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Phillip_Lamb 2/6/2022 5:19pm
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Tumic wrote:
So when Roczen opens the door and Anderson takes him out it’s okay and Ken should have known better. But when Craig goes in side by...
So when Roczen opens the door and Anderson takes him out it’s okay and Ken should have known better.

But when Craig goes in side by side on the outside Friese is the big cunt?

It’s clear that friese were thinking that craig would let of, but sure as hel that this take out was not intentional.

Craig needs to be smarter than that, just as Roczen should be smarter about his lines.
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The difference is Anderson was making a block pass and when they came together, his front wheel was in front of Roczen. Friese was behind Craig...
The difference is Anderson was making a block pass and when they came together, his front wheel was in front of Roczen. Friese was behind Craig the whole time and just slammed into the rear half of his bike. The first example is an aggressive pass the second example is a t bone. Huge difference. Thats why the first one is ok and the second is not…

Both pictures are at the moment of contact, HUGE difference. Friese had no chance to pass and was not in a passing position, it was an unnessecary torpedo. THAT being said Craig has to be aware that Friese is a reckless dbag and should not have tried to pass on the outside with Friese there for his own safety.


theyre the same picture,


except people like anderson, and no one likes Friese. and friese didnt ride it out
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Glassworker 2/6/2022 5:20pm
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To me, Vince took avantage of the situation and drifted very wide and punted Craig off.
Having said that, Craig cant be suprised by contact, if you are dumb enough to pass Vince on the outside, you cant complain about the outcome. We all know Vinces reputation,

Anywho, have you heard the joke about two sandbaggers playing in a sandpit?
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Hammer 663s 2/6/2022 5:25pm
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No one was checking up on the outside line in that corner all night. The speed they carried in and thru on the outside was staggering. We had a good view into that section from our seats and we were blown away how fast that outside line was. Someone said it was dark - it was poorly lit and almost tunnel-like. And yes it was smooth, prepped with very little inside berm unlike most of the evening. I think Vince came in very hot, missed the inside line and plowed CC, who was doing the outside line blaze like every previous lap. Intentional? Tough call.

Craig was also the fastest all night in the whoops. Better than anyone although ET was close. The blue bikes looked very stable there. No kick at all.

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DKmxFAN 2/6/2022 5:44pm
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If your Craig are you more mad about the takeout? Or after the fact when he fills your face and Jersey with sand?
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Chris_Buehler 2/6/2022 6:02pm
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minidad160 wrote:
Has anyone thought about a concussion, Vince took a big hit last week and could barely stand up. Maybe he shouldn’t be out there. What is...
Has anyone thought about a concussion, Vince took a big hit last week and could barely stand up.
Maybe he shouldn’t be out there.
What is concussion protocol?
I'm with you 100%. When he got hit last week I thought for sure, well he's not racing next week. How did he not have a concussion?
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RaceFace58 2/6/2022 6:07pm
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A concussion requires a brain to be involved. I also don’t see how that didn’t cause a concussion but apparently it wasn’t. Somehow.
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
Vince should have definitely taken the inside, and perhaps it was a classic case of Vince having his blinders on and not being aware of his...
Vince should have definitely taken the inside, and perhaps it was a classic case of Vince having his blinders on and not being aware of his surroundings. But definitely wasn't in his line of sight


The old school would tell you ladies to suck it up, that's good racing.

And as you can clearly see here, Friese is on the ground, Craig just landed. Can Friese tell exactly where Craig is at this point? Maybe, but he certainly has the right to go for the line in this case.
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TeamGreen 2/6/2022 6:43pm
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Wow

I’m having a hard time figuring out howTF Vince gets out of Anaheim 3 alive Laughing

Here’s the Star Moto for A3: “Free Parking”
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
Vince should have definitely taken the inside, and perhaps it was a classic case of Vince having his blinders on and not being aware of his...
Vince should have definitely taken the inside, and perhaps it was a classic case of Vince having his blinders on and not being aware of his surroundings. But definitely wasn't in his line of sight


stone881 wrote:
The old school would tell you ladies to suck it up, that's good racing. And as you can clearly see here, Friese is on the ground...
The old school would tell you ladies to suck it up, that's good racing.

