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xrclark433 10/1/2021 8:07am
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I think the only positive we can take out of this thread is the fact that Michael Lindsay is letting this roll. No more whiny dude who clips whatever he doesn’t like 👍🏻
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agn5008 10/1/2021 8:11am
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xrclark433 wrote:
I think the only positive we can take out of this thread is the fact that Michael Lindsay is letting this roll. No more whiny dude...
I think the only positive we can take out of this thread is the fact that Michael Lindsay is letting this roll. No more whiny dude who clips whatever he doesn’t like 👍🏻
No doubt. I respect Michael for doing this. We can have conversations about controversial things and still keep it pretty respectful. i haven’t seen anything here that would warrant getting clipped or this thread getting flushed
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ML512 10/1/2021 8:17am
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xrclark433 wrote:
I think the only positive we can take out of this thread is the fact that Michael Lindsay is letting this roll. No more whiny dude...
I think the only positive we can take out of this thread is the fact that Michael Lindsay is letting this roll. No more whiny dude who clips whatever he doesn’t like 👍🏻
agn5008 wrote:
No doubt. I respect Michael for doing this. We can have conversations about controversial things and still keep it pretty respectful. i haven’t seen anything here...
No doubt. I respect Michael for doing this. We can have conversations about controversial things and still keep it pretty respectful. i haven’t seen anything here that would warrant getting clipped or this thread getting flushed
It's non-moto forum bound now, no clipping but moving around happens. If everyone wants to keep discussing, go right ahead, I actually stand on the side that most in here do. It's naturally going to become fairly politically charged at some point, so just moving it to an area that's maybe better suited for it. I get a lot of complaints about the moto-related side of the forum getting out there a bit these days, so just trying to keep it a bit mellow and about the "motocross stuff" when possible.
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agn5008 10/1/2021 8:20am
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xrclark433 wrote:
I think the only positive we can take out of this thread is the fact that Michael Lindsay is letting this roll. No more whiny dude...
I think the only positive we can take out of this thread is the fact that Michael Lindsay is letting this roll. No more whiny dude who clips whatever he doesn’t like 👍🏻
agn5008 wrote:
No doubt. I respect Michael for doing this. We can have conversations about controversial things and still keep it pretty respectful. i haven’t seen anything here...
No doubt. I respect Michael for doing this. We can have conversations about controversial things and still keep it pretty respectful. i haven’t seen anything here that would warrant getting clipped or this thread getting flushed
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It's non-moto forum bound now, no clipping but moving around happens. If everyone wants to keep discussing, go right ahead, I actually stand on the side...
It's non-moto forum bound now, no clipping but moving around happens. If everyone wants to keep discussing, go right ahead, I actually stand on the side that most in here do. It's naturally going to become fairly politically charged at some point, so just moving it to an area that's maybe better suited for it. I get a lot of complaints about the moto-related side of the forum getting out there a bit these days, so just trying to keep it a bit mellow and about the "motocross stuff" when possible.
That’s understandable.

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agn5008 10/1/2021 8:24am
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I suspect we see more people/athletes like Kyle Warner in the future. For those unfamiliar, he was a very healthy MTBer who is dealing with terrible...
I suspect we see more people/athletes like Kyle Warner in the future. For those unfamiliar, he was a very healthy MTBer who is dealing with terrible after effects of this particular Vaccine. I have been hearing of a lot of this inflammation as a side effect and it concerns me.

I am not against vaccines. I have had plenty throughout my life. I would, however, prefer the vaccines go through the proper and complete trial process and have a longer time period for unbiased scientists to determine the long term effects of the vaccine in question.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CRZmdZgHvgg/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
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Exactly. Obviously my wife isn’t a professional athlete but she’s in better shape than most and she’s still young. People can downvote all they want but...
Exactly. Obviously my wife isn’t a professional athlete but she’s in better shape than most and she’s still young. People can downvote all they want but they won’t offer any arguments against anything we’ve said.
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Sorry to hear about your wife and I hope she gets better. But no medicine or vaccine is perfect, there will always be rare exceptions. My...
Sorry to hear about your wife and I hope she gets better.
But no medicine or vaccine is perfect, there will always be rare exceptions.
My wife teaches college microbiology, and although she's a strong advocate for the vaccine, she will admit it's not 100%. No drug is.

That said, millions of people have got the vaccine without an issue. I personally do not know anyone who had any lingering effects.

