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8tensolutions 1/30/2022 8:25pm
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JB 19 wrote:
I'm a big fan of both guys and was disappointed at Anderson's move, but also told my 12 year old son that if Kenny would have...
I'm a big fan of both guys and was disappointed at Anderson's move, but also told my 12 year old son that if Kenny would have went to the inside Anderson wouldn't have had that opportunity.
Yuban156 wrote:
Exactly. Slower guys will be passed regardless. Btw does anyone have a picture of Kenny leaving the door WIDE open for cooper Webb at Daytona? What...
Exactly. Slower guys will be passed regardless. Btw does anyone have a picture of Kenny leaving the door WIDE open for cooper Webb at Daytona? What a weird move!
I think it was Atlanta, but he basically tuned his hazard lights on and pulled over.
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kiwifan 1/30/2022 8:47pm
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Gee you guys overthink everything.. Ken clearly thought the outside line was faster, it wasnt...Jason was going hell for leather on the inside and was never going to be able to get it in front without hitting Ken ...its just fucking racing !!!

according to a lot of seasoned racers/pros in this thread (excuse the heavy sarcasm) we get.... oh Ken should of taken inside line, Ken's bike is crap, Ken wasnt the faster rider and would of not won had he not gone down (despite having 2nd fastest lap time)....jeepers, Vitards are getting crazier by the day
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Yuban156 1/30/2022 8:57pm
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Gee you guys overthink everything.. Ken clearly thought the outside line was faster, it wasnt...Jason was going hell for leather on the inside and was never...
Gee you guys overthink everything.. Ken clearly thought the outside line was faster, it wasnt...Jason was going hell for leather on the inside and was never going to be able to get it in front without hitting Ken ...its just fucking racing !!!

according to a lot of seasoned racers/pros in this thread (excuse the heavy sarcasm) we get.... oh Ken should of taken inside line, Ken's bike is crap, Ken wasnt the faster rider and would of not won had he not gone down (despite having 2nd fastest lap time)....jeepers, Vitards are getting crazier by the day
Ken clearly thought wrong and was being caught by the pack. His start was his only advantage.
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grimsypro 1/31/2022 4:05am
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The thing that stood out to me is why Kenny didn't check up. Anderson had a slight edge on position and it's always the outside rider...
The thing that stood out to me is why Kenny didn't check up. Anderson had a slight edge on position and it's always the outside rider who takes it in the ass in those situations. I've seen him hang on too long before. However, it was a risky place to attempt a pass. Kind of unnecessary that early in the race.
grimsypro wrote:
Thought the same thing watched it back and ando was ahead from the middle of the corner and roczen surely would have seen him and checked...
Thought the same thing watched it back and ando was ahead from the middle of the corner and roczen surely would have seen him and checked up?
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Should have checked up?!!! That’s really just too much 🤣 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/01/30/531469/s1200_F518371F_42F3_4570_8261_6F31C6229EA1.jpg[/img]
Should have checked up?!!! That’s really just too much 🤣


Fair play from that angle
Looked like ando had a wheel on him from the other photos.
Kenny probably shoulda stayed inside knowing ando was that close.
It is what it is
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Iridereallyslow 1/31/2022 5:00am
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quadzrulebro wrote:
Put yourself in Anderson’s shoes. If you had a $100,000 bonus on the line there, would you have backed off and to let Ken through? The...
Put yourself in Anderson’s shoes. If you had a $100,000 bonus on the line there, would you have backed off and to let Ken through? The rider on the inside controls the corner. The sooner Ken learns that, the happier he’ll be.
Iridereallyslow wrote:
All of the top 8 or so riders were in Anderson's shoes going into this race. Yet Anderson is the one who's been involved in a...
All of the top 8 or so riders were in Anderson's shoes going into this race. Yet Anderson is the one who's been involved in a "racing incident" at every round this year. Anderson had the speed to pass Ken clean within another lap or so and still had 15min to make it happen so no reason to press the issue.
quadzrulebro wrote:
Anderson had it given to him by Barcia at A-1. He didn’t cry about it. If anything, I bet he learned to tighten up his lines...
Anderson had it given to him by Barcia at A-1. He didn’t cry about it. If anything, I bet he learned to tighten up his lines a bit when someone is right on his tail. You’d think Roczen might figure this out at some point. The outside line might be faster, but if you aren’t faster than the guy behind you, it’s probably not smart to take that faster line. Situational awareness is a key to success in Supercross, I suppose.
"Situational Awareness" goes both ways, that was exactly my point in my first post. Neither rider handled the situation well, which is is a 90 turn (which are not good for passing and can result in a collision), Anderson chose a line that intersected the rider in front and then they collide, yet somehow Ken gets a bigger share of the blame pie?

