Webb leaving Bakers Factory

5/18/2021 2:02pm
As with most things. Follow the money. Could just want a change too. Maybe order a pizza. Maybe we dont know? Maybe he bought bitcoin and is retiring.
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5/18/2021 2:02pm Edited Date/Time 5/18/2021 2:04pm
If this is true, I'd speculate the following reasons:

1. He is very familiar with the program at this point and can confidently carry on the routine without paying Aldon, and in a more desirable location. (The former may not be true because doesn't KTM pick up Aldon's tab?).
2. He's doesn't want to train with Marv anymore. Example in MotoSpy (around 8:49): https://youtu.be/iSaL6yiSDXI?t=529
3. He's won two premiere championships and would rather lengthen his career than burn himself out with Aldon's grind.

The most likely answer is none of the above. All I know is that Webb is the most mentally tough bastard in the field right now and he could probably kick back and drink some beers and still win races.
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5/18/2021 3:02pm Edited Date/Time 5/18/2021 3:24pm
I don't know shit about shit.

But like in the Tomac thread, where I said it seems like he needs a change, what it seems like Webb needs is even more of whatever he has been getting.
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5/18/2021 3:04pm
Bakers program isn’t cheap even on a superstar salary. After seeing the program I’d imagine he can emulate it now and not foot the Bill.
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5/18/2021 3:10pm
Didn’t Carmichael and Stewart leave him and keep winning?
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5/18/2021 3:15pm
That was unexpected
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5/18/2021 3:36pm
I wonder if Aldon gets a championship bonus?
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5/18/2021 3:36pm
What a terrible move. He should ask Roczen and Anderson how that story goes.
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5/18/2021 3:36pm
Kawboy14! wrote:
Didn’t Carmichael and Stewart leave him and keep winning?
Not RC. RC was with Aldon all the way till the end in 07
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5/18/2021 4:21pm
Aldons program takes the guess work out, now that Webb knows what he needs to do, I’m sure he can continue the program but tailor it a little more to himself.. the bakers program can’t be much fun, but sure gets results.
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5/18/2021 4:23pm Edited Date/Time 5/18/2021 4:45pm
Aldons program takes the guess work out, now that Webb knows what he needs to do, I’m sure he can continue the program but tailor it...
Aldons program takes the guess work out, now that Webb knows what he needs to do, I’m sure he can continue the program but tailor it a little more to himself.. the bakers program can’t be much fun, but sure gets results.
Changing your whole professional lifestyle, whether you know what to do or not, is not a linear process.

Most of us have a few years to dial it in, but professional athletes aren't granted much of a window in that regard.
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5/18/2021 4:24pm
Doesn't KTM pick up the tab for Aldon???
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5/18/2021 4:30pm
BroFoSho wrote:
Doesn't KTM pick up the tab for Aldon???
I thought they just paid him a retainer to keep everyone he trains under the KTM Group umbrella, but the riders have to foot the actual bill for the training.
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5/18/2021 4:45pm
maybe Paul jr is on the way
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5/18/2021 4:50pm
Wow. I can’t believe Paul Webb is leaving Aldon
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5/18/2021 4:55pm
Wow. I can’t believe Paul Webb is leaving Aldon
Geez. First Michael Cianciarulo, now Paul Webb.

Man, who's next? Jeremiah Musquin?
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5/18/2021 5:29pm
If true, I'd suggest that knowing the program and executing it yourself isn't the same as being at the facility day in, day out, training with Aldon in person who would continue to light a fire under him if he slacks off.

Unless he's switching back to Swanny, or using Aldon's program with Swanny as the trainer, who is going to keep him honest on days when he's not feeling it? Self motivation is good, but some days everyone needs a little push along.
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5/18/2021 5:34pm
I think this move speaks volumes for how successful yet unsustainable that program is in the long run. He dedicated 3 years of 100% for two championships and a boat load of cash. He’s good. You can’t blame him. Doesn’t necessarily have anything to prove. (I’m not a huge coop fan either)
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5/18/2021 5:43pm
What about the facility, the tracks, track prep, dirt working requirement,etc? Doesn't that all come with the Aldon program? So Aldon's is more then just physical training. Maybe that $100K ain't so much after all?
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5/18/2021 5:47pm
For whatever reasons he has I think Webb did the right thing.
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5/18/2021 5:53pm Edited Date/Time 5/18/2021 6:45pm
Some of you need to calm down..

