So can’t have a race in Texas or Florida because it’s too hot….

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Pala is a eye sore
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But why?? 😂 nobody will give an explanation. It literally has the exact same landscape as every track in SoCal. Some dude compared it to cahuilla...
But why?? 😂 nobody will give an explanation. It literally has the exact same landscape as every track in SoCal. Some dude compared it to cahuilla and they’re literally on the same little mountain range haha what makes it an eye sore? Because it wasn’t in your state? The Florida rounds were literally a field with a man made hill and sand.
Because it looks like someone went to the desert and drove a water truck around to create the layout 😂
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I’m sure if Texas and Florida had promoters willing to pay the MX Sports fees, MX Sports would be happy to let them host a race. It’s a real roll of the dice for a promoter in both of those states to invest the kind of money takes to bring a national to town when a 105 degree day with humidity would guarantee the promoter loses his ass. The crowd looked pretty thin at Pala, but the Indians probably look at the race as a promotional expense for their casino.
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yak651 wrote:
Because it looks like someone went to the desert and drove a water truck around to create the layout 😂
I struggle to see how any of you can say this lol you obviously have never been there.
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Looks like a good place to use for a bomb range. No trees, it’s barren and flat out ugly, there is no changing it. Not somewhere...
Looks like a good place to use for a bomb range. No trees, it’s barren and flat out ugly, there is no changing it. Not somewhere that looks appealing to visit. Millville, washougal, etc .. those type of places are easy on the eyes and in general look like a nice place to be.
You ever been to a track in SoCal that is inviting to look at? 😂 our landscape is the same everywhere here. Every track looks the same. Not one person said this dumb shit about Glen Helen lol complaining just to complain.
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9/5/2021 8:29am Edited Date/Time 9/5/2021 8:29am
I’m sure if Texas and Florida had promoters willing to pay the MX Sports fees, MX Sports would be happy to let them host a race...
I’m sure if Texas and Florida had promoters willing to pay the MX Sports fees, MX Sports would be happy to let them host a race. It’s a real roll of the dice for a promoter in both of those states to invest the kind of money takes to bring a national to town when a 105 degree day with humidity would guarantee the promoter loses his ass. The crowd looked pretty thin at Pala, but the Indians probably look at the race as a promotional expense for their casino.
The race was in September because of COVID, just like Hangtown this coming weekend. They do not pay an exorbitant fee. Unlike Florida and Texas, the fans (and industry) still come out when it's really hot. We tried nationals in Texas and Florida but they don't work in the time frame of late May to late August.

And please remember that Glen Helen is not on the schedule because they canceled their round of the series and asked to be take off the schedule. Twice. We moved on. Twice.

We're just trying to get to the finish line now in what's been a phenomenal series, with very large crowds and great racing. It's not been easy in 2021, but it's been awesome.

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Field of dreams in Lockhart,TX.



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Field of dreams in Lockhart,TX. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/09/05/508728/s1200_spoaksfieldofdreams.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/09/05/508729/s1200_spoakslogotrim.jpg[/img] Chocolate cake mix. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/09/05/508730/s1200_spoaks.jpg[/img]
Field of dreams in Lockhart,TX.



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LOL, I thought you guys wanted elevation?? Those are flat tracks in the middle of a field.
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Pala is a eye sore
xrmark wrote:
But why?? 😂 nobody will give an explanation. It literally has the exact same landscape as every track in SoCal. Some dude compared it to cahuilla...
But why?? 😂 nobody will give an explanation. It literally has the exact same landscape as every track in SoCal. Some dude compared it to cahuilla and they’re literally on the same little mountain range haha what makes it an eye sore? Because it wasn’t in your state? The Florida rounds were literally a field with a man made hill and sand.
yak651 wrote:
Because it looks like someone went to the desert and drove a water truck around to create the layout 😂
Hey, Forks was able to crash into the palm tree, the only vegetation I could see there.
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xrmark wrote:
LOL, I thought you guys wanted elevation?? Those are flat tracks in the middle of a field.
Certainly not an eyesore.
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Start running the season into September every year and put Monster Mountain on the schedule In May or September!
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yak651 wrote:
Because it looks like someone went to the desert and drove a water truck around to create the layout 😂
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I struggle to see how any of you can say this lol you obviously have never been there.
I live in SD and have been to Pala a bunch. It really isn't a pretty facility man. I used to live in Portland, OR and ride at Washougal, which is absolutely beautiful.

