What is a controversial Moto-related opinion you have?

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Edited Date/Time 6/23/2022 7:22am
I’ll start

I think 4 strokes sound better than 2 strokes (especially your average rider on a 2 stroke).
I also think the low maintenance argument in favor of a 2 stroke is highly overrated and not very valid these days for an average speed rider.
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12/5/2021 6:45am Edited Date/Time 12/5/2021 7:19am
I think the entire points system needs a revamp. Do a 100 point system per event (indoors and out), and then throw in some bonus points for things like heat wins or fast qualifier. A 100 point system would also allow paying points for every single rider who makes a 40 rider field in the nationals. If you want to incentivize racers to tackle the challenge and sponsors to justify the expense of outdoors, give guys in 20-40 more of a reason to be out there.
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mark_swart wrote:
I think the entire points system needs a revamp. Do a 100 point system per event (indoors and out), and then throw in some bonus points...
I think the entire points system needs a revamp. Do a 100 point system per event (indoors and out), and then throw in some bonus points for things like heat wins or fast qualifier. A 100 point system would also allow paying points for every single rider who makes a 40 rider field in the nationals. If you want to incentivize racers to tackle the challenge and sponsors to justify the expense of outdoors, give guys in 20-40 more of a reason to be out there.
Agree! I hate that more and more riders are supercross only now. I also hate how we don’t seem to care about MXDN anymore. I mean I totally understand the “why”, but like you said the riders need more incentive. They’re chasing the money which is what they should do.
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Johnny Ringo
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Lorretta Lynn’s has ruined amateur racing
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Four strokes are good for racing, but boring to watch and bad for the sport.
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"mainstream" is not a thing that needs to happen.
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Oil flashpoint doesn't matter in the combustion chamber. Combustion temps are always higher.

It does matter in the crankcase though where traditional high flashpoint oil wouldn't work in an unmixed state in a TPI bike.
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Lorretta Lynn’s has ruined amateur racing
Speaking of amateurs...

Amateur nationals should not be called amateur nationals.

Winning races that have a 2-3 moto format should not crown a rider as a national champion. Rider X has 25 "amateur national" titles.

Congratulations you won 25 races.

Loretta's is a bit different since you have Regional/Area qualifiers in order to get to the ranch, but the rest of them is no different than lining up at your local race. Sure, the fastest riders usually show up at them, but does that warrant the event being called a national?
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The Nationals will continue to be pushed to the back burner by OEM's and riders until such a time comes that it will be similar to a national series in Britain, Italy etc.
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AMA motocross should go back to racing on Sundays and should have qualifying races on Saturday like the GPs . (yes the GPs will return to that.)
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mark_swart wrote:
I think the entire points system needs a revamp. Do a 100 point system per event (indoors and out), and then throw in some bonus points...
I think the entire points system needs a revamp. Do a 100 point system per event (indoors and out), and then throw in some bonus points for things like heat wins or fast qualifier. A 100 point system would also allow paying points for every single rider who makes a 40 rider field in the nationals. If you want to incentivize racers to tackle the challenge and sponsors to justify the expense of outdoors, give guys in 20-40 more of a reason to be out there.
In other words, everyone gets a trophy.

No thanks!
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12/5/2021 7:39am
I find the media at large in this sport have such an over-inflated sense of self-worth that it actively kills my interest in times due to the lack of basic information that is readily unavailable compared to major sports.
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12/5/2021 7:42am
Not really that controversial... But the real beauty of 2 strokes is that they make the ordinary weekend warrior feel like a damn hero.

That's what's missing with 4 strokes - the illusion or the hero factor of being more than just 'Joe Blogs' the Plumber etc in the week - to bad-ass with 'special secret skills' even your friends didn't know about on the weekend. It isn't nearly as convincing on a 450. Ass on the back of the seat, screaming the RM 125 in 4th down a straight away makes you feel in that moment like more than you are (even if in reality you aren't going that fast)...

Today the bikes are too fast, too expensive, require too much physical conditioning from the average person playing at it on the weekends (with probably his slight beer gut and family commitments i.e most of us...), are too punishing when you crash them. And again, and most of all; the gap between the guys that want the illusion of being good and the riders that are actually good and have the time money and resources to do things properly has never felt wider. It's always been wide but now it feels it.
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mark_swart wrote:
I think the entire points system needs a revamp. Do a 100 point system per event (indoors and out), and then throw in some bonus points...
I think the entire points system needs a revamp. Do a 100 point system per event (indoors and out), and then throw in some bonus points for things like heat wins or fast qualifier. A 100 point system would also allow paying points for every single rider who makes a 40 rider field in the nationals. If you want to incentivize racers to tackle the challenge and sponsors to justify the expense of outdoors, give guys in 20-40 more of a reason to be out there.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
In other words, everyone gets a trophy.

No thanks!
Absolutely not. By that logic, I guess 11-22 in SX main events shouldn't get points either? It makes no sense that riders make the main events outdoors and don't get any points.
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I find the media at large in this sport have such an over-inflated sense of self-worth that it actively kills my interest in times due to...
I find the media at large in this sport have such an over-inflated sense of self-worth that it actively kills my interest in times due to the lack of basic information that is readily unavailable compared to major sports.
I was coming here to say the exact same thing! I just don't find interviews where the interviewer tries to insert themselves into the story as being remotely interesting - a certain mxgp journalist does this and i just find it cringeworthy. There is also a distinct lack of journalism, at least in Europe, that attempts to hold the people who run the sport to account - something i find quite shocking as i feel the majority of fans would want to see this!

