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What do i expect from them? Not do similar as Lupino or Bogers.

Well to be honest i didnt expect more of Watson because i dont see what others apparantly see in him.

But for TKO with his results in mx2 & his long body being a better fit in the 450 in theory, i would have expected a season more like what Jonass did in his debut year.
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TKO got stronger in the final six or so rounds. A quick look at the lap charts shows that he made plenty of passes at Trentino and Mantova where most people seemed to finish where they started.

With back to back races in 2021, once you're mid season it's hard to find the last pieces of the puzzle as mid-week testing isn't as easy to conduct. He figured it out a little too late but it was a solid rookie season nevertheless.
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roninho wrote:
What do i expect from them? Not do similar as Lupino or Bogers. Well to be honest i didnt expect more of Watson because i dont...
What do i expect from them? Not do similar as Lupino or Bogers.

Well to be honest i didnt expect more of Watson because i dont see what others apparantly see in him.

But for TKO with his results in mx2 & his long body being a better fit in the 450 in theory, i would have expected a season more like what Jonass did in his debut year.
Jonass is going to be a guy who struggles to last a season IMO, he seems to crash too much.

Watson did what was asked of him , which was put in a solid first season and not get hurt, he would be there for next year if RVDM didnt take out Vialle in a practice crash, A second year with the team would have shoiwn where he truly was, . I dont think Coldenhoff has delivered what he should have this season, and another year like that, i can see him having to look elsewhere. Seewer has stepped up after a difficult start through ilness and injury .


Lupino is one of the most underrated riders in 450 IMO , and Bogers has delivered the potential he could have shown before his bad injury.

This is MXGP, where the top 6 could be made up of 15 guys and while there are only maybe 6 who can win a moto, there are 15 guys who have the speed to be 6th .

So its easy to go ' they should be better' , but not everyone can be top 6 . So when these guys run 12th , there isnt 3 guys in front of them that dont belong there.

Its a deep class and very tight.

Looking at it the other way , who do you put on the bikes instead of Olsen and Watson .. i dont see amyone better.

I dont see Renaux doing better than Watson in his first year.


And also dont forget we had one Honda , and one Kawasaki missing for most of the season.

They are all good riders, i dont see anyone on a ride they dont deserve.
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Ray_MXS wrote:
Nice! He surprised me how decent he was on that bike. He had been going backwards quite a bit in MX2 the last few years so...
Nice! He surprised me how decent he was on that bike. He had been going backwards quite a bit in MX2 the last few years so didn't have big hopes. Also the fact that Anton Gole kept pace with him in the Swedish championship. But Östlund was sooo much faster than Gole in MXGP it wasn't even close.
themrtoad wrote:
Surprised me too. Judging by his performances in the latter stages of his mx2-career I wouldn’t bet any money he could even score points in mxgp...
Surprised me too. Judging by his performances in the latter stages of his mx2-career I wouldn’t bet any money he could even score points in mxgp. He was way better than expected, even on hardpack!
philG wrote:
It says that unless you are a factory bike in MX2, you cant really show anything. Without factory horsepower, you dont get out of the gate...
It says that unless you are a factory bike in MX2, you cant really show anything.

Without factory horsepower, you dont get out of the gate, and if you dont get out of the gate , you are mired with 15 other guys that dont have the power either.

This is why the likes of Forato, and Fredericksen need to be on a 450 NOW.. because they are too big for a 250, and will do nothing in MX2 without factory engines. Forato realised that , Fredericksen needs to .

We saw Olsen and Watson both struggle in 250 because of their size , Ostlund was just doing the same , but on a much slower bike.

Unless you are named Fernandez.
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11/18/2021 12:13pm
philG wrote:
Jonass is going to be a guy who struggles to last a season IMO, he seems to crash too much. Watson did what was asked of...
Jonass is going to be a guy who struggles to last a season IMO, he seems to crash too much.

Watson did what was asked of him , which was put in a solid first season and not get hurt, he would be there for next year if RVDM didnt take out Vialle in a practice crash, A second year with the team would have shoiwn where he truly was, . I dont think Coldenhoff has delivered what he should have this season, and another year like that, i can see him having to look elsewhere. Seewer has stepped up after a difficult start through ilness and injury .


Lupino is one of the most underrated riders in 450 IMO , and Bogers has delivered the potential he could have shown before his bad injury.

This is MXGP, where the top 6 could be made up of 15 guys and while there are only maybe 6 who can win a moto, there are 15 guys who have the speed to be 6th .