I agree. The main issue I have with it is she was forced to get it and now she potentially has something very serious wrong with her. I have no issues with the vaccine existing or with those who decide to get it. That’s their choice and I certainly don’t see myself as some almighty god who should judge those on their vaccine decisions.
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mattyhamz2 10/1/2021 9:09am
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Jacobson v. Massachusetts https://www.oyez.org/cases/1900-1940/197us11 Facts of the case A Massachusetts law allowed cities to require residents to be vaccinated against smallpox. Cambridge adopted such an ordinance...
Jacobson v. Massachusetts

https://www.oyez.org/cases/1900-1940/197us11


Facts of the case
A Massachusetts law allowed cities to require residents to be vaccinated against smallpox. Cambridge adopted such an ordinance, with some exceptions. Jacobson refused to comply with the requirement and was fined five dollars.

Question
Did the mandatory vaccination law violate Jacobson's Fourteenth Amendment right to liberty?

Conclusion
The Court held that the law was a legitimate exercise of the state's police power to protect the public health and safety of its citizens. Local boards of health determined when mandatory vaccinations were needed, thus making the requirement neither unreasonable nor arbitrarily imposed.

mattyhamz2 wrote:
The only reason that went the way it did was because there were zero side effects with that vaccine. That’s the only reason that was upheld.
mx317 wrote:
No medicine has zero side effects.
Replied in the middle of getting ready for work this morning.

It was meant to be “zero known side effects” That’s how Mass was able to get through that mandate and the courts siding with them. Covid Vax is way passed that point already.

Friends mom was paralyzed and is still learning how to walk again.
Friends mother in law was vaccinated and died Monday from Covid.
Another friends grandfather paralyzed after Vax.

I’m pro freedom of choice. You want it, hey that’s your choice and glad you decided it was best for you. I don’t want it, that’s my choice and I expect the same respect for my decision that I have for those that chose to get it.

The fact that they are trying to tell everyone that the reason the vaccine isn’t working is because of the non vaccinated is complete bullshit. If the vaccine works, it shouldn’t matter that some of us decided not to get it. No one has ever been able to give me a logical explanation to that.
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EaglesRUgly 10/1/2021 9:14am
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The same entities that control big oil, control big pharma and they are set for total population control. It's not about profits anymore, it is about control:

Why Big Oil Conquered the World
https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/why-big-oil-conquered-world/

How Big Oil Conquered the World
https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/big-oil-conquered-world/

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wydopen 10/1/2021 9:34am
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The same entities that control big oil, control big pharma and they are set for total population control. It's not about profits anymore, it is about...
The same entities that control big oil, control big pharma and they are set for total population control. It's not about profits anymore, it is about control:

Why Big Oil Conquered the World
https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/why-big-oil-conquered-world/

How Big Oil Conquered the World
https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/big-oil-conquered-world/

Also the same people who funded Hitler/stalin and Mao and created the modern climate change cult while simultaneously polluting more than anyone..Once you actually look at the history of the 20th century and realize every major event/cultural movement was a lie or manipulated by intelligence agencies for social engineering and profit (including every war since WW1 on record) the agenda is so transparent.. But if your world view comes from the tv and pop culture which is carefully curated to keep you distracted while you are slowly dumbed down and enslaved...the agenda has always been a technocracy in their own words..they have been working on it for 80years..now they have the tech to do it...and the worst part is you opted in voluntarily

This is what facebook is btw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_LifeLog
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mx317 10/1/2021 9:51am
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
Replied in the middle of getting ready for work this morning. It was meant to be “zero known side effects” That’s how Mass was able to...
Replied in the middle of getting ready for work this morning.

It was meant to be “zero known side effects” That’s how Mass was able to get through that mandate and the courts siding with them. Covid Vax is way passed that point already.

Friends mom was paralyzed and is still learning how to walk again.
Friends mother in law was vaccinated and died Monday from Covid.
Another friends grandfather paralyzed after Vax.

I’m pro freedom of choice. You want it, hey that’s your choice and glad you decided it was best for you. I don’t want it, that’s my choice and I expect the same respect for my decision that I have for those that chose to get it.