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kiwifan wrote:
Gee you guys overthink everything.. Ken clearly thought the outside line was faster, it wasnt...Jason was going hell for leather on the inside and was never...
Gee you guys overthink everything.. Ken clearly thought the outside line was faster, it wasnt...Jason was going hell for leather on the inside and was never going to be able to get it in front without hitting Ken ...its just fucking racing !!!

according to a lot of seasoned racers/pros in this thread (excuse the heavy sarcasm) we get.... oh Ken should of taken inside line, Ken's bike is crap, Ken wasnt the faster rider and would of not won had he not gone down (despite having 2nd fastest lap time)....jeepers, Vitards are getting crazier by the day
Yuban156 wrote:
Ken clearly thought wrong and was being caught by the pack. His start was his only advantage.
Turns out he was getting sand in his goggles and was clearing them and losing time so Kenny could blame that ( bad prep ) for letting Anderson catch him. As for the incident I’m still going with over aggressive, if it wasn’t why was Anderson apologetic.
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lostboy819 1/31/2022 1:31pm
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Iridereallyslow wrote:
All of the top 8 or so riders were in Anderson's shoes going into this race. Yet Anderson is the one who's been involved in a...
All of the top 8 or so riders were in Anderson's shoes going into this race. Yet Anderson is the one who's been involved in a "racing incident" at every round this year. Anderson had the speed to pass Ken clean within another lap or so and still had 15min to make it happen so no reason to press the issue.
quadzrulebro wrote:
Anderson had it given to him by Barcia at A-1. He didn’t cry about it. If anything, I bet he learned to tighten up his lines...
Anderson had it given to him by Barcia at A-1. He didn’t cry about it. If anything, I bet he learned to tighten up his lines a bit when someone is right on his tail. You’d think Roczen might figure this out at some point. The outside line might be faster, but if you aren’t faster than the guy behind you, it’s probably not smart to take that faster line. Situational awareness is a key to success in Supercross, I suppose.
Iridereallyslow wrote:
"Situational Awareness" goes both ways, that was exactly my point in my first post. Neither rider handled the situation well, which is is a 90 turn...
"Situational Awareness" goes both ways, that was exactly my point in my first post. Neither rider handled the situation well, which is is a 90 turn (which are not good for passing and can result in a collision), Anderson chose a line that intersected the rider in front and then they collide, yet somehow Ken gets a bigger share of the blame pie?

I think they both handled it just fine, but somebodies gonna lose. Cool
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jbrow125 1/31/2022 1:44pm
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When I watch that, I still think that Kenny should have shut off. There's so many times that these things happen b/c the riders playing who has the biggest balls, and we end up crying both sides a river here on vital. I get that you have to be tough at times, but some times you also have to shut down and concede the spot. Or should. I do think Kenny heads wide too often. He's one of the 99.9% most talented on a bike, but he'll go so high Alex or Cade would not be able to contain themselves from ruining him. I dunno. I want to hear Rick Johnson's take on this. Or Stanton.
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Joey_Bridges 1/31/2022 3:11pm
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
No change of direction by Anderson at any point from the time he entered the turn, until contact was made.
Even then he veered very little, if any, from the arc of his turn.
A righteous pass.

