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Sully 11/18/2021 3:42pm
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Go watch Gary Baileys video from Saturday practice. RC actually quads out. Edit* RC doesn’t quad but does the same thing as stew. It looks a...
Go watch Gary Baileys video from Saturday practice. RC actually quads out.

Edit* RC doesn’t quad but does the same thing as stew. It looks a little sketchier on Saturday?
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Do you have a link? Would love to check it.
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https://youtu.be/VAEwCfeE7y8
Slight topic change; those throwback yellow YZs Reed and DV were riding that year looked so freaking cool.
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Johnny Ringo 11/18/2021 3:48pm
11/18/2021 3:48pm
That kawi sounded soooo good though.
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JOE_SPROCKETS#1 11/18/2021 3:56pm
11/18/2021 3:56pm Edited Date/Time 11/18/2021 3:57pm
Someone post up the Daytona jump. Both were special but man stew just amazing sometimes.
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theToothPerry 11/18/2021 3:58pm
11/18/2021 3:58pm
Johnny Ringo wrote:
Terrible analogy. Two strokes are no longer “modern”. In 2005, they were. James’ KX was fast. He’s not pulling these kind of starts if he’s on...
Terrible analogy. Two strokes are no longer “modern”. In 2005, they were. James’ KX was fast. He’s not pulling these kind of starts if he’s on something that slow. Was he at a disadvantage? For sure. 18 seconds of a disadvantage? No.


A 2022 KTM husky or Gas Gas for that matter 250 two stroke is as modern as they come in regards to two strokes. Much much better than what was available in 2005. You still wouldn’t be able to hold a candle to a modern 450. I don’t think anyone on a 2005 KX250 would be able to hang with a 2005 CRF450r. Just simple math.
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rosebud441 11/18/2021 4:08pm
11/18/2021 4:08pm
theToothPerry wrote:
A 2022 KTM husky or Gas Gas for that matter 250 two stroke is as modern as they come in regards to two strokes. Much much...
A 2022 KTM husky or Gas Gas for that matter 250 two stroke is as modern as they come in regards to two strokes. Much much better than what was available in 2005. You still wouldn’t be able to hold a candle to a modern 450. I don’t think anyone on a 2005 KX250 would be able to hang with a 2005 CRF450r. Just simple math.
How much more did the 05 450 weigh over the 05 250? idk..
we must include that in our equation..

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theToothPerry 11/18/2021 4:14pm
11/18/2021 4:14pm
rosebud441 wrote:
How much more did the 05 450 weigh over the 05 250? idk..
we must include that in our equation..

True. But that heavier weight disadvantage with more horsepower just means more power to the ground in my eyes.
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Johnny Ringo 11/18/2021 4:23pm
11/18/2021 4:23pm
rosebud441 wrote:
How much more did the 05 450 weigh over the 05 250? idk..
we must include that in our equation..

theToothPerry wrote:
True. But that heavier weight disadvantage with more horsepower just means more power to the ground in my eyes.
I don’t think that’s how it works…
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Timo 11/18/2021 5:15pm
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theToothPerry wrote:
A 2022 KTM husky or Gas Gas for that matter 250 two stroke is as modern as they come in regards to two strokes. Much much...
A 2022 KTM husky or Gas Gas for that matter 250 two stroke is as modern as they come in regards to two strokes. Much much better than what was available in 2005. You still wouldn’t be able to hold a candle to a modern 450. I don’t think anyone on a 2005 KX250 would be able to hang with a 2005 CRF450r. Just simple math.
rosebud441 wrote:
How much more did the 05 450 weigh over the 05 250? idk..
we must include that in our equation..

Before fuel pumps and electric start 450's were actually pretty light. I bet RC's 04 Honda was close to a 250 in weight. Copper is heavy...
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theToothPerry 11/18/2021 5:51pm
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
I don’t think that’s how it works…
You’re right. JS should’ve been beating everyone no problem on that bike. He just isn’t that good.
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Forty 11/18/2021 8:06pm
11/18/2021 8:06pm
Johnny Ringo wrote:
This moto RC actually tips over and makes up 18 seconds on James before getting landed on. Think about that haha. As fast as James looks...
This moto RC actually tips over and makes up 18 seconds on James before getting landed on.