The fact that they are trying to tell everyone that the reason the vaccine isn’t working is because of the non vaccinated is complete bullshit. If the vaccine works, it shouldn’t matter that some of us decided not to get it. No one has ever been able to give me a logical explanation to that.
I respect your decision to vax or not to vax. The reason they want people vaxxed is to help the overburdened hospitals who are full of Covid patients and the majority are non-vaccinated. I don't believe half what the news says and none of what is coming out of the Whitehouse, but I know our local hospital has 38 on the ventilator and none are vaccinated. Not one. There are only 2 out of approx 60 in the ICU (includes the 38 on ventilator) that have been vaccinated. This is info I know for certain and not some twisted news story. People still get Covid after the vax, but most don't get bad. There will always be breakthrough cases where people get vaxxed and still die, but chances are they won't. Just my 2 cents and it may not be worth that lol.
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Dirtydeeds 10/1/2021 10:12am
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I'll add my wife is an ER dr who worked through the whole pandemic in an ER. Based on her experience this past 18 months she...
I'll add my wife is an ER dr who worked through the whole pandemic in an ER. Based on her experience this past 18 months she has no interest in getting the shot and will soon not be able to work in the ER. It's safe to say we won't be attending any events that require the shot. I hope the riders and teams stand up to this. These young men are some of the fittest people on the planet and at extremely low risk for a bad outcome from covid.

It's no secret that the shots do not prevent infection or transmission. In fact a recent study showed that fully vaccinated individuals can carry as high or a much higher viral load that the non-vaccinated. https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2074

I still can get past the fact the vaccine manufacturers get to rake in billions in profits while being shielding from liability for a product that doesn't prevent infect, transmission, or even death. Look it up. The pfizer trials were only designed to monitor the incidences of moderate symptoms. Not severe ones or death. Additionally, 3,401 trial participants had "covid like symptoms" yet were not tested from covid. https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/04/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95…

This is fucked up. Its fucked up in the sense that when this shit show started we all praised doctors and nurses as heroes for being on the front lines of this pandemic. How the tide has turned, now if they choose not to be vaccinated they’re completely disposable. Such a shame.
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agn5008 10/1/2021 10:15am
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
Replied in the middle of getting ready for work this morning. It was meant to be “zero known side effects” That’s how Mass was able to...
Replied in the middle of getting ready for work this morning.

It was meant to be “zero known side effects” That’s how Mass was able to get through that mandate and the courts siding with them. Covid Vax is way passed that point already.

Friends mom was paralyzed and is still learning how to walk again.
Friends mother in law was vaccinated and died Monday from Covid.
Another friends grandfather paralyzed after Vax.

I’m pro freedom of choice. You want it, hey that’s your choice and glad you decided it was best for you. I don’t want it, that’s my choice and I expect the same respect for my decision that I have for those that chose to get it.

The fact that they are trying to tell everyone that the reason the vaccine isn’t working is because of the non vaccinated is complete bullshit. If the vaccine works, it shouldn’t matter that some of us decided not to get it. No one has ever been able to give me a logical explanation to that.
mx317 wrote:
I respect your decision to vax or not to vax. The reason they want people vaxxed is to help the overburdened hospitals who are full of...
I respect your decision to vax or not to vax. The reason they want people vaxxed is to help the overburdened hospitals who are full of Covid patients and the majority are non-vaccinated. I don't believe half what the news says and none of what is coming out of the Whitehouse, but I know our local hospital has 38 on the ventilator and none are vaccinated. Not one. There are only 2 out of approx 60 in the ICU (includes the 38 on ventilator) that have been vaccinated. This is info I know for certain and not some twisted news story. People still get Covid after the vax, but most don't get bad. There will always be breakthrough cases where people get vaxxed and still die, but chances are they won't. Just my 2 cents and it may not be worth that lol.
Covid is real. Not many will doubt that. We can argue the origins, but that’s a whole different topic.

We have very reliable cures for covid. The government, media and pharmaceutical companies are doing their best to cover them up.
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wydopen 10/1/2021 10:37am
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
Replied in the middle of getting ready for work this morning. It was meant to be “zero known side effects” That’s how Mass was able to...
Replied in the middle of getting ready for work this morning.

It was meant to be “zero known side effects” That’s how Mass was able to get through that mandate and the courts siding with them. Covid Vax is way passed that point already.

Friends mom was paralyzed and is still learning how to walk again.
Friends mother in law was vaccinated and died Monday from Covid.
Another friends grandfather paralyzed after Vax.

I’m pro freedom of choice. You want it, hey that’s your choice and glad you decided it was best for you. I don’t want it, that’s my choice and I expect the same respect for my decision that I have for those that chose to get it.

