NEW RMZ450!? oh boy.

mattyhamz2 wrote:

Absolutely. I said this in another thread earlier, but both bikes suspension was done by the same suspension tuner and both were very close in settings...

Absolutely. I said this in another thread earlier, but both bikes suspension was done by the same suspension tuner and both were very close in settings.
-The 22 stock mapping is one big downfall. Really dirty down low and once you finally get out of that window it hits unexpectedly hard.
-This is no exaggeration, the seat literally feels like you’re sitting on a 2x4 and you can feel everything through it.
-The chassis feels so rigid you can feel every bump and vibration through the bars, seat and foot pegs. The bike never felt planted. It wanted to dance around every time I hit a bump. It wore me out in just a few laps.
-Fast choppy straightaways are one part of the track I wanted to avoid if I could. The only way to avoid headshake was to do everything I could to make sure I hit zero bumps.
-The turning was really hard to figure out, I would oversteer, make adjustments to my positioning and then would understeer. I couldn’t find a sweet spot to combat this issue. Something I’ve never had a problem with on any other bike I’ve ridden before.

2007
- The 07 put the power to the ground so nicely. It was strong, but smooth. Easy to control unlike the weird mapping on the 22.
- The bike never did anything funky no matter what I hit, how hard I hit it or what angle I hit it at. It never kicked, danced around and I never got headshake. I rode all of the same lines that I rode on the 22.
- The 07 turned amazing and went exactly where I wanted it to go every time. It was precise. It settled into corners, and tracked straight over all of the acceleration bumps.
- The 07 was nowhere near the 22 in rigidity. I have to say it was one of the most comfortable feeling bikes I have ever ridden. I could trust it over just about everything. I could easily ride the 07 twice as many laps as the 22 and not be nearly as worn out.

Overall, the 22 was honestly the most uncomfortable bike I have ridden to date. I couldn’t trust it over anything really. I do think most of the issues I had with the 22 can be fixed with time and money, it’s just not money and time I’d be willing to spend.
I’d hands down pick the 07 every day of the week over the 22.

Sandusky26 wrote:

Your pretty fuckin dumb

ML512 wrote:

You're* And the chassis was all new, different suspension components but the engine and electronics were largely left untouched. They're the only OEM that has continued...

You're*

And the chassis was all new, different suspension components but the engine and electronics were largely left untouched. They're the only OEM that has continued with their original engine architecture from when they introduced their 450 back in the early to mid 2000s.

GrapeApe wrote:

Do you know if they are developing a new engine, or just putting the e-start from the RMX on the current RMZ? From the stories floating...

Do you know if they are developing a new engine, or just putting the e-start from the RMX on the current RMZ? From the stories floating around the last couple of years it doesn't seem like they have any engineers or r&d personnel on the off-road side in the US or Japan to develop a new bike.

industryoutsider391 wrote:

Clearly you never owned/rode the ‘08-‘17 RMZ. if you did you would know it was not an all new bike.

dnf736 wrote:

Think about this, and I'm probably wrong somewhere but, 2023 could bring to the SX/MX table: Beta (already purchased ML's SX trailer) Triumph (already contacted PC...

Think about this, and I'm probably wrong somewhere but, 2023 could bring to the SX/MX table:
Beta (already purchased ML's SX trailer)
Triumph (already contacted PC, per some pulp show)
A new Suzuki (per this thread)
Plus
Honda
Kawasaki
Yamaha
KTM
GASGAS
Husqvarna
Stark VARG??? (I doubt it though)
That's up to 10 OEMs racing next season, double stacked rider and manufacturer 450 class.
Would love ML512 or Swap to chime in on this.

ML512 wrote:

I said on Pulp MX show that I see 9 OEMs lining up at A1 in 2023. We''ll see if I'm right... Beta with a 450...

I said on Pulp MX show that I see 9 OEMs lining up at A1 in 2023. We''ll see if I'm right...

Beta with a 450 SX team in 2023 (they bought my semi for it)

Triumph with an in-house factory team in 450 class...maybe 250 class as well.

Not sure if we see Stark in SX come 2023...if we did that would be 10 OEMs.