So its easy to go ' they should be better' , but not everyone can be top 6 . So when these guys run 12th , there isnt 3 guys in front of them that dont belong there.

Its a deep class and very tight.

Looking at it the other way , who do you put on the bikes instead of Olsen and Watson .. i dont see amyone better.

I dont see Renaux doing better than Watson in his first year.


And also dont forget we had one Honda , and one Kawasaki missing for most of the season.

They are all good riders, i dont see anyone on a ride they dont deserve.
Without injury, Renaux could perform a lot better than Watson I think!
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roninho wrote:
What do i expect from them? Not do similar as Lupino or Bogers. Well to be honest i didnt expect more of Watson because i dont...
What do i expect from them? Not do similar as Lupino or Bogers.

Well to be honest i didnt expect more of Watson because i dont see what others apparantly see in him.

But for TKO with his results in mx2 & his long body being a better fit in the 450 in theory, i would have expected a season more like what Jonass did in his debut year.
philG wrote:
Jonass is going to be a guy who struggles to last a season IMO, he seems to crash too much. Watson did what was asked of...
Jonass is going to be a guy who struggles to last a season IMO, he seems to crash too much.

Watson did what was asked of him , which was put in a solid first season and not get hurt, he would be there for next year if RVDM didnt take out Vialle in a practice crash, A second year with the team would have shoiwn where he truly was, . I dont think Coldenhoff has delivered what he should have this season, and another year like that, i can see him having to look elsewhere. Seewer has stepped up after a difficult start through ilness and injury .


Lupino is one of the most underrated riders in 450 IMO , and Bogers has delivered the potential he could have shown before his bad injury.

This is MXGP, where the top 6 could be made up of 15 guys and while there are only maybe 6 who can win a moto, there are 15 guys who have the speed to be 6th .

So its easy to go ' they should be better' , but not everyone can be top 6 . So when these guys run 12th , there isnt 3 guys in front of them that dont belong there.

Its a deep class and very tight.

Looking at it the other way , who do you put on the bikes instead of Olsen and Watson .. i dont see amyone better.

I dont see Renaux doing better than Watson in his first year.


And also dont forget we had one Honda , and one Kawasaki missing for most of the season.

They are all good riders, i dont see anyone on a ride they dont deserve.
I am not saying they dont deserve a ride. I'm saying that i did not see them make a relative jump in performance by moving to mxgp and riding a 450 over a 250.
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themrtoad wrote:
Surprised me too. Judging by his performances in the latter stages of his mx2-career I wouldn’t bet any money he could even score points in mxgp...
Surprised me too. Judging by his performances in the latter stages of his mx2-career I wouldn’t bet any money he could even score points in mxgp. He was way better than expected, even on hardpack!
philG wrote:
It says that unless you are a factory bike in MX2, you cant really show anything. Without factory horsepower, you dont get out of the gate...
It says that unless you are a factory bike in MX2, you cant really show anything.

Without factory horsepower, you dont get out of the gate, and if you dont get out of the gate , you are mired with 15 other guys that dont have the power either.

This is why the likes of Forato, and Fredericksen need to be on a 450 NOW.. because they are too big for a 250, and will do nothing in MX2 without factory engines. Forato realised that , Fredericksen needs to .

We saw Olsen and Watson both struggle in 250 because of their size , Ostlund was just doing the same , but on a much slower bike.

ferrys123 wrote:
Unless you are named Fernandez.
You see people step up and be good for the odd race in MXGP quite often, I would bet he isn’t that good very often when he moves up for good
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11/18/2021 1:34pm
philG wrote:
Jonass is going to be a guy who struggles to last a season IMO, he seems to crash too much. Watson did what was asked of...
Jonass is going to be a guy who struggles to last a season IMO, he seems to crash too much.

Watson did what was asked of him , which was put in a solid first season and not get hurt, he would be there for next year if RVDM didnt take out Vialle in a practice crash, A second year with the team would have shoiwn where he truly was, . I dont think Coldenhoff has delivered what he should have this season, and another year like that, i can see him having to look elsewhere. Seewer has stepped up after a difficult start through ilness and injury .


Lupino is one of the most underrated riders in 450 IMO , and Bogers has delivered the potential he could have shown before his bad injury.

This is MXGP, where the top 6 could be made up of 15 guys and while there are only maybe 6 who can win a moto, there are 15 guys who have the speed to be 6th .

