Supermini's.....will anyone challenge Deegan?

8/2/2021 9:25am
Who knows Evan Ferry's date of birth? A google search shows DOB's for Cochran and Deegan but I couldn't find Evan Ferry's bday:

Casey Cochran - 6/24/2006 - Age 15 years 1 months 9 days
Haiden Deegan - 1/10/2006 - Age 15 years 6 months 23 days
Evan Ferry - ??- Age 16
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Just to keep rambling like an old idiot, look at how the Red Dogs carry themselves as a contrast. They still have the connections and the...
Just to keep rambling like an old idiot, look at how the Red Dogs carry themselves as a contrast. They still have the connections and the advantages, but seem respectful and honest along with it. That's all I'll say.
I think the differences in how they act have more to do with money (via YouTube). The Deegan's are looking at things a little more different (I assume) due to making money off their content. Just something to think about when you see how they act. I'm willing to bet the Haiden no longer has to work with how much money he has made from Youtube and endorsements.
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I think we may try to compare apples with oranges. Deegan was pretty small for his age until about 3 months ago. I also don't think that is called sandbagging or cherry picking when the whole program for the year is quite decided much earlier (along with sponsors). I also remember him racing supermini like 2 years ago in sx, finishing 2nd behind Reynolds so they are not afraid to compete against the best and take that as a learning. In 125 he would be top 3 probably, in B too, in A, not sure, probably top 3 to top 8 (if that was now).

The only problem with racing superminis now is the pressure or expectations, he goes for the win, whereas he could take it more as a learning (and maybe developing more race craft with more battles) if he was racing now the 125 or 250. I really hope he can come in europe for some racing, no matter what people say, they do it well and are very likeable.

I wish Cochran and Jannik to do well too, the exposure the Deegan brings is helping a lot other amateurs to move up and build a fan base too. For most people, 5 or 10 years ago, we could not name more than 3 amateurs and now we know 20 of them.
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8/2/2021 10:31am
That's fair, I certainly don't think there's anything wrong with the class Haiden is in but just couldn't help agreeing with the comparison to what they'd bashed Ferry Jr for.

Also fair point on the social media / content angle, obviously they are masters at generating clicks and dollars and that is a very real talent also, however I guess like with all things in that vein, journalism, show business, blah blah, any publicity is good publicity and making waves only puts your name out there more... only gotta look at the Anstie's Mrs' thread to see how hyped folks get on the drama haha
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I think we may try to compare apples with oranges. Deegan was pretty small for his age until about 3 months ago. I also don't think...
I think we may try to compare apples with oranges. Deegan was pretty small for his age until about 3 months ago. I also don't think that is called sandbagging or cherry picking when the whole program for the year is quite decided much earlier (along with sponsors). I also remember him racing supermini like 2 years ago in sx, finishing 2nd behind Reynolds so they are not afraid to compete against the best and take that as a learning. In 125 he would be top 3 probably, in B too, in A, not sure, probably top 3 to top 8 (if that was now).

The only problem with racing superminis now is the pressure or expectations, he goes for the win, whereas he could take it more as a learning (and maybe developing more race craft with more battles) if he was racing now the 125 or 250. I really hope he can come in europe for some racing, no matter what people say, they do it well and are very likeable.