Suzuki will have a new 450 for the Twisted Tea HEP boys.

LouisianaMotocross wrote:

If you think that's even a possibility for Triumph, you must know more than you are letting on about a timeline.

Zycki11 wrote:

To this day, I still want to ride the JGR rmz250 build that ML512 test rode. The bike is good looking, sounded beastly, and apparently pretty...

To this day, I still want to ride the JGR rmz250
build that ML512 test rode. The bike is good looking, sounded beastly, and apparently pretty potent. You buy a cheaper bike and then sink $$$ into suspension and an engine that you can remove at any time and sell alone. Just sounded like a fun thing to do.

Johnny Ringo wrote:

I haven’t ridden one but what exactly needs to change on the engine? Is it slow? Power delivery sucks? What do they need to change on...

I haven’t ridden one but what exactly needs to change on the engine? Is it slow? Power delivery sucks? What do they need to change on it?

Weight, a button, and better suspenders seems to be the wish list right?

Johnny Ringo wrote:

I haven’t ridden one but what exactly needs to change on the engine? Is it slow? Power delivery sucks? What do they need to change on...

I haven’t ridden one but what exactly needs to change on the engine? Is it slow? Power delivery sucks? What do they need to change on it?

Weight, a button, and better suspenders seems to be the wish list right?

ML512 wrote:

I said on Pulp MX show that I see 9 OEMs lining up at A1 in 2023. We''ll see if I'm right... Beta with a 450...

I said on Pulp MX show that I see 9 OEMs lining up at A1 in 2023. We''ll see if I'm right...

Beta with a 450 SX team in 2023 (they bought my semi for it)

Triumph with an in-house factory team in 450 class...maybe 250 class as well.

Not sure if we see Stark in SX come 2023...if we did that would be 10 OEMs.

Suzuki will have a new 450 for the Twisted Tea HEP boys.

LouisianaMotocross wrote:

If you think that's even a possibility for Triumph, you must know more than you are letting on about a timeline.

rhargrave431 wrote:

Agreed. The triumph must be way farther along in development than many think. Especially if you are saying they may even race thr 250 class.

22Ryann wrote:

They'll fuck it up rest assured.

mattyhamz2 wrote:

Absolutely. I said this in another thread earlier, but both bikes suspension was done by the same suspension tuner and both were very close in settings...

Absolutely. I said this in another thread earlier, but both bikes suspension was done by the same suspension tuner and both were very close in settings.
-The 22 stock mapping is one big downfall. Really dirty down low and once you finally get out of that window it hits unexpectedly hard.
-This is no exaggeration, the seat literally feels like you’re sitting on a 2x4 and you can feel everything through it.
-The chassis feels so rigid you can feel every bump and vibration through the bars, seat and foot pegs. The bike never felt planted. It wanted to dance around every time I hit a bump. It wore me out in just a few laps.
-Fast choppy straightaways are one part of the track I wanted to avoid if I could. The only way to avoid headshake was to do everything I could to make sure I hit zero bumps.
-The turning was really hard to figure out, I would oversteer, make adjustments to my positioning and then would understeer. I couldn’t find a sweet spot to combat this issue. Something I’ve never had a problem with on any other bike I’ve ridden before.

2007
- The 07 put the power to the ground so nicely. It was strong, but smooth. Easy to control unlike the weird mapping on the 22.
- The bike never did anything funky no matter what I hit, how hard I hit it or what angle I hit it at. It never kicked, danced around and I never got headshake. I rode all of the same lines that I rode on the 22.
- The 07 turned amazing and went exactly where I wanted it to go every time. It was precise. It settled into corners, and tracked straight over all of the acceleration bumps.
- The 07 was nowhere near the 22 in rigidity. I have to say it was one of the most comfortable feeling bikes I have ever ridden. I could trust it over just about everything. I could easily ride the 07 twice as many laps as the 22 and not be nearly as worn out.

Overall, the 22 was honestly the most uncomfortable bike I have ridden to date. I couldn’t trust it over anything really. I do think most of the issues I had with the 22 can be fixed with time and money, it’s just not money and time I’d be willing to spend.
I’d hands down pick the 07 every day of the week over the 22.

theToothPerry wrote:

Sounds to me like all your complaints could point you to just softening the bike up. I rode a 22 recently and loved it way more...