Just listened to Jason Thomas whine about this.
Perhaps he should take it upon himself to go into the rider's meeting and tell these guys where they can, and can't, pass on a professional SX racetrack.
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jemcee 1/31/2022 4:45pm
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
This is definitely the view that has me thinking that Kenny knew Jason was there and tried to beat him to the exit.. I think it's 50/50 blame pie haha racing incident..
50 on Kenny cause I don't think he should've went outside that angle shows there was a definite inside line and surely he could've worked out that no one was gonna follow him through the sand, so I think he was banking on his corner speed to get him out of trouble..
50 on Anderson cause there was a pretty small chance that it wasn't gonna end like this but these dudes are acting on first impulse in this shit and I believe him when he says he didn't wanna take Kenny out..
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CPR 1/31/2022 4:56pm
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Interesting take from an ex-pro, who’s done one or two of these races:


JT’s Breakdown from RacerX:

“ …Anderson knew what he was doing and never hesitated. Right or wrong, it was not an accident
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Motofinne 1/31/2022 10:04pm
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CPR wrote:
Interesting take from an ex-pro, who’s done one or two of these races: JT’s Breakdown from RacerX: “ …Anderson knew what he was doing and never...
Interesting take from an ex-pro, who’s done one or two of these races:


JT’s Breakdown from RacerX:

“ …Anderson knew what he was doing and never hesitated. Right or wrong, it was not an accident
I have so much respect for JT but i think he's completely wrong in this case.
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Brett_Clark 1/31/2022 10:37pm
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Well Kenny admitted he left the door open. So that shuts down most arguments now. Jason did what he thought was necessary and Kenny just got the shit end of the deal by making himself vulnerable.
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Magoofan 1/31/2022 11:19pm
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G-man wrote:
"Can I offer you a potato with this T-BONE?":woohoo: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/01/30/531433/s1200_FB_IMG_1643577226388.jpg[/img]
"Can I offer you a potato with this T-BONE?"Woohoo


Now replace the players with Ferrandis and Craig from a couple years ago.....

*****BOOOOOM****** Head explody time!!
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tingo 2/1/2022 8:51am
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There once was a rider named Jason,
who hopped on his bike to go racin'.
He dove to the inside,
they both held it wide,
and sand is what Kenny was tastin'.

I'll see myself out.
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TeamGreen 2/1/2022 9:04am
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G-man wrote:
"Can I offer you a potato with this T-BONE?":woohoo: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/01/30/531433/s1200_FB_IMG_1643577226388.jpg[/img]
"Can I offer you a potato with this T-BONE?"Woohoo


Magoofan wrote:
Now replace the players with Ferrandis and Craig from a couple years ago.....

*****BOOOOOM****** Head explody time!!
I laughed

Nice

quadzrulebro 2/1/2022 9:23am
2/1/2022 9:23am Edited Date/Time 2/1/2022 9:25am
G-man wrote:
"Can I offer you a potato with this T-BONE?":woohoo: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/01/30/531433/s1200_FB_IMG_1643577226388.jpg[/img]
"Can I offer you a potato with this T-BONE?"Woohoo


Magoofan wrote:
Now replace the players with Ferrandis and Craig from a couple years ago.....

*****BOOOOOM****** Head explody time!!
Ferrandis vs Craig was a completely different situation. That was an actual T bone, meaning that Ferrandis drove his front wheel into Craig, which is why Dylan fell. Dylan wouldn't have made the corner if he didn't bounce off Craig.


At no time did Jason's front wheel come in contact with Ken or his bike, because Jason was already turned and accelerating out of the corner AHEAD OF KEN when their lines came together and Ken essentially rode into the side of Jason because he refused to shut off.
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motomike137 2/1/2022 9:44am
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The more I watch this the more I don't buy El Hombre's "I don't want to be that guy" line. Watch him unlock those hips just before Roczen goes flying lol.
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KurtJ99 2/1/2022 9:44am
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CPR wrote:
Interesting take from an ex-pro, who’s done one or two of these races: JT’s Breakdown from RacerX: “ …Anderson knew what he was doing and never...
Interesting take from an ex-pro, who’s done one or two of these races:


JT’s Breakdown from RacerX:

“ …Anderson knew what he was doing and never hesitated. Right or wrong, it was not an accident
Yeah - I agree ando knew he might connect. Incredible aggressiveness early in the race and he really sent it into that sand turn.
Putting it in slo-mo really defeats the purpose - there weren't milliseconds to make decisions - Ando made the decision entering the turn.
These guys were both committed and on the gas. Great racing!
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David934 2/1/2022 2:13pm
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/01/30/531330/s1200_272968082_1889172801472821_807180274204618018_n.jpg[/img]
I dont like that style of racing. And im little dissapointed of you guys.
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yak651 2/1/2022 5:16pm
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David934 wrote:
I dont like that style of racing. And im little dissapointed of you guys.
Yep you can cherry pick photos out of a sequence and form an option. I don’t like the style of racers that wheelie into the competition in front of them…
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blockhead17 2/1/2022 6:24pm
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yak651 wrote:
Yep you can cherry pick photos out of a sequence and form an option. I don’t like the style of racers that wheelie into the competition...
Yep you can cherry pick photos out of a sequence and form an option. I don’t like the style of racers that wheelie into the competition in front of them…
Interesting thing about that photo is you can see the inside line to Jason’s right..
I thought this was lines coming together, but it’s pretty clear he has come out of his rut and over to the outside rut.
It actually gives more reason as to why Kenny wasn’t expecting it.
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yak651 2/1/2022 6:38pm
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yak651 wrote:
Yep you can cherry pick photos out of a sequence and form an option. I don’t like the style of racers that wheelie into the competition...
Yep you can cherry pick photos out of a sequence and form an option. I don’t like the style of racers that wheelie into the competition in front of them…
blockhead17 wrote:
Interesting thing about that photo is you can see the inside line to Jason’s right.. I thought this was lines coming together, but it’s pretty clear...
Interesting thing about that photo is you can see the inside line to Jason’s right..
I thought this was lines coming together, but it’s pretty clear he has come out of his rut and over to the outside rut.
It actually gives more reason as to why Kenny wasn’t expecting it.
Interesting thing is if you look at the photo before this you can clearly see the line Anderson was taking
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tingo wrote:
There once was a rider named Jason, who hopped on his bike to go racin'. He dove to the inside, they both held it wide, and...
There once was a rider named Jason,
who hopped on his bike to go racin'.
He dove to the inside,
they both held it wide,
and sand is what Kenny was tastin'.

I'll see myself out.
That's the hardest I laughed all week 🤣
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yak651 wrote:
Yep you can cherry pick photos out of a sequence and form an option. I don’t like the style of racers that wheelie into the competition...
Yep you can cherry pick photos out of a sequence and form an option. I don’t like the style of racers that wheelie into the competition in front of them…
blockhead17 wrote:
Interesting thing about that photo is you can see the inside line to Jason’s right.. I thought this was lines coming together, but it’s pretty clear...
Interesting thing about that photo is you can see the inside line to Jason’s right..
I thought this was lines coming together, but it’s pretty clear he has come out of his rut and over to the outside rut.
It actually gives more reason as to why Kenny wasn’t expecting it.
yak651 wrote:
Interesting thing is if you look at the photo before this you can clearly see the line Anderson was taking [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/02/01/531695/s1200_5ED6EB54_74FE_422C_85D5_200C8F183144.jpg[/img]
Interesting thing is if you look at the photo before this you can clearly see the line Anderson was taking
Who took these photos? All of them really pop out
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Front242 2/1/2022 9:39pm
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yak651 wrote:
Yep you can cherry pick photos out of a sequence and form an option. I don’t like the style of racers that wheelie into the competition...
Yep you can cherry pick photos out of a sequence and form an option. I don’t like the style of racers that wheelie into the competition in front of them…
blockhead17 wrote:
Interesting thing about that photo is you can see the inside line to Jason’s right.. I thought this was lines coming together, but it’s pretty clear...
Interesting thing about that photo is you can see the inside line to Jason’s right..
I thought this was lines coming together, but it’s pretty clear he has come out of his rut and over to the outside rut.
It actually gives more reason as to why Kenny wasn’t expecting it.
yak651 wrote:
Interesting thing is if you look at the photo before this you can clearly see the line Anderson was taking [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/02/01/531695/s1200_5ED6EB54_74FE_422C_85D5_200C8F183144.jpg[/img]
Interesting thing is if you look at the photo before this you can clearly see the line Anderson was taking
thats because he tried to get the bike down....to make a closer curve (shorter inside line)
try this with a bicycle and u'll see how it dives against the other direction....it just needsa little impulse thats it.

learned at driver school for motorcycle license 25y ago 0_o
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