And as you can clearly see here, Friese is on the ground, Craig just landed. Can Friese tell exactly where Craig is at this point? Maybe, but he certainly has the right to go for the line in this case.
I don’t need to suck anything up as I’m not on the track. That’s racing to you? Bet you’d want to strangle a guy who took you out like that. I know I would! You always high five the racer who just took your well being into his hands? I can’t stand it when people tell me crashing into people is racing. No it is fucking crashing into people. Ever see a track meet RACE where they cross lanes and body check each other!? Wtf. No ones racing when both bikes are on their sides and a guy is tripping on electrical cords. Holy shit.
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
Vince should have definitely taken the inside, and perhaps it was a classic case of Vince having his blinders on and not being aware of his...
Vince should have definitely taken the inside, and perhaps it was a classic case of Vince having his blinders on and not being aware of his surroundings. But definitely wasn't in his line of sight


stone881 wrote:
The old school would tell you ladies to suck it up, that's good racing. And as you can clearly see here, Friese is on the ground...
The old school would tell you ladies to suck it up, that's good racing.

And as you can clearly see here, Friese is on the ground, Craig just landed. Can Friese tell exactly where Craig is at this point? Maybe, but he certainly has the right to go for the line in this case.
I’m the old school and Vince has a history of turning his brain off and doing dumb dangerous shit…Craig knows the quicker he can get around that idiot the better chance he has to gap everyone because after the first lap Vince turns into a serpentine….
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mx313 wrote:
At 1st I thought friese was 100% a bone head. But the more I see the move the more I see friese intentions. Initial thoughts was...
At 1st I thought friese was 100% a bone head.
But the more I see the move the more I see friese intentions.
Initial thoughts was 100% a stupid take out.
But thru the rhythm he was infront.
Over the last jump and run into the corner Craig pulls along side.
Friese prob thought he still had a wheel on him and if he run it hard into the corner Craig would check up. he didnt and freise took him out.
Still freise fault but I can see his decisions and understand stand his though process but his execution was poor.
This.
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GrapeApe 2/7/2022 8:54am
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I think it was 100% intentional. I think Friese has been watching Craig talk about him in the press conferences and family videos and on social media at some point decided he was going to smack that smug little smirk right off his face. Full throttle right into the swing arm, no way that was just a racing incident.
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stremme12 2/7/2022 9:11am
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Roczen needs to get with Craig's Goggle guy. Craig got up and got blasted with even more sand from Vince's rear wheel and never had an issue.
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Tbteam 2/7/2022 9:19am
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The only thing that didn't go according to plan for Friese was that he went down as well.
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scott_nz 2/7/2022 9:21am
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Yeti831 wrote:
Remember the whole Alessi/Tedesco fiasco some time ago? Only person who received any punishment (fine) was Walker for turning around and getting Alessi off Ivan’s bike...
Remember the whole Alessi/Tedesco fiasco some time ago?

Only person who received any punishment (fine) was Walker for turning around and getting Alessi off Ivan’s bike.

AMA has had their head in ass for a minute.
Alessi was dq d for the day and lost 2nd in the championship
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Gary Duck 2/7/2022 9:26am
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GrapeApe for the win!

"I think Friese has been watching Craig talk about him in the press conferences and family videos and on social media at some point decided he was going to smack that smug little smirk right off his face"

Sometimes you just need to know when to keep your mouth shut.
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RaceFace58 wrote:
A concussion requires a brain to be involved. I also don’t see how that didn’t cause a concussion but apparently it wasn’t. Somehow.
Gold.
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sandspider250 2/7/2022 11:12am
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He had the inside line handed to him on a silver platter wtf

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I really thought that Vince had corrected is style over the last few years and started focusing on racing forward. If anything, his conduct has proved me wrong. Personally, I see this as a two prong problem. One prong being Vince's overly aggressive riding, the other prong being the inability/refusal by the AMA referees to deal with the problem.

I get the argument that each potential penalty situation should be dealt with individually. This works for other than those riders that seem to make a habit of it. Perhaps this is the idea of being put on double secret probation or whatever they call it. Seems to me in the case of flagrant offenders, all of the past history should be taken into account when determining the penalty for the current violation. Penalties should be designed to deter future conduct. If the first penalty doesn't correct the conduct then a harsher penalty should be used next time.

