Michael Lindsay

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9/7/2021 9:08am
ML is a great dude.. he will get all the issues sorted.. personally i can understand how he must feel taking on all these tasks trying to help others.. well the water got too full and now its spilling over.. its called a learning lesson..

You girls need to cut him some slack.. by all counts in my experience ML has been a solid dude. Whenever i have a question or ask if they have any sponsor codes to help on pricing. He would always help me..

ML you are a good dude. just took on too much. life happens brother.. dont take the negative comments on this website personally.. everyone is a tough guy on the internet.
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Kawboy14!
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9/7/2021 2:57pm
I don’t have any problem with that midget!

So all this about about some custom frame brackets not getting shipped?
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9/7/2021 5:02pm
I guess my question for those that defend him ? If his team was on track for next year would he still reached out and tried to make things better ? He could have easily squashed this with a simple email or phone call before this exploded.
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9/7/2021 5:03pm
Kawboy14! wrote:
I don’t have any problem with that midget!

So all this about about some custom frame brackets not getting shipped?
No its about his lack of integrity and honesty. Takes 5 seconds to issue a refund. Takes 5 seconds to change website to stop taking new orders. Instead he continued to take peoples money and then lied to them after zero communication for months. It’s not the brackets at that point. It’s the person.
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The Shop

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9/7/2021 6:00pm
So a few people got ripped a bit, hopefully not forever. Compared to sleepy, he kicks azz!
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9/7/2021 10:14pm
I have no idea about any of the WCL stuff.
But it's sad to see the team fold, and I hope the stories of him owing big bucks is not true.
It clearly did not work out, but you have to give some respect to the kid for putting his balls on the line and trying to make a race team work.
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9/8/2021 12:56am
Putting beside the fact that guys never received their refund/parts I never knew these mounts made such a difference?

I used to spend all my money on suspension then a set of tyres and jetting ( 2 stroke days. )

If you can afford it I spose why not bling your bike up but Jesus how can any of us tell the difference? Anyone care to elaborate ??
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9/8/2021 1:44am Edited Date/Time 9/8/2021 1:48am
Putting beside the fact that guys never received their refund/parts I never knew these mounts made such a difference? I used to spend all my money...
Putting beside the fact that guys never received their refund/parts I never knew these mounts made such a difference?

I used to spend all my money on suspension then a set of tyres and jetting ( 2 stroke days. )

If you can afford it I spose why not bling your bike up but Jesus how can any of us tell the difference? Anyone care to elaborate ??
My thoughts as well re any perceived performance handling gains from engine mounting brackets.

Any alteration or improvement in some aspect by changing design is going to be highly subjective and therefore not easily measurable.

These characteristics of course lend themselves ideally to a modern form of marketing snake oil: a product that is relatively cheap to produce, with a large profit margin that can never be shown not to work.

In an ideal situation mounts would have a proper engineered relationship to the change in frame stiffness and this would be measured on a rig and given in foot pounds or other suitable units.

I'll add that I make G5 titanium and 7075 aluminium motor mount plates and fittings for my older bikes and sometimes for mates.
Titanium is good for this application because it is hard and strong, very aesthetic with it's self finish and is 100% corrosion proof.
Importantly the material guage can be kept the same as the original steel items so the oe bolts don't have to be swapped. There is never a thought that the handling might change.
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I don’t have “skin in the game” but you lot getting offended by people being upset about the way this is being handled confuse me. People have paid money and have received nothing in return. How do you think they are in the wrong for being upset and furthermore how are people who are expressing their anger about fellow riders being screwed over wrong? This has nothing to do with his team. You guys are nut hugging about his team (which is great and we all agree the more teams the better) but that doesn’t excuse someone taking money from people and then not providing the product/service they paid for. Also, the dude would swoop in on topics here all the time with some great inside industry info and now he is completely silent on here? and he is meant to take over Guy’s position? How is that going to work going forward, do we all need to be careful about what we say since he has the button to erase us off here?? Is this the age-old “let it blow over and they’ll forget soon enough trick” ?? Hope all the people who are now out of pocket get their money back some how. I think you have every right to be absolutely pissed off about this.
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9/8/2021 4:29am
The fact that some people are okay with this is mind blowing to me…but at the same time look at the state of our world right now and what people think is okay…therefore I’m not surprised! 👍🏻
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xrmark
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9/8/2021 6:02am
The guy ruined his record with FCP and even more by promising Mumford a competitive bike and then giving her m a pretty much stock motor all year. Also he doesn’t pay riders. Going to be tough for anyone with a brain to like this guy when he gets back.
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9/8/2021 6:15am
xrmark wrote:
The guy ruined his record with FCP and even more by promising Mumford a competitive bike and then giving her m a pretty much stock motor...
The guy ruined his record with FCP and even more by promising Mumford a competitive bike and then giving her m a pretty much stock motor all year. Also he doesn’t pay riders. Going to be tough for anyone with a brain to like this guy when he gets back.
That hair, though.
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9/8/2021 6:32am
xrmark wrote:
The guy ruined his record with FCP and even more by promising Mumford a competitive bike and then giving her m a pretty much stock motor...
The guy ruined his record with FCP and even more by promising Mumford a competitive bike and then giving her m a pretty much stock motor all year. Also he doesn’t pay riders. Going to be tough for anyone with a brain to like this guy when he gets back.
That's pretty impressive that Mumford pulled a holeshot on a basically bone stock 250 motor if what you're claiming is factual.
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9/8/2021 6:50am
xrmark wrote:
The guy ruined his record with FCP and even more by promising Mumford a competitive bike and then giving her m a pretty much stock motor...
The guy ruined his record with FCP and even more by promising Mumford a competitive bike and then giving her m a pretty much stock motor all year. Also he doesn’t pay riders. Going to be tough for anyone with a brain to like this guy when he gets back.
What a mess of a post.