The fact that they are trying to tell everyone that the reason the vaccine isn’t working is because of the non vaccinated is complete bullshit. If the vaccine works, it shouldn’t matter that some of us decided not to get it. No one has ever been able to give me a logical explanation to that.
mx317 wrote:
I respect your decision to vax or not to vax. The reason they want people vaxxed is to help the overburdened hospitals who are full of...
I respect your decision to vax or not to vax. The reason they want people vaxxed is to help the overburdened hospitals who are full of Covid patients and the majority are non-vaccinated. I don't believe half what the news says and none of what is coming out of the Whitehouse, but I know our local hospital has 38 on the ventilator and none are vaccinated. Not one. There are only 2 out of approx 60 in the ICU (includes the 38 on ventilator) that have been vaccinated. This is info I know for certain and not some twisted news story. People still get Covid after the vax, but most don't get bad. There will always be breakthrough cases where people get vaxxed and still die, but chances are they won't. Just my 2 cents and it may not be worth that lol.
agn5008 wrote:
Covid is real. Not many will doubt that. We can argue the origins, but that’s a whole different topic. We have very reliable cures for covid...
Covid is real. Not many will doubt that. We can argue the origins, but that’s a whole different topic.

We have very reliable cures for covid. The government, media and pharmaceutical companies are doing their best to cover them up.
While I get what you are saying the fact that it’s on record that the same people who developed it, sought grants to release it in wild animal populations using skin piercing nanoparticles, investigated the origin themselves and controlled all the discourse online as official “fact checkers” matters because they are the same people offering the “solution”
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This is fucked up. Its fucked up in the sense that when this shit show started we all praised doctors and nurses as heroes for being...
This is fucked up. Its fucked up in the sense that when this shit show started we all praised doctors and nurses as heroes for being on the front lines of this pandemic. How the tide has turned, now if they choose not to be vaccinated they’re completely disposable. Such a shame.
My wife (a RN) had to undress to her underwear everyday on the back porch. Put her shoes in a rubbermade container, bag her clothes, then go straight into bathroom, throw the clothes in the wash by themselves, then hop straight in the shower. Her job was physically and mentally exhausting but thats what she had to do. You know... one of the HEROS working the front lines while most of the country was on the couch collecting fat government checks. She has now went from a hero to a zero for not complying with the lying ass gov. over this mandatory vaccine BS. Its disheartening to see what our society has turned into and how easily their minds can be controlled. We as a society are spinning so out of control, and it makes me sad the lack of people willing to stand up against it. I am all about free choice, but I expect to have free choice too.
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tobz wrote:
How’d the heard immunity attempt work out for Sweden?
wydopen wrote:
Pretty good actually. You must be stupider than you sound which is saying allot. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/10/01/512749/s1200_15AA53D9_A9E8_4266_BA50_0C1D7897F728.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/10/01/512750/s1200_9A3D6E20_B548_44B4_AFF7_892E030F3BD4.jpg[/img]
Pretty good actually. You must be stupider than you sound which is saying allot.


Sweden has 85% of adult population vaccinated.
People comparing their country to Sweden pisses me off. We have bunch of tin foils do it here in Latvia.
Here is a deal- Sweden is ranked #1 in the world of socially responsible country`s. If their government recomends distance and masks- they follow. They don`t need restrictions, just recomendations. The same with vaccination.
My country or USA would not make top50 of socially responsible countries.
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kongols 10/1/2021 11:19am
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Me and my GF got vaccinated back in May. No problem whatsoever. My ex-wife got J&J few weeks ago. Ran some tests couple of days ago and she has blood clots forming. She has few preexisting conditions. She was prescribed Aspirin blood thiners (?) for a week. We`ll see what tests say next week.
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rosebud441 10/1/2021 11:20am
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Hank_Thrill wrote:
I think it is funny some people don't want to get faxed due to their health, yet they smoke cannabis, drink alcohol, and live on a...
I think it is funny some people don't want to get faxed due to their health, yet they smoke cannabis, drink alcohol, and live on a diet of fast food. Ya know, like your typical supercross stadium fan.
Hey man leave my weed out of this.Wink

its on of the the reasons i'm so darn healthy
mattyhamz2 10/1/2021 11:31am
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
Replied in the middle of getting ready for work this morning. It was meant to be “zero known side effects” That’s how Mass was able to...
Replied in the middle of getting ready for work this morning.

It was meant to be “zero known side effects” That’s how Mass was able to get through that mandate and the courts siding with them. Covid Vax is way passed that point already.

