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Can someone please explain , My son started riding a few years ago 14 year old on a 125 so we sign up for a local race and the beginner class has kids throwing whips and looking pro out there . The C class was crazy fast with several lorettas riders in it then the B class had fewer riders . I will take years to win the beginner class with a loaded gate and 30+ riders . Just a confused dad
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crowe660 2/15/2022 4:42am
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Race the faster class if you want to get faster.
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ElliotB16 2/15/2022 4:55am
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Start out in the beginner class and move up as he progresses and move to the top of the class. You’ll be surprised how much faster he can get in just a year or two.
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quadzrulebro 2/15/2022 5:03am
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I grew up racing in SoCal in the early 90s. It wasn’t unusual to see 2 full gates in the beginner class. With Yamaha offering $500 per racing in contingency, you better believe the beginner class was fast. Enter him in beginner. After he starts winning, move up to C.
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Gary Duck 2/15/2022 5:19am
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Beginner is your first year of racing, after that, you are a novice/C class racer. Anything else is sandbagging.
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fins227 2/15/2022 5:31am
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If you haven’t already, go hit some FTR events, or maybe try and find a not as well attended race. There will still be fast guys to learn from but you can sign up for more classes without the intimidation factor.
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dl117 2/15/2022 5:38am
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We don't have a beginner class here in MN, my son started racing last season in the C class at 15 y/o, first couple were sketchy, but over the course of the season he progresses and was a solid top 10 rider barring and crashes on his part. biggest thing is no matter where you are you are going to have the kids that are either c class life'ers or should be b class, but don't race enough races to get moved up.
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bh 2/15/2022 5:38am
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imo the local racing has been screwed by Lorretta's and the national amateur motocross scene in general. Everyone wants to go to Loretta's in C class, but not everyone makes it so you end up with these stupid fast kids staying in C for years on end in hopes of making it to Loretta's.

Honestly beginner class isn't that big of a hurdle compared to C if you are competing with national caliber type C kids. Because typically sandbaggers aren't that prevalent in D class compared to C.

The whole system is screwed up in my opinion. I believe it boils down to two problems Factory supported B class kids with 6 figure contracts and Loretta's C class being offered in the first place. If those 2 things where out of the equation more people would race B, because right now there is no incentive to race B at the local level.

This is one of those subjects I'm pretty passionate about because the only kids who typically beat me locally are the national level C class kids. And the majority of the time they are homeschooled, have multiple bikes, and ride 3-4 times a week. And for someone who like me who doesn't care to go to Loretta's because of time and finances I would rather move up to B and race faster guys, but there isn't a point because I would rather be a 2nd-3rd guy on a gate with 15-20 people than the be on a b class gate with 0-2 people. The whole move up and race faster guys point isn't really valid in my area because there are no faster guys in B because they are all in A.
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jumper23 wrote:
Can someone please explain , My son started riding a few years ago 14 year old on a 125 so we sign up for a local...
Can someone please explain , My son started riding a few years ago 14 year old on a 125 so we sign up for a local race and the beginner class has kids throwing whips and looking pro out there . The C class was crazy fast with several lorettas riders in it then the B class had fewer riders . I will take years to win the beginner class with a loaded gate and 30+ riders . Just a confused dad
Here's the guide to classes in motocross:

Beginner is B
C thinks it's A
A is actually B
B is actually A
C is actually Beginner

Hope that helps.
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moto314 2/15/2022 6:13am
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I was lucky when I started out racing back in the early 1990's they actually bumped you up if you raced the C class more than a few years and they felt you could finish in the top half of the B class. That's not the case anymore.
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murph783 2/15/2022 6:45am
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C is the beginner class here, but I think the same idea applies anywhere. Race the lowest available class to get the hang of it for a bit, then get the fuck out as soon as skill allows. The biggest issue is the difference in skill (read: ability to hold a line) from front to back. Faster classes are much more predictable, and therefore I feel safer. If you can run the pace. Who cares about race wins at the local level, just ride where you belong.
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flarider 2/15/2022 6:49am
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Which class does he have the least chance of winning, while not racing the squids of death?