In Vince's case we have history of crazy behavior (he was even involved in a lawsuit for some of the stuff) at some point the message has to be driven home. 10+ years of this stuff clearly shows the AMA penalty system is failing.
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mxfuture 2/7/2022 12:04pm
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dkg wrote:
I really thought that Vince had corrected is style over the last few years and started focusing on racing forward. If anything, his conduct has proved...
I really thought that Vince had corrected is style over the last few years and started focusing on racing forward. If anything, his conduct has proved me wrong. Personally, I see this as a two prong problem. One prong being Vince's overly aggressive riding, the other prong being the inability/refusal by the AMA referees to deal with the problem.

I get the argument that each potential penalty situation should be dealt with individually. This works for other than those riders that seem to make a habit of it. Perhaps this is the idea of being put on double secret probation or whatever they call it. Seems to me in the case of flagrant offenders, all of the past history should be taken into account when determining the penalty for the current violation. Penalties should be designed to deter future conduct. If the first penalty doesn't correct the conduct then a harsher penalty should be used next time.

In Vince's case we have history of crazy behavior (he was even involved in a lawsuit for some of the stuff) at some point the message has to be driven home. 10+ years of this stuff clearly shows the AMA penalty system is failing.
I'll just leave this here Wink

https://www.facebook.com/groups/MotoFightClub/posts/1994547750732589/
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dkg wrote:
I really thought that Vince had corrected is style over the last few years and started focusing on racing forward. If anything, his conduct has proved...
I really thought that Vince had corrected is style over the last few years and started focusing on racing forward. If anything, his conduct has proved me wrong. Personally, I see this as a two prong problem. One prong being Vince's overly aggressive riding, the other prong being the inability/refusal by the AMA referees to deal with the problem.

I get the argument that each potential penalty situation should be dealt with individually. This works for other than those riders that seem to make a habit of it. Perhaps this is the idea of being put on double secret probation or whatever they call it. Seems to me in the case of flagrant offenders, all of the past history should be taken into account when determining the penalty for the current violation. Penalties should be designed to deter future conduct. If the first penalty doesn't correct the conduct then a harsher penalty should be used next time.

In Vince's case we have history of crazy behavior (he was even involved in a lawsuit for some of the stuff) at some point the message has to be driven home. 10+ years of this stuff clearly shows the AMA penalty system is failing.
mxfuture wrote:
I'll just leave this here Wink

https://www.facebook.com/groups/MotoFightClub/posts/1994547750732589/
Wow! When is this idiot going to learn….if he wouldn’t of taken Craig out we would all be talking about how he rode the first race…knocked Shimoda off the track, then when he was caught again he went from the far right and crossed to the far left and took Shimoda down…how he is only on probation is mind boggling…
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Overly discussed, I liked them both but personnally I think it is a 70 (Freise) /30 (Craig) ; if Freise was fully focused on the turn then it was actually a bit hard to fully know craig was here (and so fast, and making the last centimeters needed in the last meter coming into the turn), but 1 room for thoughts :

What do you think about Freise's concussion last week possibly having an effect or a brain fart in this incident ?

I just recently rewatched the movie with Will Smith about the NFL, on concussions, and honestly, with such a hit last week, i was really suprised to see him line up this week. Maybe in this case he should have been sidelined before racing. He took a fu.... bike in his face, no way it didn't do anything.
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Cancer culture has invaded our sport. You guys sound like whiny parents at a peewee football game.
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dkg wrote:
I really thought that Vince had corrected is style over the last few years and started focusing on racing forward. If anything, his conduct has proved...
I really thought that Vince had corrected is style over the last few years and started focusing on racing forward. If anything, his conduct has proved me wrong. Personally, I see this as a two prong problem. One prong being Vince's overly aggressive riding, the other prong being the inability/refusal by the AMA referees to deal with the problem.

I get the argument that each potential penalty situation should be dealt with individually. This works for other than those riders that seem to make a habit of it. Perhaps this is the idea of being put on double secret probation or whatever they call it. Seems to me in the case of flagrant offenders, all of the past history should be taken into account when determining the penalty for the current violation. Penalties should be designed to deter future conduct. If the first penalty doesn't correct the conduct then a harsher penalty should be used next time.