Friends mom was paralyzed and is still learning how to walk again.
Friends mother in law was vaccinated and died Monday from Covid.
Another friends grandfather paralyzed after Vax.

I’m pro freedom of choice. You want it, hey that’s your choice and glad you decided it was best for you. I don’t want it, that’s my choice and I expect the same respect for my decision that I have for those that chose to get it.

The fact that they are trying to tell everyone that the reason the vaccine isn’t working is because of the non vaccinated is complete bullshit. If the vaccine works, it shouldn’t matter that some of us decided not to get it. No one has ever been able to give me a logical explanation to that.
mx317 wrote:
I respect your decision to vax or not to vax. The reason they want people vaxxed is to help the overburdened hospitals who are full of...
I respect your decision to vax or not to vax. The reason they want people vaxxed is to help the overburdened hospitals who are full of Covid patients and the majority are non-vaccinated. I don't believe half what the news says and none of what is coming out of the Whitehouse, but I know our local hospital has 38 on the ventilator and none are vaccinated. Not one. There are only 2 out of approx 60 in the ICU (includes the 38 on ventilator) that have been vaccinated. This is info I know for certain and not some twisted news story. People still get Covid after the vax, but most don't get bad. There will always be breakthrough cases where people get vaxxed and still die, but chances are they won't. Just my 2 cents and it may not be worth that lol.
I think our biggest problem is them telling us hospitals are at capacity and beds are full, when in reality they don’t have enough nurses to cover every bed/room because of these mandates.

Like others have said, our nurses and doctors went from hero to zero even after working almost 2 years without a vaccine. We all should have our freedom of choice. Especially now that we know the vaccinated spread it just as much as the unvaccinated.
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Dirtydeeds 10/1/2021 11:39am
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My wife (a RN) had to undress to her underwear everyday on the back porch. Put her shoes in a rubbermade container, bag her clothes, then...
My wife (a RN) had to undress to her underwear everyday on the back porch. Put her shoes in a rubbermade container, bag her clothes, then go straight into bathroom, throw the clothes in the wash by themselves, then hop straight in the shower. Her job was physically and mentally exhausting but thats what she had to do. You know... one of the HEROS working the front lines while most of the country was on the couch collecting fat government checks. She has now went from a hero to a zero for not complying with the lying ass gov. over this mandatory vaccine BS. Its disheartening to see what our society has turned into and how easily their minds can be controlled. We as a society are spinning so out of control, and it makes me sad the lack of people willing to stand up against it. I am all about free choice, but I expect to have free choice too.
My wife (also an RN) did the same exact thing and is going through the exact same thing. She has made her mind up that if it is mandated at her hospital she will be forced to quit/be fired.
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wydopen 10/1/2021 12:06pm
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Me and my GF got vaccinated back in May. No problem whatsoever. My ex-wife got J&J few weeks ago. Ran some tests couple of days ago...
Me and my GF got vaccinated back in May. No problem whatsoever. My ex-wife got J&J few weeks ago. Ran some tests couple of days ago and she has blood clots forming. She has few preexisting conditions. She was prescribed Aspirin blood thiners (?) for a week. We`ll see what tests say next week.
Good thing she was "socially responsible" like the Swede's and took an experimental injection with no proof of efficacy or safety unquestioningly...seriously though I'm sorry to hear that and I would think it would make you question what's going on..Also since admittedly clinical trials are ongoing and their aim to to inject every man, woman and child you know some people are getting a placebo. Especially since they didn't even use an actual placebo in the earlier trials..they used another vaccine with it's own side affects that weren't taken into account..

And for the people who still think the government/bureaucratic agencies care about your health you might want to look into the fact that they put literal industrial byproducts (trapped from emissions in fertilizer plants), known neurotoxins in your drinking water with literal zero oversite..

https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/2016-10/documents/hydrogen-fluo…

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine/magazine_article/fluoridated-drin…