That class
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jumper23 2/15/2022 7:31am
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thanks everyone for the help , this explains alot . So we will race beginner and move up to c as soon as we can . We had a blast at the race and he is motivated to improve his skills, health and strength .
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motoxxx599 2/15/2022 7:37am
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fins227 wrote:
If you haven’t already, go hit some FTR events, or maybe try and find a not as well attended race. There will still be fast guys...
If you haven’t already, go hit some FTR events, or maybe try and find a not as well attended race. There will still be fast guys to learn from but you can sign up for more classes without the intimidation factor.
1000% agree. FTR is a great series and they monitor the series more than most to make sure guys are moving up.
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GrapeApe 2/15/2022 8:20am
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If you are getting full gates in the beginner class that is a good thing. The start may be a little more intimidating but he will always have someone to race with, whether it's for 5th or 25th. Having 4 riders on the gate and spending the entire race riding alone is not as fun and it's hard to learn race craft. His skills will advance quickly and it will be pretty obvious when he's ready for C.
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spimx 2/15/2022 8:27am
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There needs to not be a c class at Loretta's
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jumper23 wrote:
Can someone please explain , My son started riding a few years ago 14 year old on a 125 so we sign up for a local...
Can someone please explain , My son started riding a few years ago 14 year old on a 125 so we sign up for a local race and the beginner class has kids throwing whips and looking pro out there . The C class was crazy fast with several lorettas riders in it then the B class had fewer riders . I will take years to win the beginner class with a loaded gate and 30+ riders . Just a confused dad
tprice07 wrote:
Here's the guide to classes in motocross: Beginner is B C thinks it's A A is actually B B is actually A C is actually Beginner...
Here's the guide to classes in motocross:

Beginner is B
C thinks it's A
A is actually B
B is actually A
C is actually Beginner

Hope that helps.
this makes sense
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jumper23 wrote:
thanks everyone for the help , this explains alot . So we will race beginner and move up to c as soon as we can...
thanks everyone for the help , this explains alot . So we will race beginner and move up to c as soon as we can . We had a blast at the race and he is motivated to improve his skills, health and strength .
Just remember to have fun.

It's easy to forget that.
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jumper23 wrote:
thanks everyone for the help , this explains alot . So we will race beginner and move up to c as soon as we can...
thanks everyone for the help , this explains alot . So we will race beginner and move up to c as soon as we can . We had a blast at the race and he is motivated to improve his skills, health and strength .
Oh, you're down here?

Oh, yeah, look into some FTR stuff, you'll have fun

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flarider 2/15/2022 9:40am
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One more thing, hit up Dean Dyess (Little Dean) at Bithlo (Orlando MX), he's a certified USMCA instructor and can help improve skill that not only make you faster, but safer.
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You got guys 16-24 needing that recognition of winning a race so they can post it on Social Media. Winning local D/Beg class is not an accomplishment. Then some people wont leave the class unless they have finished a moto in 1st or win a series. Honestly its stupid.
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flarider wrote:
One more thing, hit up Dean Dyess (Little Dean) at Bithlo (Orlando MX), he's a certified USMCA instructor and can help improve skill that not only...
One more thing, hit up Dean Dyess (Little Dean) at Bithlo (Orlando MX), he's a certified USMCA instructor and can help improve skill that not only make you faster, but safer.
yea we ride Orlando Mx once a month and Spyder and have heard good things about Pax track
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jumper23 2/15/2022 10:59am
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Leeham wrote:
You got guys 16-24[u] needing[/u] that recognition of winning a race so they can post it on Social Media. Winning local D/Beg class is not an...
You got guys 16-24 needing that recognition of winning a race so they can post it on Social Media. Winning local D/Beg class is not an accomplishment. Then some people wont leave the class unless they have finished a moto in 1st or win a series. Honestly its stupid.
you nailed it that seems exactly who were up against
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kage173 2/15/2022 11:11am
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It's called sandbagging. Welcome to motocross.
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downonmonday 2/15/2022 11:30am
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Sounds like the local races here in Illinois. C class riders with faster lap times of those in mid to top ranks in the B class. Nothing like showing off your C class trophy to the ladies.
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NSP139 2/15/2022 12:09pm
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There called NFL'S novice for life LOL! Promotors will not do anything they want the money! Self policing works best have call out the sandbaggers!
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GeorgiePorgie 2/15/2022 12:13pm
2/15/2022 12:13pm Edited Date/Time 2/15/2022 12:24pm
Because everyone wants to get to Loretta’s with the least path of resistance.