The track at Pala is fun, and we'll maintained. But it's a very desolate and barren landscape with no shade for the fans at all. I struggle to see why you're defending against that. There are beautiful deserts (Joshua tree, anzo borrego, etc) but Pala is not in one of them.

That said I will go anywhere they hold MX in socal. I went to lake Elsinore, and that's the worst facility I've ever seen a pro race at.
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I live in SD and have been to Pala a bunch. It really isn't a pretty facility man. I used to live in Portland, OR and...
I live in SD and have been to Pala a bunch. It really isn't a pretty facility man. I used to live in Portland, OR and ride at Washougal, which is absolutely beautiful.

The track at Pala is fun, and we'll maintained. But it's a very desolate and barren landscape with no shade for the fans at all. I struggle to see why you're defending against that. There are beautiful deserts (Joshua tree, anzo borrego, etc) but Pala is not in one of them.

That said I will go anywhere they hold MX in socal. I went to lake Elsinore, and that's the worst facility I've ever seen a pro race at.
Glen Helen, Barren landscape with no shade. But nobody said a dam thing when it was at GH. Just people complaining to complain. And yes Elsinore was terrible.
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D.K.O.N. wrote:
I live in SD and have been to Pala a bunch. It really isn't a pretty facility man. I used to live in Portland, OR and...
I live in SD and have been to Pala a bunch. It really isn't a pretty facility man. I used to live in Portland, OR and ride at Washougal, which is absolutely beautiful.

The track at Pala is fun, and we'll maintained. But it's a very desolate and barren landscape with no shade for the fans at all. I struggle to see why you're defending against that. There are beautiful deserts (Joshua tree, anzo borrego, etc) but Pala is not in one of them.

That said I will go anywhere they hold MX in socal. I went to lake Elsinore, and that's the worst facility I've ever seen a pro race at.
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Glen Helen, Barren landscape with no shade. But nobody said a dam thing when it was at GH. Just people complaining to complain. And yes Elsinore...
Glen Helen, Barren landscape with no shade. But nobody said a dam thing when it was at GH. Just people complaining to complain. And yes Elsinore was terrible.
I think GH is just a better track overall. Plus there's that spectator bridge/box thing that provides a little shade in the big downhill corner. But overall you're absolutely correct, basically the same landscape.

It also doesn't help that we're in the middle of a hot ass summer and drought, so everything looks dead af.
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As someone who watches the California rounds on tv, I don't really care for any of them. I've been to Pala so I have more interest in that one. Glen Helen always seemed like a monster truck guy built the track. This will be unpopular but, Hangtown is my least favorite track on the circuit. I know the guys that run it are dedicated and moto to the core but something about that race that I find boring. I'd love to see a beach race or one in the dunes.
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9/5/2021 9:18am Edited Date/Time 9/5/2021 9:18am
D.K.O.N. wrote:
I live in SD and have been to Pala a bunch. It really isn't a pretty facility man. I used to live in Portland, OR and...
I live in SD and have been to Pala a bunch. It really isn't a pretty facility man. I used to live in Portland, OR and ride at Washougal, which is absolutely beautiful.

The track at Pala is fun, and we'll maintained. But it's a very desolate and barren landscape with no shade for the fans at all. I struggle to see why you're defending against that. There are beautiful deserts (Joshua tree, anzo borrego, etc) but Pala is not in one of them.

That said I will go anywhere they hold MX in socal. I went to lake Elsinore, and that's the worst facility I've ever seen a pro race at.
xrmark wrote:
Glen Helen, Barren landscape with no shade. But nobody said a dam thing when it was at GH. Just people complaining to complain. And yes Elsinore...
Glen Helen, Barren landscape with no shade. But nobody said a dam thing when it was at GH. Just people complaining to complain. And yes Elsinore was terrible.
D.K.O.N. wrote:
I think GH is just a better track overall. Plus there's that spectator bridge/box thing that provides a little shade in the big downhill corner. But...
I think GH is just a better track overall. Plus there's that spectator bridge/box thing that provides a little shade in the big downhill corner. But overall you're absolutely correct, basically the same landscape.

It also doesn't help that we're in the middle of a hot ass summer and drought, so everything looks dead af.
Um, aren't you forgetting the GH mountain? BIG difference.

Anybody that has ever flown over Texas or Florida knows the pilot doesn't have to watch out for mountains..
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9/5/2021 9:24am Edited Date/Time 9/5/2021 2:32pm
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I just find it strange they put so little value on the overall appearance of the setting. The race looked like it was being held on...
I just find it strange they put so little value on the overall appearance of the setting. The race looked like it was being held on a barren, faraway, planet. I cannot imagine anyone wanting to attend as a fan, let alone actually have to race on it. No grass, no trees, no picturesque views - just dirt, dust, and rocks.