So its easy to go ' they should be better' , but not everyone can be top 6 . So when these guys run 12th , there isnt 3 guys in front of them that dont belong there.

Its a deep class and very tight.

Looking at it the other way , who do you put on the bikes instead of Olsen and Watson .. i dont see amyone better.

I dont see Renaux doing better than Watson in his first year.


And also dont forget we had one Honda , and one Kawasaki missing for most of the season.

They are all good riders, i dont see anyone on a ride they dont deserve.
I really expected more from Benestandt I actually had him as a title guy to top 5 with the way he rode last year his race fitness was on point. Llooked like he lost that this year. Next year I’m saying top 5 still.
Watson I thought I’d see more from him to be honest I think he needed to mix it more with the Hoff for him to be noticed.
I think Hoff under delivered.
Was really impressed with Young Hoffer he’s going to be good next year.
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I expected more from TKO. Not so much from Watson, he seems a bit scared on hardpack(I don’t blame him) But TKO never had balls to the walls speed in mx2 either really. He was consistent, and won the odd race here and there when faster riders screwed up. I can’t name faster riders that should have got their rides instead though. As a swede, I’m always more impressed when swedish riders score good points that’s not on a sandtrack, therefore I was impressed by Östlund. Watson to me is a lot like a swedish rider in his set of skills, and weakness.
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philG wrote:
Jonass is going to be a guy who struggles to last a season IMO, he seems to crash too much. Watson did what was asked of...
Jonass is going to be a guy who struggles to last a season IMO, he seems to crash too much.

Watson did what was asked of him , which was put in a solid first season and not get hurt, he would be there for next year if RVDM didnt take out Vialle in a practice crash, A second year with the team would have shoiwn where he truly was, . I dont think Coldenhoff has delivered what he should have this season, and another year like that, i can see him having to look elsewhere. Seewer has stepped up after a difficult start through ilness and injury .


Lupino is one of the most underrated riders in 450 IMO , and Bogers has delivered the potential he could have shown before his bad injury.

This is MXGP, where the top 6 could be made up of 15 guys and while there are only maybe 6 who can win a moto, there are 15 guys who have the speed to be 6th .

So its easy to go ' they should be better' , but not everyone can be top 6 . So when these guys run 12th , there isnt 3 guys in front of them that dont belong there.

Its a deep class and very tight.

Looking at it the other way , who do you put on the bikes instead of Olsen and Watson .. i dont see amyone better.

I dont see Renaux doing better than Watson in his first year.


And also dont forget we had one Honda , and one Kawasaki missing for most of the season.

They are all good riders, i dont see anyone on a ride they dont deserve.
I really expected more from Benestandt I actually had him as a title guy to top 5 with the way he rode last year his race...
I really expected more from Benestandt I actually had him as a title guy to top 5 with the way he rode last year his race fitness was on point. Llooked like he lost that this year. Next year I’m saying top 5 still.
Watson I thought I’d see more from him to be honest I think he needed to mix it more with the Hoff for him to be noticed.
I think Hoff under delivered.
Was really impressed with Young Hoffer he’s going to be good next year.
Benistant is always entertaining to watch at least. 259 not so much this year. Hofer will give Vialle some trouble next year if he can keep good starts and confidence in himself
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So Evans is 100% confirmed for HRC Honda?
He signed a multi year deal at the end of last year so yes
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Jed Beaton to MXGP-class with F&H Kawasaki.
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Without injury, Renaux could perform a lot better than Watson I think!
We will see soon enough, he is a great rider, whatever happens.

But he has to stay fit , Watson has been solid and reliable for a first season, hasnt lobbed it trying to ride over his head.

If he had known he was going to be one and done, maybe he would have stuck his neck out a bit more, but that isnt how he works.


I would love to see him at Kawi with Febvre at Ice One.. they ran Nathan Watson on Husky as a third guy, and i think Ben got on well with Romain at Yamaha.. again, i dont look at Boisrame and think he should be a factory 450 guy. He hasnt done enough in MX2 .
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philG wrote:
It says that unless you are a factory bike in MX2, you cant really show anything. Without factory horsepower, you dont get out of the gate...
It says that unless you are a factory bike in MX2, you cant really show anything.

Without factory horsepower, you dont get out of the gate, and if you dont get out of the gate , you are mired with 15 other guys that dont have the power either.

This is why the likes of Forato, and Fredericksen need to be on a 450 NOW.. because they are too big for a 250, and will do nothing in MX2 without factory engines. Forato realised that , Fredericksen needs to .