Sounds to me like all your complaints could point you to just softening the bike up. I rode a 22 recently and loved it way more than my previous generation 2019 CRF450R.

industryoutsider391 wrote:

Let’s hope Japan doesn’t fudge this release up. If they do this will most likely be the final nail in the coffin for Suzuki mx….unless their...

Let’s hope Japan doesn’t fudge this release up. If they do this will most likely be the final nail in the coffin for Suzuki mx….unless their plan is to continue marketing/producing it as THE pricepoint 450.

Zycki11 wrote:

Why would it be the final nail in the coffin? Suzuki is doing ok on money. It was a reallocation that you don’t see all of...

Why would it be the final nail in the coffin? Suzuki is doing ok on money. It was a reallocation that you don’t see all of this R&D pumping through. They offer a great bike still.

industryoutsider391 wrote:

Final nail in the mx world. They will continue selling everything else that does well for them no doubt. The bike was good when they introduced...

Final nail in the mx world. They will continue selling everything else that does well for them no doubt.

The bike was good when they introduced it in 2008. It is largely still the same machine today in 2022. Call me crazy but I am not buying a new RMZ today for the money they want when there are many other options that are far better for only a little more. If buying a new unit with old school engineering and out dated performance are your thing. Go for it.

Obviously many of us mortals will never utilize 100% of the performance…but still I could not pull the trigger on an RMZ for these reasons.

wr74 wrote:

If this is true, 2023 is going to be a big year for new bikes! New Suzi Should get an all new yzf450? Seems time. All...

If this is true, 2023 is going to be a big year for new bikes!
New Suzi
Should get an all new yzf450? Seems time.
All new kx450? Current generation has run 4 years
Crf- Honda usually does a decent “half way” upgrade on each generation
Austria’s, we know what they have in store already via the fe’s.

Socal trail rider wrote:

I feel sorry for Suzuki dealers selling these toads and turds, how do they stay in business?

mattyhamz2 wrote:

Absolutely. I said this in another thread earlier, but both bikes suspension was done by the same suspension tuner and both were very close in settings...

Absolutely. I said this in another thread earlier, but both bikes suspension was done by the same suspension tuner and both were very close in settings.
-The 22 stock mapping is one big downfall. Really dirty down low and once you finally get out of that window it hits unexpectedly hard.
-This is no exaggeration, the seat literally feels like you’re sitting on a 2x4 and you can feel everything through it.
-The chassis feels so rigid you can feel every bump and vibration through the bars, seat and foot pegs. The bike never felt planted. It wanted to dance around every time I hit a bump. It wore me out in just a few laps.
-Fast choppy straightaways are one part of the track I wanted to avoid if I could. The only way to avoid headshake was to do everything I could to make sure I hit zero bumps.
-The turning was really hard to figure out, I would oversteer, make adjustments to my positioning and then would understeer. I couldn’t find a sweet spot to combat this issue. Something I’ve never had a problem with on any other bike I’ve ridden before.

2007
- The 07 put the power to the ground so nicely. It was strong, but smooth. Easy to control unlike the weird mapping on the 22.
- The bike never did anything funky no matter what I hit, how hard I hit it or what angle I hit it at. It never kicked, danced around and I never got headshake. I rode all of the same lines that I rode on the 22.
- The 07 turned amazing and went exactly where I wanted it to go every time. It was precise. It settled into corners, and tracked straight over all of the acceleration bumps.
- The 07 was nowhere near the 22 in rigidity. I have to say it was one of the most comfortable feeling bikes I have ever ridden. I could trust it over just about everything. I could easily ride the 07 twice as many laps as the 22 and not be nearly as worn out.

Overall, the 22 was honestly the most uncomfortable bike I have ridden to date. I couldn’t trust it over anything really. I do think most of the issues I had with the 22 can be fixed with time and money, it’s just not money and time I’d be willing to spend.
I’d hands down pick the 07 every day of the week over the 22.

soggy wrote:

Yea cause your c class over 40 vet result is super important in the grand scheme