I wish Cochran and Jannik to do well too, the exposure the Deegan brings is helping a lot other amateurs to move up and build a fan base too. For most people, 5 or 10 years ago, we could not name more than 3 amateurs and now we know 20 of them.
I agree with what you're saying on some aspects. To be honest, the pressure they put on themselves, Haiden can handle. I'm sure his dad is smart enough to know that and has probably spoken to his kid. Like I said, it's all about views and money. Case and point, we're talking about kids that have never lined up at a pro race. As far as racing supermini's, I don't see the problem. If anything, it's less of problem racing a bike he can ride and has won on. You can't tell me putting him on bigger bike against kids he hasn't raced with is not more pressure. Let's be honest, a racer is a racer. A good racer doesn't care who is lined up next to him. However, when it come to older kids racing younger kids, there is a difference. Yes, there are exceptions. Not sure why everyone is trying to rush this kid on to a 125 or 250F. I also highly doubt he will race in Europe. What do they have to gain? I think his dad is smart and knows his kid better than any of us. I'm also sure he has ridden 125's and 250F's. He has unlimited resources, I'm sure they are riding and testing bigger bikes. These mini kids are talented, work hard and have skill. I think they will all be good down the road. However, none of these supermini kids will line up at a pro race or against true A riders and beat them. top 3 is a pipe dream! There's a few really fast A riders that would beat these mini kids, no doubt about it lol. That being said, they should. They are older and have more experience riding bigger bikes. I'm not sure if Deegan helps or hurts the sport. I do think it takes some of the pressure off the other kids and probably pisses them off and makes them even more hungry.
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8/2/2021 11:25am
I never thought I'd say this, but all the negative talk on deegan actually has me kind of rooting for him
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8/2/2021 11:33am
Which Supermini class are Deegan and Cochran in?
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I never thought I'd say this, but all the negative talk on deegan actually has me kind of rooting for him
Not sure why a lot of people are shitty on this kid. Jealous perhaps. In the end, he's a kid and we should root for all of them to succeed. In the end, the kids are the future of the sport. That being said, society as a whole are full of assholes with the "pile on" mentality. I could give two shits about the Deegan's but I root for all kids. Unless they are racing my kid lol. Just being honest lol.
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8/2/2021 11:49am
i dont know about all the minibike drama...but that bike of CC's is bad ass....can someone post a pic of it?
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8/2/2021 12:12pm
never seen deegan ride but i have seen evan ride in florida kid can whip over braking bumps he is lighting fast and stylish at same time the future looks bright !!!
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8/2/2021 1:47pm
Roczen and Herlings was winning mx2 GPs at Deegans age. Just a fun comparison lol.
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8/2/2021 2:13pm
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Roczen and Herlings was winning mx2 GPs at Deegans age. Just a fun comparison lol.
This is a good point to make, BUT it also proves every single rider is different. Once Herlings moved up to MX1 he's been injury-prone. Roczen has shown many many times he can't handle heavy pressure in a race situation.
It's also a different era, so it's difficult to compare guys. I wasn't a fan of Deegan, and I'm still really not, but even though there is a lot of money behind him...he's still going to have to perform. Granted it will be "easier" because of that money and his equipment, but equipment can't cover up lack of effort and heart.
Brian is definitely a master at leveraging everything he can for his kid, which should be expected. Like someone said before, the Ferry's are doing the same thing, they just aren't as loud about it.
At the end of all of this, what's going to matter is when he does line up at his first national. Everything up until that point, even Loretta's, is just preparation, right?
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8/2/2021 2:21pm
Doesn't look like the Cochran kid is hurting for money either.

What do these guys have into one of those bikes? $20k?
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8/2/2021 2:42pm
The Deegan hate is laughable and comes from the same guys that whine "We need the sport to grow."

The sport and everybody in it will be better off if Deegan is as good as advertised. How many kids watch that family's YouTube and don't even ride dirt bikes? How many of those kids are begging their parents for a new bike. Like them or hate them, they have social media and promotion figured out. You know what they say "A rising tide raises all boats."
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8/2/2021 2:56pm
Sideways wrote:
Roczen and Herlings was winning mx2 GPs at Deegans age. Just a fun comparison lol.

It is not fully fair as these kids are developing to ride and race sx most of the year. That is why I am not shocked to see them turning pro around 18. Also, making a system to turn pro too young puts school between brackets, so out of 2 or 10 champions, that will ruin the life of many more kids, as the younger they "should" turn pro, the more kids will skip any chances to work in the industry or to go to a decent uni if things don't work or in case of injuries.

For instance Tortelli was a great example in France as he passed the most competitive A level (scientific) at 18, maybe the year he got world champ in 125, but if my memory is correct during his 250 world title. Around that time, in France, after Bayle's success, half to 2 third of the top 10 in the 80 and 125 junior classes (who were also training in sx quite regularly) were not going to school any more from around 13 years old, most of them skiping home school under 16, with quite a few leaving the secondary or the high school with 0 degree. Some were financially confortable, many not that much, most never made it and if they have a job now and are not permanently injured many are working for little money or at least much less than their parents. From Tortelli, I really think more parents said "hey, if Tortelli can become world champion while being in high school, you will pass your A level".

I know it is beautiful to have seen the rise of Roczen and Herlings, I was watching quite in shock in 09 then 2010, but they are not the norm and it should not be, unless we can have a system where the pro class has a development class that puts school mandatory (a 125 E/W sx & mx championship could fit well here).
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8/2/2021 3:20pm
LungButter wrote:
Doesn't look like the Cochran kid is hurting for money either.

What do these guys have into one of those bikes? $20k?
His dad is an airline pilot so he makes a good living, his dad is rarely at the races though, It’s often his mom.
Yes Those 112 supermini like this cost around 15k. Those engines are pushed so much and doesn’t last long between the hands of top mini riders.
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I find it funny that Haiden accuses Evan Ferry of cherry-picking 125 class races when he himself is actually doing so on superminis. If I remember...
I find it funny that Haiden accuses Evan Ferry of cherry-picking 125 class races when he himself is actually doing so on superminis. If I remember right, Haiden raced a 125 at Mini-O's and whined because the big boys bounced him around a little and apparently cut him off when he tried to get the holeshot. Look, I wish the kid the best, but I think he is in for a rude awakening once he hits big bikes. Right now he's a big fish in a small pond. The problem is most of the kids that Deegan races are all fans of his. Once he enters into the big bike classes with older kids who could care less about the Deegans, they are not going to roll over and play dead when challenged.
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That's why i don't understand why people care so much about this. All these races mean next to nothing, especially for guys like Deegan that will...
That's why i don't understand why people care so much about this. All these races mean next to nothing, especially for guys like Deegan that will get their fair shot at it as a pro from day 1 with good bikes. Things start to matter once you hit the pro level.