Meanwhile, in MXGP, "Greeting, race fans. We're here in Patagonia........."
How many bikes trying to qualify for a spot on the start-gate of your “Exclusive Rich Guy” series?
How many “privateers” racing out of their pick-up or van?
How much is the entry for your beloved Rich Guy Series?
How much is a ticket to watch a GP?
Those are the differences that I’d look at B4 I start whining about venues.

But, hey, that’s just me.
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Guessing Arizona is out too?
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D.K.O.N. wrote:
I think GH is just a better track overall. Plus there's that spectator bridge/box thing that provides a little shade in the big downhill corner. But...
I think GH is just a better track overall. Plus there's that spectator bridge/box thing that provides a little shade in the big downhill corner. But overall you're absolutely correct, basically the same landscape.

It also doesn't help that we're in the middle of a hot ass summer and drought, so everything looks dead af.
Some days I like GH more some days I like Pala more. Two complete different types of track really, but 100% it would be a much better race at GH. And yea the drought and heat we’re having isn’t helping anything.
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So the track means zero, you guys just want trees and scenery? Go for a Sunday drive in Vermont if you want that.

Secondly, was it ever said that there should be no rounds in the south due to heat or did vital posters make that up?
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9/5/2021 10:31am Edited Date/Time 9/5/2021 10:32am
Looks like a good place to use for a bomb range. No trees, it’s barren and flat out ugly, there is no changing it. Not somewhere...
Looks like a good place to use for a bomb range. No trees, it’s barren and flat out ugly, there is no changing it. Not somewhere that looks appealing to visit. Millville, washougal, etc .. those type of places are easy on the eyes and in general look like a nice place to be.
Remember. All of Southern California is a desert. Some places only look good and green and lush here because of imported water.

It has not rained here since April, So it looks like a desert in some places, Pala included.

In the winter when it does rain, the hills are green and grass grows on the side of the jumps, but they never show that on tv.
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Swan had 30,000 people at the Pro Challenge last year in the middle of Covid.
The facility is excellent and could hold a national. You can see the whole track from the grandstands.
I have only been to Cycle Ranch once and don’t know how the facility is now but the track was epic.
The problem with Freestone is you can’t see the track to watch the race and it is in the middle of no where.
I stopped going because it was a better experience on tv.
It is good for an amateur national but not good for viewing.
The issue isn’t the heat in Texas. People who live down here are used to it.
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xrmark wrote:
LOL, I thought you guys wanted elevation?? Those are flat tracks in the middle of a field.
Certainly not an eyesore.
Is the surrounding land available for spectator parking?
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So the track means zero, you guys just want trees and scenery? Go for a Sunday drive in Vermont if you want that. Secondly, was it...
So the track means zero, you guys just want trees and scenery? Go for a Sunday drive in Vermont if you want that.

Secondly, was it ever said that there should be no rounds in the south due to heat or did vital posters make that up?
Haha, I was thinking the same thing, who cares about scenery. Nice crappers for the ladies is all that matters.

I believe the even bigger issue than rider safety in the heat is what DC eluded to, spectators don’t wanna stand around in the heat.

If they could get a round at Cycle Ranch that would be amazing, IMHO the place could handle a National. But would have to be in a cooler month. 45 min from San Antonio airport, 1:40 from Austin.

An even better idea is at the Circuit of the Americas. Would have to be a temporary man made deal. But right next to Austin would be badass. Wasn’t this talked about years ago?
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Silas444 wrote:
I just find it strange they put so little value on the overall appearance of the setting. The race looked like it was being held on...
I just find it strange they put so little value on the overall appearance of the setting. The race looked like it was being held on a barren, faraway, planet. I cannot imagine anyone wanting to attend as a fan, let alone actually have to race on it. No grass, no trees, no picturesque views - just dirt, dust, and rocks.

Meanwhile, in MXGP, "Greeting, race fans. We're here in Patagonia........."
Oh gee why don’t we just snap our fucking fingers and make the barren foothills of the Southern California desert into a geology it is not. You people are insufferable.
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9/5/2021 3:41pm Edited Date/Time 9/5/2021 3:44pm
xrmark wrote:
LOL, I thought you guys wanted elevation?? Those are flat tracks in the middle of a field.
Certainly not an eyesore.
DaveB771 wrote:
Is the surrounding land available for spectator parking?
Yes, and a sand, Vet, GP, mini and flat track with 7 miles of trails. JDGP coming.15 minutes from COTA.
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seth505 wrote:
So the track means zero, you guys just want trees and scenery? Go for a Sunday drive in Vermont if you want that. Secondly, was it...
So the track means zero, you guys just want trees and scenery? Go for a Sunday drive in Vermont if you want that.