“I’m racin c for Loretta’s.”

“…Locally, yea I know I should locally be riding like…A or B. But nationally c is really fast so I gotta race c all the time.”


Then they quit. Ain’t about getting faster and better. It’s just gettin “somewhere” for the gram and clout. Which c class happens to be nowhere not “somewhere”


OP you messed up. If you woulda got involved in pw50 class you probably would of took your kid outta school. 3rd mortgaged your house and finalized a divorce by now.
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GeorgiePorgie 2/15/2022 12:22pm
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flarider wrote:
One more thing, hit up Dean Dyess (Little Dean) at Bithlo (Orlando MX), he's a certified USMCA instructor and can help improve skill that not only...
One more thing, hit up Dean Dyess (Little Dean) at Bithlo (Orlando MX), he's a certified USMCA instructor and can help improve skill that not only make you faster, but safer.
I concur. Deans a good dude. Always been fast in every class he raced. Last time I saw him was 2019 floatin down the River at Loretta’s with my daughter. I’m in the middle. Little Dean is to my left on the end….damn I miss being a kid.


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flarider wrote:
One more thing, hit up Dean Dyess (Little Dean) at Bithlo (Orlando MX), he's a certified USMCA instructor and can help improve skill that not only...
One more thing, hit up Dean Dyess (Little Dean) at Bithlo (Orlando MX), he's a certified USMCA instructor and can help improve skill that not only make you faster, but safer.
GeorgiePorgie wrote:
I concur. Deans a good dude. Always been fast in every class he raced. Last time I saw him was 2019 floatin down the River at...
I concur. Deans a good dude. Always been fast in every class he raced. Last time I saw him was 2019 floatin down the River at Loretta’s with my daughter. I’m in the middle. Little Dean is to my left on the end….damn I miss being a kid.


I met Dean a few weeks ago gona maybe go up there this weekend we like his track a lot. Cool pic thanks for sharing !!!!
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Skerby 2/15/2022 12:44pm
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I noticed at my local track, D class has blown up. Used to be 250C was the big class, now there are like 30 riders (of all skill levels) signed up for the beginner class trophy. Its honestly a lot sad, half of the guys out there jumping everything, and the fastest ones not winning because the pressure to win D gives them so much anxiety. I feel bad for the actual beginners.
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Skerby wrote:
I noticed at my local track, D class has blown up. Used to be 250C was the big class, now there are like 30 riders (of...
I noticed at my local track, D class has blown up. Used to be 250C was the big class, now there are like 30 riders (of all skill levels) signed up for the beginner class trophy. Its honestly a lot sad, half of the guys out there jumping everything, and the fastest ones not winning because the pressure to win D gives them so much anxiety. I feel bad for the actual beginners.
Depending on the track D class can be a bit wild, especially with modern 450s. I remember racing one of my last D class races and guys where hitting this fairly big uphill triple and I was blown away that nobody said anything about it like it was normal. (For anyone wondering it was catheys creek in NC, uphill triple with the fairly small landing)

I think people treat that class as a beginner to racing class rather than a beginner class rider class. At least in my area because so many people practice more than they race.
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