We saw Olsen and Watson both struggle in 250 because of their size , Ostlund was just doing the same , but on a much slower bike.

Bidirella wrote:
Olsen and Watson struggle in MXGP to. Expected allot more out off those guys because of the reason you said, but in real time this season...
Olsen and Watson struggle in MXGP to.

Expected allot more out off those guys because of the reason you said, but in real time this season what have they really showed?

They’ve not been bad, but i expected more results upfront and more raw speed, especially the raw speed lacked quite allot of both.

So a 450 ride is not a guarantee for succes and results.
philG wrote:
Struggled?? Who do expect they will be beating that they arent.. both have run top 10 , both have had injuries, both have run well with...
Struggled??

Who do expect they will be beating that they arent.. both have run top 10 , both have had injuries, both have run well with a start. Olsen has been solid, Watson has run both of his vastly more experienced team mates hard in races.

They have both had decent rookie years in 450, against a backdrop of Covid IMO.

Also both of them are racers, so the short qualifying format , and no qualy race has hurt them hard, as well as a relative lack of track time on most of the tracks compared to everyone else on a 450.

I think Olsen s been terrible this year . I was way more impressed by Watson , at least he showed signs of speed. Inwas expeting Olsen to have a few great races , inconsistent but very fast at times . He was consistently average imo
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I think Olsen s been terrible this year . I was way more impressed by Watson , at least he showed signs of speed. Inwas expeting...
I think Olsen s been terrible this year . I was way more impressed by Watson , at least he showed signs of speed. Inwas expeting Olsen to have a few great races , inconsistent but very fast at times . He was consistently average imo
I have to say, i thought he would be better than he has been.

But as i said, its a fine line, loads of guys are a good start away from a top 6 in a moto.
11/19/2021 3:36pm
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I think Olsen s been terrible this year . I was way more impressed by Watson , at least he showed signs of speed. Inwas expeting...
I think Olsen s been terrible this year . I was way more impressed by Watson , at least he showed signs of speed. Inwas expeting Olsen to have a few great races , inconsistent but very fast at times . He was consistently average imo
philG wrote:
I have to say, i thought he would be better than he has been. But as i said, its a fine line, loads of guys are...
I have to say, i thought he would be better than he has been.

But as i said, its a fine line, loads of guys are a good start away from a top 6 in a moto.
For being first year on the big bike he did ok but if next year he has same results then we can start to doubt him.
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So Evans is 100% confirmed for HRC Honda?
Juck wrote:
He signed a multi year deal at the end of last year so yes
2022 is a massive year for him. He can't afford to get hurt again and he needs to perform.
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So Evans is 100% confirmed for HRC Honda?
Juck wrote:
He signed a multi year deal at the end of last year so yes
Motofinne wrote:
2022 is a massive year for him. He can't afford to get hurt again and he needs to perform.
I never saw anything from him that justified an HRC 450 ride , he had a few decent 250 rides, but i would have taken Vlaanderen over him.
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DeStouwer wrote:
Jed Beaton to MXGP-class with F&H Kawasaki.
I just saw a picture of him with Marc De Reuver and Nathalie, the Team Manager.

Hopefully it's not an old picture, from when he was last with the team, as I think De Reuver, if he's involved, could really help him in his move to MXGP. And, he's back with people he's worked with before.

It's good to see him get an MXGP ride, I feared he'd miss out, and have to return home.

And I'm really happy Evans had a contract that has kept him at HRC for 2022. HRC must see something in him, as even "Iron Clad" ( is there ever really such a thing?) contracts never seem to exist or be honoured. I hope his wrist has healed, properly and fully, and he can get a full season in with no injuries, for once. Otherwise, he'll be homeward bound.
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dagucis wrote:
Cairoli will test GasGas bikes and will race some MXGP Italian rounds.
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Apparently Cairoli also has something in the works with Triumph as well.

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Any chance Cairoli comes over to the US for a few Nationals to prep to wear the #1 plate for Italy in the Nation's?

I could see Southwick, Millville, and Washougal being up his alley.
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Jed Beaton to MXGP-class with F&H Kawasaki.
Bearuno wrote:
I just saw a picture of him with Marc De Reuver and Nathalie, the Team Manager. Hopefully it's not an old picture, from when he was...
I just saw a picture of him with Marc De Reuver and Nathalie, the Team Manager.

Hopefully it's not an old picture, from when he was last with the team, as I think De Reuver, if he's involved, could really help him in his move to MXGP. And, he's back with people he's worked with before.