Secondly, was it ever said that there should be no rounds in the south due to heat or did vital posters make that up?
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Haha, I was thinking the same thing, who cares about scenery. Nice crappers for the ladies is all that matters. I believe the even bigger issue...
Haha, I was thinking the same thing, who cares about scenery. Nice crappers for the ladies is all that matters.

I believe the even bigger issue than rider safety in the heat is what DC eluded to, spectators don’t wanna stand around in the heat.

If they could get a round at Cycle Ranch that would be amazing, IMHO the place could handle a National. But would have to be in a cooler month. 45 min from San Antonio airport, 1:40 from Austin.

An even better idea is at the Circuit of the Americas. Would have to be a temporary man made deal. But right next to Austin would be badass. Wasn’t this talked about years ago?
Cycle Ranch has a parking problem, Cota would work on the finish line, not in the parking lot. It would be SX though.
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Swan had 30,000 people at the Pro Challenge last year in the middle of Covid. The facility is excellent and could hold a national. You can...
Swan had 30,000 people at the Pro Challenge last year in the middle of Covid.
The facility is excellent and could hold a national. You can see the whole track from the grandstands.
I have only been to Cycle Ranch once and don’t know how the facility is now but the track was epic.
The problem with Freestone is you can’t see the track to watch the race and it is in the middle of no where.
I stopped going because it was a better experience on tv.
It is good for an amateur national but not good for viewing.
The issue isn’t the heat in Texas. People who live down here are used to it.
30,000….did Giuseppe Luongo count them…
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Dallas to Cali is pretty much dessert wrong part of the country if you want to see lakes and green stuff. It’s 108 in Arizona now it’s hard to get a sweat going it’s so dry. I just finished calastedics jumping jacks and running in place, I asked some travelers if they wanted to join in, no takers odd responses of no thank you. I had a pare of shorts on I didn’t try on at the store, there a little short. Haha
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Denn700 wrote:
Swan had 30,000 people at the Pro Challenge last year in the middle of Covid. The facility is excellent and could hold a national. You can...
Swan had 30,000 people at the Pro Challenge last year in the middle of Covid.
The facility is excellent and could hold a national. You can see the whole track from the grandstands.
I have only been to Cycle Ranch once and don’t know how the facility is now but the track was epic.
The problem with Freestone is you can’t see the track to watch the race and it is in the middle of no where.
I stopped going because it was a better experience on tv.
It is good for an amateur national but not good for viewing.
The issue isn’t the heat in Texas. People who live down here are used to it.
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30,000….did Giuseppe Luongo count them…
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9/5/2021 5:38pm Edited Date/Time 9/5/2021 5:40pm
Silas444 wrote:
I just find it strange they put so little value on the overall appearance of the setting. The race looked like it was being held on...
I just find it strange they put so little value on the overall appearance of the setting. The race looked like it was being held on a barren, faraway, planet. I cannot imagine anyone wanting to attend as a fan, let alone actually have to race on it. No grass, no trees, no picturesque views - just dirt, dust, and rocks.

Meanwhile, in MXGP, "Greeting, race fans. We're here in Patagonia........."
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How many bikes trying to qualify for a spot on the start-gate of your “Exclusive Rich Guy” series? How many “privateers” racing out of their pick-up...
How many bikes trying to qualify for a spot on the start-gate of your “Exclusive Rich Guy” series?
How many “privateers” racing out of their pick-up or van?
How much is the entry for your beloved Rich Guy Series?
How much is a ticket to watch a GP?
Those are the differences that I’d look at B4 I start whining about venues.

But, hey, that’s just me.
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You are so right. What was I thinking? Unlike all those stupid, miserable, filthy rich losers who race MXGP, every privateer at Pala was likely spending each lap counting their blessings about how incredibly good they've got it here. I mean, to be making tens of dollars while crisscrossing the country living in a van, and then joyously racing at a dusty, dangerous, baked-out, rutted-out, sketched-out, man-made travesty of a track in front of a sparse crowd before peacefully relaxing between motos in a tub filled with ice to avoid heat stroke while you nurse your other injuries.

Thank God you came along and opened my eyes. My thoughts were idiotic, and I apologize. MXGP isn't worth spit.
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