Think about that haha. As fast as James looks there, RC was yarding him everywhere else
TannerMxer wrote:
While you're not incorrect, think about how much power Stew was giving up in every uphill, especially with the screw u turn, places like that.
Johnny Ringo wrote:
Can’t blame giving up an 18 second gap entirely on the bike.
If James had had an equal bike RC wouldn’t have seen him that day.
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Phillip_Lamb 11/18/2021 9:07pm
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Sideways wrote:
Man he could ride a bike like no other. 250 smoker vs Rc on 450. Even though it looks like RC was catching him, he must...
Man he could ride a bike like no other. 250 smoker vs Rc on 450.

Even though it looks like RC was catching him, he must have gained 1sec alone in that section.

while he had a better line, with the long big hills his 250 was getting eaten up. at one point in the race he was 13+ on RC and got caught
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Motofinne 11/18/2021 9:48pm
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That was incredible
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CPR 11/18/2021 10:14pm
11/18/2021 10:14pm
Johnny Ringo wrote:
Can’t blame giving up an 18 second gap entirely on the bike.
theToothPerry wrote:
Put ET on a modern 2 stroke and Kenny on a modern four stroke. I bet Kenny wins by a little more than 18 seconds. Bike...
Put ET on a modern 2 stroke and Kenny on a modern four stroke. I bet Kenny wins by a little more than 18 seconds. Bike has tons to do with it. They race 250t against 250fs in Europe for a reason.
The competitive difference between a 250 2t and a 450 in 2005 was much much closer than now.

In 2005 the majority of pros were still choosing to ride two strokes in SX because they were lighter and sharper. Outdoors that slight edge was reversed in favour of the four stroke, mainly due to better tractability.

Move forward to 2021 and 450s have had another 16 years of development focus; lighter, efi and programable ignitions etc etc. 2t development in the same period? Not so much.

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Looby321 11/18/2021 11:37pm
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BobPA wrote:
Same, I was standing on the inside of that section for the whole moto...Actually just about the whole day.
Yep, we used to camp out on the hill for the duration of the days motos. During practice we would stand against the fence on the hill leading up to that section and the amount of speed all those dudes would carry up it was mind boggling.
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Sawfish 11/19/2021 12:24am
11/19/2021 12:24am
God damn I miss Stew. Grateful that I was able to watch him race in person so many times. Even though he lapped me the one time we lined up as kids. Laughing
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Sandusky26 11/19/2021 12:37am
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rosebud441 wrote:
How much more did the 05 450 weigh over the 05 250? idk..
we must include that in our equation..

theToothPerry wrote:
True. But that heavier weight disadvantage with more horsepower just means more power to the ground in my eyes.
450’s gained weight when they went EFI.
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Sandusky26 11/19/2021 12:38am
11/19/2021 12:38am
TannerMxer wrote:
While you're not incorrect, think about how much power Stew was giving up in every uphill, especially with the screw u turn, places like that.
Johnny Ringo wrote:
Can’t blame giving up an 18 second gap entirely on the bike.
Forty wrote:
If James had had an equal bike RC wouldn’t have seen him that day.
He had an equal bike in 06 and 07.
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Forty 11/19/2021 5:14am
11/19/2021 5:14am
Johnny Ringo wrote:
Can’t blame giving up an 18 second gap entirely on the bike.
Forty wrote:
If James had had an equal bike RC wouldn’t have seen him that day.
Sandusky26 wrote:
He had an equal bike in 06 and 07.
For the record I don’t agree with you on this but it’s another thread topic. my post says “that day”
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yak651 11/19/2021 5:31am
11/19/2021 5:31am
Too bad Big Lenny can't chime in...or P, remember that dude. He would throw his napkins arguing over Stew
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Fouled Plug 11/19/2021 5:32am
11/19/2021 5:32am
Johnny Ringo wrote:
Terrible analogy. Two strokes are no longer “modern”. In 2005, they were. James’ KX was fast. He’s not pulling these kind of starts if he’s on...
Terrible analogy. Two strokes are no longer “modern”. In 2005, they were. James’ KX was fast. He’s not pulling these kind of starts if he’s on something that slow. Was he at a disadvantage? For sure. 18 seconds of a disadvantage? No.