1. ML512 is WCL, not FCP.
2. Mumford's results this year are almost identical to his results on Geico Honda last year, and I expect will be about the same next year on Bar X.
3. There are a lot of teams that don't pay riders a salary, by agreement. As long as everyone knows the deal up front and voluntarily signs up, what's the problem?
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9/8/2021 8:50am
Weird how a few posts in here got deleted during the night...
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9/8/2021 9:00am
xrmark wrote:
The guy ruined his record with FCP and even more by promising Mumford a competitive bike and then giving her m a pretty much stock motor...
The guy ruined his record with FCP and even more by promising Mumford a competitive bike and then giving her m a pretty much stock motor all year. Also he doesn’t pay riders. Going to be tough for anyone with a brain to like this guy when he gets back.
Man, pretty impressive that ol' Mumphy was able to pull a hole shot on a stock motor, especially since the Honda is on the slow side to begin with....

The bottom line is, Mumford didn't do shit with a full factory Geico bike either. He's not the first Amateur super star to not cut it as a Pro and he won't be the last. Hopefully his family can at least sell the Allessi property they bought to get some money out of this racing deal.....
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mx196 wrote:
The fact that some people are okay with this is mind blowing to me…but at the same time look at the state of our world right...
The fact that some people are okay with this is mind blowing to me…but at the same time look at the state of our world right now and what people think is okay…therefore I’m not surprised! 👍🏻
"As long as it wasn't me who got fucked who cares"

Yeah I agree some great attitudes in here.
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9/8/2021 11:13am
Weird how a few posts in here got deleted during the night...
People are fighting like dum-dums, like their life depends on it. Those posts got removed.
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9/8/2021 11:19am
GuyB wrote:
People are fighting like dum-dums, like their life depends on it. Those posts got removed.
I mean you're not wrong 😂
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Weird how a few posts in here got deleted during the night...
GuyB wrote:
People are fighting like dum-dums, like their life depends on it. Those posts got removed.
So you gonna miss this job ? You, you..... train wreck stealer you Laughing Laughing

Does the new guy get a Vital MX black and white striped referee shirt ?
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9/8/2021 12:07pm Edited Date/Time 9/8/2021 12:08pm
sumdood wrote:
So you gonna miss this job ? You, you..... train wreck stealer you :laugh: :laugh: Does the new guy get a Vital MX black and white...
So you gonna miss this job ? You, you..... train wreck stealer you Laughing Laughing

Does the new guy get a Vital MX black and white striped referee shirt ?
Nope, same gray overalls, mop and bucket that I had. Smile

ML will probably have to roll up the legs and sleeves a bit to fit.
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GuyB wrote:
Nope, same gray overalls, mop and bucket that I had. Smile

ML will probably have to roll up the legs and sleeves a bit to fit.
Laughing Laughing
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9/8/2021 1:49pm
xrmark wrote:
The guy ruined his record with FCP and even more by promising Mumford a competitive bike and then giving her m a pretty much stock motor...
The guy ruined his record with FCP and even more by promising Mumford a competitive bike and then giving her m a pretty much stock motor all year. Also he doesn’t pay riders. Going to be tough for anyone with a brain to like this guy when he gets back.
GrapeApe wrote:
What a mess of a post. 1. ML512 is WCL, not FCP. 2. Mumford's results this year are almost identical to his results on Geico Honda...
What a mess of a post.

1. ML512 is WCL, not FCP.
2. Mumford's results this year are almost identical to his results on Geico Honda last year, and I expect will be about the same next year on Bar X.
3. There are a lot of teams that don't pay riders a salary, by agreement. As long as everyone knows the deal up front and voluntarily signs up, what's the problem?
Lindsay provided a very capable bike and Carson didn't/hasn't performed. Coty is doing just fine on his ride. Maybe Carson should jump onto a 450?
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9/8/2021 1:50pm
xrmark wrote:
The guy ruined his record with FCP and even more by promising Mumford a competitive bike and then giving her m a pretty much stock motor...
The guy ruined his record with FCP and even more by promising Mumford a competitive bike and then giving her m a pretty much stock motor all year. Also he doesn’t pay riders. Going to be tough for anyone with a brain to like this guy when he gets back.
GrapeApe wrote:
What a mess of a post. 1. ML512 is WCL, not FCP. 2. Mumford's results this year are almost identical to his results on Geico Honda...
What a mess of a post.