In Vince's case we have history of crazy behavior (he was even involved in a lawsuit for some of the stuff) at some point the message has to be driven home. 10+ years of this stuff clearly shows the AMA penalty system is failing.
mxfuture wrote:
I'll just leave this here Wink

https://www.facebook.com/groups/MotoFightClub/posts/1994547750732589/
Hadn't seen that one, wow! I had it back to 2009. Evil Evil
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brettmx 2/7/2022 2:20pm
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
Vince should have definitely taken the inside, and perhaps it was a classic case of Vince having his blinders on and not being aware of his...
Vince should have definitely taken the inside, and perhaps it was a classic case of Vince having his blinders on and not being aware of his surroundings. But definitely wasn't in his line of sight


That was actually a pretty good line Friese took . Craig probably wasn't expecting him to do that though. Obviously the problem is that Friese, like Barcia, likes to aim right at the dead center of a rider coming into the turns. And then maybe turn, or well-- maybe not.
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Madmax31 wrote:
Cancer culture has invaded our sport. You guys sound like whiny parents at a peewee football game.
Or do we sound EXACTLY like every one of the 150 or so guys that have been on a SX track with him at any point in the past 10 years?
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RaceFace58 2/7/2022 4:07pm
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Phillip_Lamb wrote:
At this point, Vince has been racing for 10+ years. Everyone knows he's a massive road block and it's always sketchy getting around him....so why are...
At this point, Vince has been racing for 10+ years. Everyone knows he's a massive road block and it's always sketchy getting around him....so why are you try to gun it around him on the outside? What vince did was wrong and deserves a penalty, but guys need to be smarter and not assume he's going to give you room.

It's like seeing a sign that says 'hot, don't touch' and you touch it
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Blocking or rubbing in a corner to keep someone from passing you is one thing, but jumping from the inside burm to the outside burm, while...
Blocking or rubbing in a corner to keep someone from passing you is one thing, but jumping from the inside burm to the outside burm, while holding you bike wide open and blowing both of you off your bikes because your getting passed by someone who is clearly faster than you is just a pussy move.

The problem is that he's done it his entire career, and noone is doing anything about it. Has he ever ridden a straight line in his life? The reason he's so hard to pass isn't because of pure speed, but because he rides every line of every turn and every straight, and every jump.

There's a difference between riding your ass off, and riding like a douche bag.

And it's not entertainment if it's your kid, or your spouse, or your friend that he's pulling these bullshit moves on. It's professional racing, not MMA. He's a danger to everyone on the track.


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they were both pinned going to the outside, craig got a slighty better drive into the corner they were both going for, craig assumed since he...
they were both pinned going to the outside, craig got a slighty better drive into the corner they were both going for, craig assumed since he got an elbow in front, and they had a friendly chat earlier, that Friese would suddnely just lay down. Friese continues to believe he is just fast enough he can keep guys behind him with defensive riding, and knowing about how he gets paid, he probably had some bonus on the line to lead a lap/ win/ or podium one of the TC mains.

a 'smart' rider not only improves his skill but also adapts to each opponent. RC knew not to try to pass JS7 in certain situations and deliberatly held up and waited #2006washougal
Yeah I remember that time James landed on RC at Unadilla I think. Clearly RC takes at least 70% of the blame for being in the wrong spot stupidly in front of James. You know it makes such great racing when you have to eliminate half of every corner as a place to pass a slower rider named Friese. Why the f does he get to dictate that you aren’t allowed to pass me on the outside? How about this? Imagine if all 22 guys in the track raced like him!!! All zigzagging around the track like they’re all drunk. What racing that would create.
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I think it was 100% intentional. I think Friese has been watching Craig talk about him in the press conferences and family videos and on social...
I think it was 100% intentional. I think Friese has been watching Craig talk about him in the press conferences and family videos and on social media at some point decided he was going to smack that smug little smirk right off his face. Full throttle right into the swing arm, no way that was just a racing incident.
Agreed Craig has made an issue and talked or complained about the Friese issues from before A1 and plays the victim but has anyone been to the actual races ? I have seen at 2 of the races I have been to that CC has banged bars with Shimoda At both A1 and A2 (saw A2 on jo’s YouTube) and with Carson at Oakland ....Craigs contact was nothing like Friese contact incidents so if it was in a race no problem rubbing racing but my point is CC does this in free practice and qualifying or the heat race like taking Lawrence out instead of just passing him in the whoops , so if someone is faster like everyone and Craig himself has said , why does he feel the need to flex on the Kids in free practice and qualifying ! Could this be a case of the bully getting bullied ? But by no means do I condone what Friese did , just making an observation.
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