JT talks about this on his latest podcast where he compares the US amateur racing setup to the EMX setup, and how far off the US amateur races really is to actual pro racing.

It will be interesting to watch Deegan when he turns pro. What he does now as a 15 year old on a supermini with a taller seat on is not that interesting to be honest.
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Brian and Levi have to agree. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/02/503922/s1200_0F3A1508_1D2B_4533_BB39_41DA989BDA4E.jpg[/img]
Brian and Levi have to agree.


where is that post from?
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8/2/2021 3:31pm
Sideways wrote:
Roczen and Herlings was winning mx2 GPs at Deegans age. Just a fun comparison lol.
Kay DeWolf is 16, wining MX2 in Lommel. Just a more recent comparison.
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8/2/2021 3:42pm
Sounds like Deegan is going to Star Yamaha after this.
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His dad is an airline pilot so he makes a good living, his dad is rarely at the races though, It’s often his mom. Yes Those...
His dad is an airline pilot so he makes a good living, his dad is rarely at the races though, It’s often his mom.
Yes Those 112 supermini like this cost around 15k. Those engines are pushed so much and doesn’t last long between the hands of top mini riders.
Deegan already lost an engine in his first practice.
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Sounds like Deegan is going to Star Yamaha after this.
Buddy in the industry?
Cooksey media on YouTube.
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8/2/2021 4:01pm
Sounds like Deegan is going to Star Yamaha after this.
Buddy in the industry?
Cooksey media on YouTube.
Heard the same, bet that was not cheap.
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LungButter wrote:
Doesn't look like the Cochran kid is hurting for money either.

What do these guys have into one of those bikes? $20k?
Not sure if anyone saw but Cochran’s grand father was on American pickers the other night. Used to own a motorcycle shop and raced street bikes.
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LKHill wrote:
Deegan already lost an engine in his first practice.
It’s starting… that’s why some families stay with a 105, it’s much more reliable. Those last 7cc’s are really costly.
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8/2/2021 4:19pm Edited Date/Time 8/2/2021 4:33pm
LungButter wrote:
Doesn't look like the Cochran kid is hurting for money either.

What do these guys have into one of those bikes? $20k?
drivrswntd wrote:
Not sure if anyone saw but Cochran’s grand father was on American pickers the other night. Used to own a motorcycle shop and raced street bikes.
Still does own a motorcycle shop, one of the largest in the MidSouth. LakeHill Motors in Corinth MS, he also has a very large collection of antique bikes. He actually has a motorcycle museum. If you ever go through Corinth you should stop and check it out.

Also someone asked about Casey's dad. He is a retired Naval Aviator (F-18 Pilot), a Navy Captain to be specific. He fly's for FEDEX now. Also, he does his best to be at every one of Casey's races. Casey's mom is a retired Navy Senior Chief, so yes they both have given many years in support of this country.
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Buddy in the industry?
Cooksey media on YouTube.
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Heard the same, bet that was not cheap.
Cochran was in talk with Star a few months ago this spring. Idk now if something is signed but with the budget they have I wouldn’t be soo surprised if they sign both kids.
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8/2/2021 4:27pm Edited Date/Time 8/2/2021 4:32pm
LungButter wrote:
Doesn't look like the Cochran kid is hurting for money either.

What do these guys have into one of those bikes? $20k?
drivrswntd wrote:
Not sure if anyone saw but Cochran’s grand father was on American pickers the other night. Used to own a motorcycle shop and raced street bikes.
dkurtd wrote:
Still does own a motorcycle shop, one of the largest in the MidSouth. LakeHill Motors in Corinth MS, he also has a very large collection of...
Still does own a motorcycle shop, one of the largest in the MidSouth. LakeHill Motors in Corinth MS, he also has a very large collection of antique bikes. He actually has a motorcycle museum. If you ever go through Corinth you should stop and check it out.

Also someone asked about Casey's dad. He is a retired Naval Aviator (F-18 Pilot), a Navy Captain to be specific. He fly's for FEDEX now. Also, he does his best to be at every one of Casey's races. Casey's mom is a retired Navy Senior Chief, so yes they both have given many years in support of this country.
I like Deegan fine but this cements it for me. I'm in the Cochran camp going forward. Best of luck to both riders, I hope they have a safe and successful week.
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