Condolences to the Blue Pig critics

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Edited Date/Time 9/8/2021 2:15pm
You guys had a good run, but it’s over. Looking forward to seeing Eli and “Danger Zone” Dylan next year in year 2 of the Star program
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Johnny Depp 9/7/2021 8:01am
9/7/2021 8:01am Edited Date/Time 9/7/2021 8:04am
Credit where credit is due:

Mad Diesel Bomber's Photoshop's were epic (and need a return farewell appearance)

The Blue Pig gang was so effective that Yamaha finally ditched Keith.

The GP guys never bought the story.

Star never bought the story.

Tests and reviews never bought the story.


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Johnny Ringo wrote:
You guys had a good run, but it’s over. Looking forward to seeing Eli and “Danger Zone” Dylan next year in year 2 of the Star...
You guys had a good run, but it’s over. Looking forward to seeing Eli and “Danger Zone” Dylan next year in year 2 of the Star program
I firmly believe Ferrandis would’ve won the outdoor title on any bike.

And Eli, will anyone be shocked if he wins? Will anyone be shocked if he doesn’t win? The answer to both is “no”.

What about AP? As far as Plessinger goes, was it the bike or did his ability to ride a 450 get to where we expected him to be? What if he is even better on an Austrian bike? What if he regresses to where he was? Do you say the bike is the problem?
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dcg141 9/7/2021 8:32am
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I had a hunch when I heard an interview with Plessinger just before the outdoors started. You could hear it in his voice as to how confident he was about the the bike. Congrats to Star and lets face it the Yamaha production team for coming up with a solid platform to work off of.
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resetjet 9/7/2021 9:20am
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
You guys had a good run, but it’s over. Looking forward to seeing Eli and “Danger Zone” Dylan next year in year 2 of the Star...
You guys had a good run, but it’s over. Looking forward to seeing Eli and “Danger Zone” Dylan next year in year 2 of the Star program
Might be too many roosters in the henhouse.
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Dimblewambie 9/7/2021 9:21am
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Can we call it the wild blue boar now?
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GD350 9/7/2021 9:35am
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Did the bike we could buy lose any weight or width?
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What you're witnessing is a bike that money built. Star was determined to examine every point on the Yamaha, and tweak what wasn't working so it worked...and they spared no expense doing it. Their objective was to win...no matter what it cost, and they've said so themselves. Ferrandis would have won on a Vespa scooter...but he wouldn't have dominated like he did without the commitment that Star Racing Yamaha made to build a bike for him that had the capacity to be ridden at a championship level.
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kpiper 9/7/2021 9:45am
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Seems like Star made a 'works bike'.
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GD350 wrote:
Did the bike we could buy lose any weight or width?
Maybe, in the long run. However a lot of the weight that was "lost" on the race bike was merely Star stripping off unnecessary weight that Keith and crew had added.
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Dirty Points 9/7/2021 9:56am
9/7/2021 9:56am Edited Date/Time 9/7/2021 1:19pm
GD350 wrote:
Did the bike we could buy lose any weight or width?
Old and busted: "Bike is great for normal guys, but not for top level."
New hotness: "Bike is great for top level, but not for normal guys."
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TeamGreen 9/7/2021 10:06am
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
You guys had a good run, but it’s over. Looking forward to seeing Eli and “Danger Zone” Dylan next year in year 2 of the Star...
You guys had a good run, but it’s over. Looking forward to seeing Eli and “Danger Zone” Dylan next year in year 2 of the Star program
resetjet wrote:
Might be too many roosters in the henhouse.
I get what you’re saying; but, these days?

Having 3-4 great riders under your banner means you’re increasing your odds of having one of them STILL running at the seasons end and competing for The Red Plate.

What Star is doing now is exactly what Honda did back in the day.
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Hasletjoe 9/7/2021 10:14am
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davistld01 wrote:
What you're witnessing is a bike that money built. Star was determined to examine every point on the Yamaha, and tweak what wasn't working so it...
What you're witnessing is a bike that money built. Star was determined to examine every point on the Yamaha, and tweak what wasn't working so it worked...and they spared no expense doing it. Their objective was to win...no matter what it cost, and they've said so themselves. Ferrandis would have won on a Vespa scooter...but he wouldn't have dominated like he did without the commitment that Star Racing Yamaha made to build a bike for him that had the capacity to be ridden at a championship level.
Sounds like Yamaha was Yamaha's worst enemy. Bike had the speed if it weren't for Yamaha. Strange, yes!

Kind of like Webb having to grab the torch and cut the KTM to make him relevant again......
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bigk218 9/7/2021 11:05am
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In all fairness it was a BBP until star took over
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SilverSpurs 9/7/2021 12:02pm
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bigk218 wrote:
In all fairness it was a BBP until star took over
It was always good : the identically laid out 250 has been the standard for years.

It has been misguided and less than competent preparation that gave the 450 it's reputation and nick name.

The 450 Yamaha has the best engine with the foward inlet and good porting and because of it's integrated design the most sophisticated chassis.

It just lacked the equivalent tuning.
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Johnny Ringo 9/7/2021 12:07pm
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Has anyone checked on Diesel Bomber? Is he ok?
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GoggleFiend904 9/7/2021 12:12pm
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bigk218 wrote:
In all fairness it was a BBP until star took over
SilverSpurs wrote:
It was always good : the identically laid out 250 has been the standard for years. It has been misguided and less than competent preparation that...
It was always good : the identically laid out 250 has been the standard for years.