Statistics are at a low level in the sport and if you live in Europe certain people act like the sport began in 2004. This is before you try and attempt to just simply find the results of national championship races, which in some cases takes real effort. This is a shame as it results, in my opinion, in a very disjointed sport internationally. Something similar to the PCS website in cycling is needed.

Other than this, mesh start gates and 'deep-tilling' aren't necessary.
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mark_swart wrote:
I think the entire points system needs a revamp. Do a 100 point system per event (indoors and out), and then throw in some bonus points...
I think the entire points system needs a revamp. Do a 100 point system per event (indoors and out), and then throw in some bonus points for things like heat wins or fast qualifier. A 100 point system would also allow paying points for every single rider who makes a 40 rider field in the nationals. If you want to incentivize racers to tackle the challenge and sponsors to justify the expense of outdoors, give guys in 20-40 more of a reason to be out there.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
In other words, everyone gets a trophy.

No thanks!
mark_swart wrote:
Absolutely not. By that logic, I guess 11-22 in SX main events shouldn't get points either? It makes no sense that riders make the main events...
Absolutely not. By that logic, I guess 11-22 in SX main events shouldn't get points either? It makes no sense that riders make the main events outdoors and don't get any points.
Here's the thing. SX has 22 gates and MX has 40 gates.

SX has 40 riders make the night show. From there 22 make the main event. 22 riders out of 40 score points.

MX has sometimes 80 riders attempt to make the races. 40 riders make the "main" and 20 riders score points.

+/- the same amount of riders score points.
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Our sport will never be mainstream and that’s okay by me.
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mark_swart wrote:
I think the entire points system needs a revamp. Do a 100 point system per event (indoors and out), and then throw in some bonus points...
I think the entire points system needs a revamp. Do a 100 point system per event (indoors and out), and then throw in some bonus points for things like heat wins or fast qualifier. A 100 point system would also allow paying points for every single rider who makes a 40 rider field in the nationals. If you want to incentivize racers to tackle the challenge and sponsors to justify the expense of outdoors, give guys in 20-40 more of a reason to be out there.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
In other words, everyone gets a trophy.

No thanks!
mark_swart wrote:
Absolutely not. By that logic, I guess 11-22 in SX main events shouldn't get points either? It makes no sense that riders make the main events...
Absolutely not. By that logic, I guess 11-22 in SX main events shouldn't get points either? It makes no sense that riders make the main events outdoors and don't get any points.
Completely different . Don't get me wrong . Qualifying for a National is a great accomplishment but finishing in the points should be something to strive for . I don't think 21st and 22nd place should get points in SX either.
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YZ ESR 325 is not the best bike on the world...
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Not really that controversial... But the real beauty of 2 strokes is that they make the ordinary weekend warrior feel like a damn hero. That's what's...
Not really that controversial... But the real beauty of 2 strokes is that they make the ordinary weekend warrior feel like a damn hero.

That's what's missing with 4 strokes - the illusion or the hero factor of being more than just 'Joe Blogs' the Plumber etc in the week - to bad-ass with 'special secret skills' even your friends didn't know about on the weekend. It isn't nearly as convincing on a 450. Ass on the back of the seat, screaming the RM 125 in 4th down a straight away makes you feel in that moment like more than you are (even if in reality you aren't going that fast)...

Today the bikes are too fast, too expensive, require too much physical conditioning from the average person playing at it on the weekends (with probably his slight beer gut and family commitments i.e most of us...), are too punishing when you crash them. And again, and most of all; the gap between the guys that want the illusion of being good and the riders that are actually good and have the time money and resources to do things properly has never felt wider. It's always been wide but now it feels it.
"And again, and most of all; the gap between the guys that want the illusion of being good and the riders that are actually good and have the time money and resources to do things properly has never felt wider. It's always been wide but now it feels it."

What an absolutely succinct statement that I haven't been able to put in words for years, I think you've really hit on something here.

Like the gap between the fast guys at the track now, and the gap 10 years ago feels 8-10x bigger now. Seeing somebody hit the rev limiter screaming up a triple on a 450 is just mind boggling if you aren't very familiar with the sport and how hard it is at times.
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YZ ESR 325 is not the best bike on the world...
Laughing Ha, gold.
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Lorretta Lynn’s has ruined amateur racing
I'll add training facilities to your list.
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YZ ESR 325 is not the best bike on the world...
I miss Tony.

That's my controversial moto opinion
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Crush wrote:
Four strokes are good for racing, but boring to watch and bad for the sport.
The sport was better for riders, racers and viewers when on 2-strokes.
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2-stroke purists are the hipsters of the moto world.
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YZ ESR 325 is not the best bike on the world...
I agree. My 200 xc-w is! Ok, at least for me.
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Three qualifiers and a main.....if there's too many riders...semis..quarters...etc..
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I want a true 125 class brought back to the Nationals. The GP's do a two day format and make room. Or squeeze the class in on Saturday's with 2 x 20min motos. Manufactures support the 125 class a bunch in the GP's........they would support us here too , but we first have to make the class.
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Is it really 4 strokes that ruined the tight racing, or guys like Ricky Carmichael who took training to the extreme, which is now the norm that separates the field?

Triple crown races kind of prove this with new race winners from guys that have the speed, just not the insane endurance of those athletes with personal trainers and ability/time to push it during the week. The sad sad lives of a top tier rider with no life outside of their “job” to be the best. Probably seems much cooler from the outside looking in. Ask James
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Semi races in SX suck.
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