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/fluoride-childrens-health-gr…
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Hoseclamp 10/1/2021 12:21pm
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My wife (also an RN) did the same exact thing and is going through the exact same thing. She has made her mind up that if...
My wife (also an RN) did the same exact thing and is going through the exact same thing. She has made her mind up that if it is mandated at her hospital she will be forced to quit/be fired.
Same here. She was willing to leave her career if it came down to it. She was able to file a religious exemption form, and the obligatory follow up questionnaire, and get approved. Her job is safe for now but who knows how long till they change the rules again. Ive been saying for a while now that the madatory vax for health care workers was just a way for them to pave the road to the next crisis, a health care crisis, where... you guessed it "hospitals are overrun with covid cases and understaffed cause of all the antivaxer medical workers". Now we see it starting. Some of the "heros" from before are being villainized for failing to bend down on their knees and comply. Anyone in health care knows how understaffed and over worked they have been for years, and this is just compounding the issue. We now have nurses and aids walking out cause they are "burned out" from covering extra shifts and hours, which just makes it that much harder for those who do stay. How much longer before this starts to really collapse. How much longer before the gov decides they need to step in to save us from their carefully crafted crisis with some heavy handed gov run helthcare system that will really mess things up. Ive had my fill with the overreaching gov reguarding this virus and all the rules that came with it. I dont like being told what I can and cant do in a free country. I fully believe they are up to no good and have some bigger sinister plan, Im just not sure what exactly it is.
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kongols 10/1/2021 12:44pm
10/1/2021 12:44pm
I`m somewhat with you. Israel and GB who has highest vaccination rates have big infected numbers or had. Thing is- 50% of infected in both countries are children school age. I`m hasitant to vaccinate children. I think it`s our adults job to get the vaccine, since almost 100% of kids barelly notice they are infected. If you want to vaccinate kids to protect elderly- fuck that, elderly should get the jab first.
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lostboy819 10/1/2021 12:51pm
10/1/2021 12:51pm
Premix wrote:
Hope the OEM’s, team owners, and Riders stand up to this bullshit.
What are they gonna do ???
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lostboy819 10/1/2021 12:59pm
10/1/2021 12:59pm
dedi684 wrote:
Eat a dick feld and the stadiums
Feld has nothing to do with it. They have to play by whatever rules the venue sets.
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felpro 10/1/2021 1:12pm
10/1/2021 1:12pm Edited Date/Time 10/1/2021 1:22pm
It's 5:38 am. Just woke up. I expected this thread to be long gone. Congrats guys for this civil discussion. The most civil EVERRRRR on Vital re this subject. This became a MOTO RELATED subject given what Ping said and when he quoted MItch's response.

There will be riders, truckers, camera guys, commentators, nurses, first responders . . . who will not get vaxxed for good reasons; informed and otherwise and bad reasons; informed and otherwise . . . There are some who will be vaxxed for good and bad reasons.

The shitty thing is that our personal choice whether to get vaxxed or not will be over-ridden by the choice to race or not, meet sponsorship commitments or not, work or not. And that sucks.

We all live by rules and laws and decisions made for us. Where a road goes. What we can read, what we can listen to. What guns we can have. What rocket launchers we cannot. How fast we can drive, what side of the road we drive on. Whether we can pass a football forwards or not. What octane fuel we can use. What additives are allowed in the fuel. Whether we can line up on an inside gate. Or not.

Most rules are for our benefit, made by those we elect, even if 49.9% did not vote our way. Overall, we are doing very well.

I wish Ivermectin was embraced. It should be from what I have heard. That and similar Covid bullshit (Lockdowns and whatnot) kept me angry and vaccine hesitant. I did not think my leaders are doing the best job. That kept me angry and unvaccinated.

The threat and now reality of restrictions for the unvaccinated got me gettin' jabbed.

Read what you can, listen to Joe Rogan and his very credible guests and choose your battles. For me and many to come, the battle is not lost, but there's going to be capitulation. Compromise. Dropping the fight to get on with a life doing some things we did not choose or want. But compromising to do the things that we really want or need to do.

The whole deal sucks. Stop being angry at things that you cannot control and work out what's your best move going forwards.





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Robgvx 10/1/2021 1:57pm
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“ Malone received criticism for propagating COVID-19 misinformation, including making unsupported claims about the alleged toxicity of spike proteins generated by some COVID-19 vaccines;[6][10][22] using interviews on mass media to popularize self-medication with ivermectin;[23] and tweeting a study by others questioning vaccine safety that was later retracted.[6] He said LinkedIn suspended his account over what he claimed were posts he had made questioning the efficacy of some COVID-19 vaccines.[24] Malone has also claimed that the Pfizer–BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines could worsen COVID-19 infections.[25]