It has been misguided and less than competent preparation that gave the 450 it's reputation and nick name.

The 450 Yamaha has the best engine with the foward inlet and good porting and because of it's integrated design the most sophisticated chassis.

It just lacked the equivalent tuning.
No, factory Yamaha couldn’t make that bike good. They had been trying since 2010 and that bike has been bad mouthed by riders ever since. Star made that bike great in a short amount of time, which is very impressive. I can’t wait to see tomac on it
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Has anyone checked on Diesel Bomber? Is he ok?
He'll just say it's always been good outdoors and that it's still a blue pig because of SX.
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Johnny Ringo 9/7/2021 12:17pm
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davistld01 wrote:
What you're witnessing is a bike that money built. Star was determined to examine every point on the Yamaha, and tweak what wasn't working so it...
What you're witnessing is a bike that money built. Star was determined to examine every point on the Yamaha, and tweak what wasn't working so it worked...and they spared no expense doing it. Their objective was to win...no matter what it cost, and they've said so themselves. Ferrandis would have won on a Vespa scooter...but he wouldn't have dominated like he did without the commitment that Star Racing Yamaha made to build a bike for him that had the capacity to be ridden at a championship level.
I was with you until you said Dylan would have won on a Vespa. He was the best guy but let’s not get crazy here. He didn’t go 24-0.
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face biter 9/7/2021 12:28pm
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There’s nothing wrong with affectionately referring to it as the big blue pig, as Charlotte once said so famously “ that’s some pig! “.
Also... “ That’ll do, pig, that’ll do “
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wrc777 9/7/2021 12:44pm
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Didn't Barcia test a stock bike once and said it was better than the Yamaha factory bike?
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GoggleFiend904 9/7/2021 12:49pm
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wrc777 wrote:
Didn't Barcia test a stock bike once and said it was better than the Yamaha factory bike?
I believe that was Webb
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sgrimmxdad 9/7/2021 2:06pm
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I have so been waiting for someone to post this!! Every time I saw DR14 or AP7 on the box I thought about the blu pig hating vitards!
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MKMX 9/7/2021 2:25pm
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kpiper wrote:
Seems like Star made a 'works bike'.
Yamaha made a “works bike”, Star made a bike work.
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davistld01 9/7/2021 2:40pm
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davistld01 wrote:
What you're witnessing is a bike that money built. Star was determined to examine every point on the Yamaha, and tweak what wasn't working so it...
What you're witnessing is a bike that money built. Star was determined to examine every point on the Yamaha, and tweak what wasn't working so it worked...and they spared no expense doing it. Their objective was to win...no matter what it cost, and they've said so themselves. Ferrandis would have won on a Vespa scooter...but he wouldn't have dominated like he did without the commitment that Star Racing Yamaha made to build a bike for him that had the capacity to be ridden at a championship level.
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I was with you until you said Dylan would have won on a Vespa. He was the best guy but let’s not get crazy here. He...
I was with you until you said Dylan would have won on a Vespa. He was the best guy but let’s not get crazy here. He didn’t go 24-0.
Let's try to have a sense of humor, shall we?

Nope, Dylan didn't go 24-0...but he was certainly the dominant rider out there this year. He probably could have done that on a lesser bike, but thankfully he didn't have to. Personally, I think Dylan just wanted it more than anybody else.
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WhatsStoppingU 9/7/2021 2:49pm
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GD350 wrote:
Did the bike we could buy lose any weight or width?
Yes on both. It hasn’t been the widest bike for a few years now…
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wrc777 9/7/2021 3:52pm
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GD350 wrote:
Did the bike we could buy lose any weight or width?
WhatsStoppingU wrote:
Yes on both. It hasn’t been the widest bike for a few years now…
Which bike is the widest?
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resetjet 9/7/2021 4:05pm
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
You guys had a good run, but it’s over. Looking forward to seeing Eli and “Danger Zone” Dylan next year in year 2 of the Star...
You guys had a good run, but it’s over. Looking forward to seeing Eli and “Danger Zone” Dylan next year in year 2 of the Star program
resetjet wrote:
Might be too many roosters in the henhouse.
TeamGreen wrote:
I get what you’re saying; but, these days? Having 3-4 great riders under your banner means you’re increasing your odds of having one of them STILL...
I get what you’re saying; but, these days?

Having 3-4 great riders under your banner means you’re increasing your odds of having one of them STILL running at the seasons end and competing for The Red Plate.

What Star is doing now is exactly what Honda did back in the day.
I get what your saying but i could not imagine having two riders of the same team and class a few points apart all season…..drama!!! However i think if i had to pick two riders, one would be DF14.
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Skerby 9/7/2021 4:27pm
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Guys are scoring points on bone stock bikes out there. Chiz's bike also basically bone stock.
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Pistonslap 9/7/2021 6:47pm
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Yamahas suck. Too heavy. Too wide. And there's no way Dylan won on a bike with a noisy intake like that. The only reason the Star yamaha worked so good because they sprinkled fairy dust on them. Please keep buying KTMs, Hondas or whatever because I like being able to get new YZ450s every year. Besides if everyone bought Yamahas what would the aftermarket suspension companies do for income?
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