It's good to see him get an MXGP ride, I feared he'd miss out, and have to return home.

And I'm really happy Evans had a contract that has kept him at HRC for 2022. HRC must see something in him, as even "Iron Clad" ( is there ever really such a thing?) contracts never seem to exist or be honoured. I hope his wrist has healed, properly and fully, and he can get a full season in with no injuries, for once. Otherwise, he'll be homeward bound.
I am surprised he went back to F&H after last time, the bike put him out for half a season after it locked up at Matterley.

But i guess you gotta go where the rides are, F&H have had a shocking year , and they need some kind of redemptionin 2022.

Will there be a second 450 Husky with Olsen ?

Who will be on the second Beta , can see that being a decent seat.

Who gets Stribos's ride, assuming they still run 3 guys.

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Any chance Cairoli comes over to the US for a few Nationals to prep to wear the #1 plate for Italy in the Nation's? I could...
Any chance Cairoli comes over to the US for a few Nationals to prep to wear the #1 plate for Italy in the Nation's?

I could see Southwick, Millville, and Washougal being up his alley.
I don't know, but it would be cool to see him over stateside for a couple races.
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DeStouwer wrote:
Jed Beaton to MXGP-class with F&H Kawasaki.
Bearuno wrote:
I just saw a picture of him with Marc De Reuver and Nathalie, the Team Manager. Hopefully it's not an old picture, from when he was...
I just saw a picture of him with Marc De Reuver and Nathalie, the Team Manager.

Hopefully it's not an old picture, from when he was last with the team, as I think De Reuver, if he's involved, could really help him in his move to MXGP. And, he's back with people he's worked with before.

It's good to see him get an MXGP ride, I feared he'd miss out, and have to return home.

And I'm really happy Evans had a contract that has kept him at HRC for 2022. HRC must see something in him, as even "Iron Clad" ( is there ever really such a thing?) contracts never seem to exist or be honoured. I hope his wrist has healed, properly and fully, and he can get a full season in with no injuries, for once. Otherwise, he'll be homeward bound.
philG wrote:
I am surprised he went back to F&H after last time, the bike put him out for half a season after it locked up at Matterley...
I am surprised he went back to F&H after last time, the bike put him out for half a season after it locked up at Matterley.

But i guess you gotta go where the rides are, F&H have had a shocking year , and they need some kind of redemptionin 2022.

Will there be a second 450 Husky with Olsen ?

Who will be on the second Beta , can see that being a decent seat.

Who gets Stribos's ride, assuming they still run 3 guys.

Olsen won't be on Husky anymore, he moves to DIGA Procross KTM, with Everts on the same team in MX2.
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DeStouwer wrote:
Olsen won't be on Husky anymore, he moves to DIGA Procross KTM, with Everts on the same team in MX2.
I missed that , i am sure i heard that the 250 team was running a 450.. i assumed for Olsen.

You have to say , its a busy silly season.
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What is Febvre doing next year if the Kawi team is going away?
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11/20/2021 12:17pm Edited Date/Time 11/20/2021 12:19pm
What is Febvre doing next year if the Kawi team is going away?
The current team is stopping or mayby forced to stop. IceOne is taking over the Factory Kawasaki support, they’ve runnend MXGP Husqvarna since day one.

MXGP Husqvarna is being taking over by the same “boss” who is running the 250 team now. So they have 250 and MXGP in house.

Before Iceone turned factory they’ve started as a Kawasaki team in 2009/10.

Febvre still will be on Factory Kawasaki, but a different team and people.
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What is Febvre doing next year if the Kawi team is going away?
Bidirella wrote:
The current team is stopping or mayby forced to stop. IceOne is taking over the Factory Kawasaki support, they’ve runnend MXGP Husqvarna since day one. MXGP...
The current team is stopping or mayby forced to stop. IceOne is taking over the Factory Kawasaki support, they’ve runnend MXGP Husqvarna since day one.

MXGP Husqvarna is being taking over by the same “boss” who is running the 250 team now. So they have 250 and MXGP in house.

Before Iceone turned factory they’ve started as a Kawasaki team in 2009/10.

Febvre still will be on Factory Kawasaki, but a different team and people.
Cool, thanks for the info. Will this new Kawi team still be sponsored by monster energy?
11/20/2021 4:31pm
DeStouwer wrote:
Jed Beaton to MXGP-class with F&H Kawasaki.
2022 is going to be a great viewing year for us Aussies.
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