1. ML512 is WCL, not FCP.
2. Mumford's results this year are almost identical to his results on Geico Honda last year, and I expect will be about the same next year on Bar X.
3. There are a lot of teams that don't pay riders a salary, by agreement. As long as everyone knows the deal up front and voluntarily signs up, what's the problem?
Yea idk why I put fcp ha

But the Mumford deal is weird. I guess I’m the only one who expects to be payed when you’re told you’re going to be payed. Not just shafted. I’m sure nobody here would work without getting payed?? Also being promised a competitive motor and ML and his dipshit buddy at xpr gave him a dam near stock motor. Mumford got shafted by ML. Anybody hear will suck off ML though.
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9/8/2021 1:59pm
xrmark wrote:
Yea idk why I put fcp ha But the Mumford deal is weird. I guess I’m the only one who expects to be payed when you’re...
Yea idk why I put fcp ha

But the Mumford deal is weird. I guess I’m the only one who expects to be payed when you’re told you’re going to be payed. Not just shafted. I’m sure nobody here would work without getting payed?? Also being promised a competitive motor and ML and his dipshit buddy at xpr gave him a dam near stock motor. Mumford got shafted by ML. Anybody hear will suck off ML though.
"here" Spelling matters.

If you are going to blast people at least step up and help like Lindsay did.
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Weird how a few posts in here got deleted during the night...
GuyB wrote:
People are fighting like dum-dums, like their life depends on it. Those posts got removed.
Testing 1 2, test 1 2 Unsure

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xrmark
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9/8/2021 2:22pm
avidchimp wrote:
"here" Spelling matters.

If you are going to blast people at least step up and help like Lindsay did.
I’m using my phone while sitting in an excavator haha ya got me there.

When did he step up and help? By saying he’ll pay x amount of dollars and not living up to that? If you’re going to praise someone, make sure they’re actually doing what everyone on here thinks he’s doing. Because he’s not. But all of you in here will get on your knees for him because you used to see him in Videos on here.
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9/8/2021 2:24pm Edited Date/Time 9/8/2021 2:26pm
xrmark wrote:
Yea idk why I put fcp ha But the Mumford deal is weird. I guess I’m the only one who expects to be payed when you’re...
Yea idk why I put fcp ha

But the Mumford deal is weird. I guess I’m the only one who expects to be payed when you’re told you’re going to be payed. Not just shafted. I’m sure nobody here would work without getting payed?? Also being promised a competitive motor and ML and his dipshit buddy at xpr gave him a dam near stock motor. Mumford got shafted by ML. Anybody hear will suck off ML though.
I just don't believe the "slowness" of the bike is holding him back when it was good enough for him to pull a holeshot and lead laps....unless maybe the Washougal motor was only a one round deal?

How much he whines about it just makes me think how big of an advantage he must have had over most his competition as an amateur being that he was Honda's golden boy most his life. Now he's in the Pros and over half the field is on Legit bike.... he's getting a reality check.

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9/8/2021 2:28pm Edited Date/Time 9/8/2021 2:29pm
xrmark wrote:
I’m using my phone while sitting in an excavator haha ya got me there. When did he step up and help? By saying he’ll pay x...
I’m using my phone while sitting in an excavator haha ya got me there.

When did he step up and help? By saying he’ll pay x amount of dollars and not living up to that? If you’re going to praise someone, make sure they’re actually doing what everyone on here thinks he’s doing. Because he’s not. But all of you in here will get on your knees for him because you used to see him in Videos on here.
I can't speak for what Michael is or isn't paying, but I do know those bikes are good and Carson isn't performing. If someone provides a bike that is by all measures pretty decent it is up to the rider to make it happen.
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9/8/2021 3:40pm
LungButter wrote:
I just don't believe the "slowness" of the bike is holding him back when it was good enough for him to pull a holeshot and lead...
I just don't believe the "slowness" of the bike is holding him back when it was good enough for him to pull a holeshot and lead laps....unless maybe the Washougal motor was only a one round deal?

How much he whines about it just makes me think how big of an advantage he must have had over most his competition as an amateur being that he was Honda's golden boy most his life. Now he's in the Pros and over half the field is on Legit bike.... he's getting a reality check.

still doesn’t change the character of Michael Lindsay. Telling someone they’ll have this this and that and then absolutely NOT coming through. How are all of you skimming over the fact that he doesn’t pay his riders? Lol mixed in with the wcl bullshit. How anyone can stand behind this guy is beyond me. Knowing a lot about dirt bikes and talking about it doesn’t make up for being a thief and a weasel.
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