theToothPerry wrote:
A 2022 KTM husky or Gas Gas for that matter 250 two stroke is as modern as they come in regards to two strokes. Much much...
A 2022 KTM husky or Gas Gas for that matter 250 two stroke is as modern as they come in regards to two strokes. Much much better than what was available in 2005. You still wouldn’t be able to hold a candle to a modern 450. I don’t think anyone on a 2005 KX250 would be able to hang with a 2005 CRF450r. Just simple math.
My man. Did you happen to see Ryan Hughes at Loretta Lynn's this year? A 1986 Honda CR250 against everything modern. I don't care if it had some 'trick' parts on it. It's still archaic compared to modern motorcycles, and he still served up an ass whoopin' on it.
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ATKpilot99 11/19/2021 5:50am
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yak651 wrote:
Too bad Big Lenny can't chime in...or P, remember that dude. He would throw his napkins arguing over Stew
Lenny get clicked again ?
vansnxtweek489 11/19/2021 5:58am
11/19/2021 5:58am
God knows that bike sounded good, so clean
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Sandusky26 11/19/2021 7:12am
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Fouled Plug wrote:
My man. Did you happen to see Ryan Hughes at Loretta Lynn's this year? A 1986 Honda CR250 against everything modern. I don't care if it...
My man. Did you happen to see Ryan Hughes at Loretta Lynn's this year? A 1986 Honda CR250 against everything modern. I don't care if it had some 'trick' parts on it. It's still archaic compared to modern motorcycles, and he still served up an ass whoopin' on it.

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TannerMxer 11/19/2021 8:14am
11/19/2021 8:14am
Motocrossjunky wrote:
Let’s hope there is a video of him riding this too [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/19/518986/s1200_4EE7A277_C466_4257_B18F_B9B6C31F3F55.jpg[/img]
Let’s hope there is a video of him riding this too
Looks like he's lost some weight. I'm really glad he enjoyed himself after retiring and being a dad, but it is always cool to see people lose weight in general. Awesome to see him smilin.
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Hank_Thrill 11/19/2021 8:19am
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in 2005 a 250 two stroke is no match for RC's 450. I love watching footage of Stew ride the crap out of that bike but at that level, especially RC, you need every advantage you can get. It's still amazing to think how many legends Stew was able to beat on his Kawasaki SR 250.
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LoudLove 11/19/2021 10:07am
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Hank_Thrill wrote:
in 2005 a 250 two stroke is no match for RC's 450. I love watching footage of Stew ride the crap out of that bike but...
in 2005 a 250 two stroke is no match for RC's 450. I love watching footage of Stew ride the crap out of that bike but at that level, especially RC, you need every advantage you can get. It's still amazing to think how many legends Stew was able to beat on his Kawasaki SR 250.
“In 20XX a _______ was no match for RC”. Any MX combo of year/bike/rider works…
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jjavaman 11/19/2021 10:12am
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Motocrossjunky wrote:
Let’s hope there is a video of him riding this too [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/19/518986/s1200_4EE7A277_C466_4257_B18F_B9B6C31F3F55.jpg[/img]
Let’s hope there is a video of him riding this too
Waiting for the RC4 nut huggers to post a pic of RC4 telling us how much better RC4 looks sitting on the bike….
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Nathaniel129 11/19/2021 11:36am
11/19/2021 11:36am
jjavaman wrote:
Waiting for the RC4 nut huggers to post a pic of RC4 telling us how much better RC4 looks sitting on the bike….
So it's a better look to beat them to the punch by posting this nonsense? Good for you.

You can be a fan of Stewart AND RC, they respect the hell out of each other these days, so simmer down.
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Moto_Geek 11/19/2021 11:56am
11/19/2021 11:56am
I always wonder if the PED controversy didn't happen if we would of had JS7 a few more years to watch is radness!
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