You're the designer of Triumph, with a clean sheet of paper. What do you do?

TeamGreen wrote:

Reynolds Tubing/Chrome plated frame Dark Green/British Competition Green Shrouds & Side-Panels Silver Fenders Euro-sourced hardware where-ever possible and sensible DO NOT let ANYTHING look like somebody-else's...

Reynolds Tubing/Chrome plated frame
Dark Green/British Competition Green Shrouds & Side-Panels
Silver Fenders
Euro-sourced hardware where-ever possible and sensible
DO NOT let ANYTHING look like somebody-else's hardware
KYB Spring Suspension (Because we all know WP "Air" ain't right for the minions )
250/400/450/500+ (No, not a 350 like the Austrians...a 400 sets Triumph a apart)

Models:
Moto
Off-Road Race
Enduro
Street Legal Enduro
An "Adventure" version of the 400 and 500 with Tan/Buckskin seat and optional bags

theToothPerry wrote:

So its my first time as motorcycle designer go easy on me but I was thinking something like this [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/07/23/502731/s1200_unnamed.jpg[/img]

So its my first time as motorcycle designer go easy on me but I was thinking something like this

Deadric wrote:

I'm digging the idea of the wheels not needing anything to connect them to the rest of the bike. Thats going to be a game changer...

I'm digging the idea of the wheels not needing anything to connect them to the rest of the bike. Thats going to be a game changer in the weight saving department and the ride should be really smooth also.

theToothPerry wrote:

I was thinking it might lower the CG, combined with the front of the motor lower than the axles, the front end feel should be good.

kunk wrote:

Y’all don’t think the tank rubbing on the front tire will be an issue?

Speeddemon73 wrote:

If I was the lead designer/project engineer here is what I would do. [b]First[/b], I would establish the main focus of the project. If I was...

If I was the lead designer/project engineer here is what I would do.
First, I would establish the main focus of the project. If I was Triumph, I would focus on the premier 450 class. Depending on the size of the offroad design team, trying to come out with two engine sizes and bikes at the same time could potentially burn the candle at both ends resulting in two mediocre products versus one really good product.
Second, I would review all current suppliers for the current product line and see who can provide parts for the new project.
Third, after establishing that the main focus is a 450cc bike, benchmark all the current 450 machines and list the strengths and weaknesses of each bike.
Next comes the design stage, and here is a list of what I think personally would make a great British MX bike:
*Steel Frame
*Brembo Brakes - Triumph already uses them on their bikes.
*Ohlins Suspension (Non-air) - Triumph already uses their shocks.
*450 Liquid Cooled Engine of their own design - not helping the market with another KTM copy.
--Design the engine for easy usable power and reliability. Race teams can always pump more HP out.
*Cable Clutch - cheaper than a hydraulic system and use the money elsewhere.
*Electric Start - match current market
*Excel Rims w/billet hubs - use the money saved from avoiding Hydraulic clutch design and invest in strong wheel sets.
*Renthal Components - Bars, Sprockets, Chain - British Company
*Maxxis or Bridgestone tires - again British company.
Overall look - black plastic with Triumph Britania logo on shrouds in white, black bars, black gloss powder-coated frame, black rims with machined aluminum hubs anodized clear, black bar pad with white Triumph logo.
Target the overall price to the public around $9-10K MSRP.

DoctorJD wrote:

Do the exact opposite of everything Cannondale did.

Austin_Rankin wrote:

Build something thats cheap to buy, cause no matter how hard u try KTM will always be the very best they own patents or companys with...

Build something thats cheap to buy, cause no matter how hard u try KTM will always be the very best they own patents or companys with patents on all the best things you could do.

So just build something that will help people go ride and build that community of buyers, themn build your quality bike after 20yrs of raising price every year

Johnny Depp wrote:

50 KW (67hp) water cooled electric with auto trans (3-4 gears) with adjustable motor braking and mapping 2 quick change variable position batteries using only 1...

50 KW (67hp) water cooled electric with auto trans (3-4 gears) with adjustable motor braking and mapping
2 quick change variable position batteries using only 1 at a time (like a reserve) Only need 1 for MX
Left hand rear brake and foot brake with jackshaft mounted rear disc
50 mm spring/air forks with crossover tube and adjustable ride height
Side mounted spring/air shock, no linkage with adjustable shock mounting and shock length
Flex bars with rubber mounted adjustable height
Steel frame with adjustable steering head and steering dampener

Why build/invest in an ICE powertrain that would be obsolete in 5 years?

Johnny Depp wrote:

50 KW (67hp) water cooled electric with auto trans (3-4 gears) with adjustable motor braking and mapping 2 quick change variable position batteries using only 1...

50 KW (67hp) water cooled electric with auto trans (3-4 gears) with adjustable motor braking and mapping
2 quick change variable position batteries using only 1 at a time (like a reserve) Only need 1 for MX
Left hand rear brake and foot brake with jackshaft mounted rear disc
50 mm spring/air forks with crossover tube and adjustable ride height
Side mounted spring/air shock, no linkage with adjustable shock mounting and shock length
Flex bars with rubber mounted adjustable height
Steel frame with adjustable steering head and steering dampener

Why build/invest in an ICE powertrain that would be obsolete in 5 years?

Alan Dove wrote:

because that's what is raced across the entire world and makes up the overwhelming majority of dirtbike sales. Yam just bought out a new YZ250.

Johnny Depp wrote:

There's no right or wrong on a forum. Don't box your ideas in by what we have now.

gt80rider wrote:

How many poles on the motor? Out-runner for more torque? Sensored? Cell count? And yes, adjustable drag brake, which you call motor braking, is standard on...

How many poles on the motor? Out-runner for more torque? Sensored? Cell count?

And yes, adjustable drag brake, which you call motor braking, is standard on most speed controllers.... also yes, power curves (and even the braking curve) which you call mapping, are typically fully adjustable....