With another researcher, Malone successfully proposed to the publishers of Frontiers in Pharmacology a special issue featuring early observational studies on existing medication used in the treatment of COVID-19, for which they recruited other guest editors, contributors, and reviewers. The journal rejected two of the papers selected: one on famotidine co-authored by Malone and another submitted by physician Pierre Kory on the use of ivermectin.[21] The publisher rejected the ivermectin paper due to what it claimed were “a series of strong, unsupported claims” which they determined did “not offer an objective nor balanced scientific contribution.”[21] Malone and most other guest editors resigned in protest in April 2021, and the special issue has been pulled from the journal's website.[21]

Malone was criticized for falsely claiming that the FDA had not granted full approval to the Pfizer vaccine in August 2021.[26]”
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ATKpilot99 10/1/2021 2:08pm
10/1/2021 2:08pm
Has anyone here discussed their concerns with their own doctor ?
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flarider 10/1/2021 2:57pm
10/1/2021 2:57pm Edited Date/Time 10/1/2021 3:02pm
BREAKING NEWS (and relevant)

Justice Sonia Sotomayor, for the Supreme Court on Friday denied a request from a group of New York City teachers to block the city's vaccine mandate for public school employees.

Sotomayor did not refer the request to the other Supreme Court justices, or comment on her action, likely signaling they agreed with her decision. In August, Justice Amy Coney Barrett likewise rejected an effort to block Indiana University's vaccine mandate.

A federal district court had declined to block the mandate holding that it "represents a rational policy decision surrounding how best to protect children during a global pandemic."
The court said that although there are other means of preventing the spread of Covid 19, "it is not shocking for the City to conclude that vaccination is the best way to do so, particularly at a time when viral transmission rates are high."
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wydopen 10/1/2021 3:34pm
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Robgvx wrote:
“ Malone received criticism for propagating COVID-19 misinformation, including making unsupported claims about the alleged toxicity of spike proteins generated by some COVID-19 vaccines;[6][10][22] using interviews...
“ Malone received criticism for propagating COVID-19 misinformation, including making unsupported claims about the alleged toxicity of spike proteins generated by some COVID-19 vaccines;[6][10][22] using interviews on mass media to popularize self-medication with ivermectin;[23] and tweeting a study by others questioning vaccine safety that was later retracted.[6] He said LinkedIn suspended his account over what he claimed were posts he had made questioning the efficacy of some COVID-19 vaccines.[24] Malone has also claimed that the Pfizer–BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines could worsen COVID-19 infections.[25]

With another researcher, Malone successfully proposed to the publishers of Frontiers in Pharmacology a special issue featuring early observational studies on existing medication used in the treatment of COVID-19, for which they recruited other guest editors, contributors, and reviewers. The journal rejected two of the papers selected: one on famotidine co-authored by Malone and another submitted by physician Pierre Kory on the use of ivermectin.[21] The publisher rejected the ivermectin paper due to what it claimed were “a series of strong, unsupported claims” which they determined did “not offer an objective nor balanced scientific contribution.”[21] Malone and most other guest editors resigned in protest in April 2021, and the special issue has been pulled from the journal's website.[21]

Malone was criticized for falsely claiming that the FDA had not granted full approval to the Pfizer vaccine in August 2021.[26]”
Have you listed to the guy and seen his credentials or did you let the first hit on google make up your mind for you? How about Dr Bartlett?
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-MAVERICK- 10/1/2021 5:24pm
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
Surprised I haven’t seen anything about this yet after watching Ping’s IG video. Certain stadiums are requiring the vax and sounds like Feld is telling everyone...
Surprised I haven’t seen anything about this yet after watching Ping’s IG video. Certain stadiums are requiring the vax and sounds like Feld is telling everyone they either need to be vaxxed or they can’t race/spectate at those stadiums. Really interested to see how this goes. Our sport for the most part has been pretty free and clear of this issue…until now.
Couple quotes from Racerhead.

Lots of rumors and petitions and what have you about the controversial (to some) vaccination issues in our sport. From people I talk to close to Feld Entertainment, they're not enforcing a vaccination mandate to the riders and teams, but they're telling everyone that could change as we get closer to A1.


In short, if you're the type of person who opposes vaccinations, it's not Feld that's the bad guy here. As of now, there are no buildings on the 2022 SX circuit that are requiring people to be vaxxed to enter, but of course things can change.

Let me repeat that: In short, if you're the type of person that opposes vaccinations, it's not Feld that's the bad guy here. As of now, there are no buildings on the 2022 SX circuit that are requiring people to be vaxxed to enter, but of course things can change.

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