following Anderson all race. Yawn! We have the top 2 riders racing in the front But one rider doesn't need to win so we miss out on what might have been a dramatic finish.
So my point is I'd ratter see one main that's for all the marbles each Race day. You can have 10 races each night but the top 5 will most of the time be the top five so why add more carnage and get riders hurt(watch 250 class). I'd love if each race the winner has to battle all race but it rarely happens and Triple Crowns don't make the racing any more exciting. Just the opposite they make it more confusing for the casual fan and possibly injure more riders. And I know the above 4 live at the races and are bored with he current format. Sorry, but you are an exception. The average fan loves the standard show so why change what ain't broke.
Note: this is my opinion
1) You talk as if all 22 riders have an equal shot at winning in the standard format which is laughable

2) All 22 riders still have a hypothetical chance at the start of race #1 or triple crown. The beauty is you have to perform in each race to continue to stay in it.

3) The triple crowns essentially replace the meaningless heat races and LCQ's with races that actually matter. If you prefer the suspense of watching split classes race for gate picks(heat races) or for the right to get lapped in the main(LCQ's) more power to you... I for one prefer getting to see the best 22 line up and battle 3x instead of just once per event

Standard Format= 2 important and 4 meaningless races

Triple Crown= 6 important races
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How the hell could you look at last nights racing and give out about it . It was brilliant all night . Anytime i can see 6 great races in one night is a great night . Love triple crown s .
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6 gate drops, that count for the overall, who wants to see that? I do, that’s who! 👍
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I hate triple crowns. I don’t think it makes more meaningful races, I think it makes every single race LESS meaningful. Tomac would’ve been stupid if he chose to try and beat Anderson in race 3. Guys crash out of races and get 12th but then are still able to podium based on the other finishes. Nothing like going 3-2-2 and winning the “race” for the night. The fact that any rider who watches likes it is disturbing. It’s aimed at the non riding spectators who think the highlight of the night was Forkner and Jett crashing. The racers hate it but why do anything to suit them?
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Yeti831 wrote:
Other than screwing opportunities for privateers, I don’t see any negatives to the triple crowns. Personally, I’d love to see SX modeled more with this format...
Other than screwing opportunities for privateers, I don’t see any negatives to the triple crowns.

Personally, I’d love to see SX modeled more with this format:

Qualifying-heat-semi-lcq-main

Hell, 2 mains just like outdoors.

The only improvement I can see that triple crowns really need is to overall the points like outdoors where each main contributes directly to points standing for the series.

Just my opinion as a fan.
They did the outdoor moto format one year all year in SX. Oddly they once tried an outdoor race with only one “main” once also.
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My only complaint with the triple crown format is the event could very easily be cut to two hours. The amount of down time/commercials is ridiculous.
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Not every race, but a few sprinkled throughout the season mixes it up and makes it interesting. Btw, how many people who responded to this thread actually read the op’s entire diatribe?Whistling
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I love them, wish they were all triple crowns.
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I love it but I also understand why the racers hate them. I’d honestly love it to be a double moto format like motocross. Problem would he how you lay out the night/tv show. Was glad Dallas was a triple crown as that’s the race I got to go to this year. It’s a lot more exciting for me personally. Was so fun last night.
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RaceFace58 wrote:
I hate triple crowns. I don’t think it makes more meaningful races, I think it makes every single race LESS meaningful. Tomac would’ve been stupid if...
I hate triple crowns. I don’t think it makes more meaningful races, I think it makes every single race LESS meaningful. Tomac would’ve been stupid if he chose to try and beat Anderson in race 3. Guys crash out of races and get 12th but then are still able to podium based on the other finishes. Nothing like going 3-2-2 and winning the “race” for the night. The fact that any rider who watches likes it is disturbing. It’s aimed at the non riding spectators who think the highlight of the night was Forkner and Jett crashing. The racers hate it but why do anything to suit them?
It looked like Tomac was trying to beat Anderson in that last race to me .
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The third races are anti climactic every time. Make them all count for points. 10 for a w first race, 15 for second race, and 20 for the third.
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They are there to throw a wrench into things...
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2/27/2022 5:05pm Edited Date/Time 2/27/2022 5:05pm
More gate drops. More racing. What’s not to love?

Over the course of a SX season if every round was a triple crown we would have over two hours extra of main event level racing.

Sign me up!
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Its nice to have some variety, but i would rather see heats pay points, cause heat races have the same issues as the triple crown.
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Personally I really love them. The night seems to go much faster without the boring bits in-between.
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2/27/2022 5:17pm
kijen wrote:
Its nice to have some variety, but i would rather see heats pay points, cause heat races have the same issues as the triple crown.
But heats don't matter. They don't award anything toward the event winner. In the triple crown, all three races give awards toward the overall win.
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