Its not just Cooper Webb.. Its the contract between the KTM umbrella and Aldon has expired.
nothing has been renewed yet or confirmed.

could still be in negotiations or could see a new trainer come about.
Or riders could go solo.. nothing yet has been said.
could even be other manufacturers putting in a bid for Aldons program.


Its not like its Webb walking away from Aldon.. I dare say regardless, Webb will stay around the Baker Factory
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5/18/2021 6:33pm Edited Date/Time 5/18/2021 6:36pm
I could be wrong, but Aldon baker seems to have the most success with the short, stout, rider:

Carmichael
Villopoto
Webb
Osbourne

taller or skinnier racers who have left or who are not breaking out -

Stewart
Cianciarulo
Roczen
Anderson
Musquin
Hampshire

the only rider who is a taller guy and did really well was Ryan Dungey. I remember Roczen saying he was so tired and weak during training that his legs were shaking. Is the extreme diet while on Baker's program too much for some riders to handle?

or are the successful racers under his program so mentally strong that they can handle anything Baker dishes out?

The point is nothing, it was just interesting to me that the shorter, thicker guys do better there.
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5/18/2021 6:35pm
Any clue what Aldon charges to train someone like Webb on a yearly basis?
Over 200k
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5/18/2021 6:36pm Edited Date/Time 5/18/2021 6:39pm
Brent wrote:
I could be wrong, but Aldon baker seems to have the most success with the short, stout, rider: Carmichael Villopoto Webb Osbourne taller or skinnier racers...
I could be wrong, but Aldon baker seems to have the most success with the short, stout, rider:

Carmichael
Villopoto
Webb
Osbourne

taller or skinnier racers who have left or who are not breaking out -

Stewart
Cianciarulo
Roczen
Anderson
Musquin
Hampshire

the only rider who is a taller guy and did really well was Ryan Dungey. I remember Roczen saying he was so tired and weak during training that his legs were shaking. Is the extreme diet while on Baker's program too much for some riders to handle?

or are the successful racers under his program so mentally strong that they can handle anything Baker dishes out?

The point is nothing, it was just interesting to me that the shorter, thicker guys do better there.
"taller/skinnier riders who have left or who are not breaking out-"

Didn't Stewart, Roczen, Anderson all win premiere-level championships with him? I can't imagine what more you could want there...
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5/18/2021 6:40pm
Any clue what Aldon charges to train someone like Webb on a yearly basis?
300k-400k a year
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5/18/2021 6:44pm
"taller/skinnier riders who have left or who are not breaking out-" Didn't Stewart, Roczen, Anderson all win premiere-level championships with him? I can't imagine what more...
"taller/skinnier riders who have left or who are not breaking out-"

Didn't Stewart, Roczen, Anderson all win premiere-level championships with him? I can't imagine what more you could want there...
IF I remember correctly, they all won one championship and then left.

Here is what Roczen said:


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5/18/2021 6:44pm Edited Date/Time 5/18/2021 8:44pm
Any clue what Aldon charges to train someone like Webb on a yearly basis?
Zycki11 wrote:
300k-400k a year
So what is the average cost in that range?

Just tell us. Halfway betwixt the 300 and 400 marks. You know you want to...

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Any clue what Aldon charges to train someone like Webb on a yearly basis?
Gus wrote:
I’m guessing, but I think I’ve heard it on a pod before... 100k?
So why do the riders have to pay him if KTM is paying him?
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5/18/2021 7:03pm
Brent wrote:
I could be wrong, but Aldon baker seems to have the most success with the short, stout, rider: Carmichael Villopoto Webb Osbourne taller or skinnier racers...
I could be wrong, but Aldon baker seems to have the most success with the short, stout, rider:

Carmichael
Villopoto
Webb
Osbourne

taller or skinnier racers who have left or who are not breaking out -

Stewart
Cianciarulo
Roczen
Anderson
Musquin
Hampshire

the only rider who is a taller guy and did really well was Ryan Dungey. I remember Roczen saying he was so tired and weak during training that his legs were shaking. Is the extreme diet while on Baker's program too much for some riders to handle?

or are the successful racers under his program so mentally strong that they can handle anything Baker dishes out?

The point is nothing, it was just interesting to me that the shorter, thicker guys do better there.
AC9 kicked ass on his final 250F season and won 450 outdoor nationals as rookie, and you're saying "he's not breaking out?"

How did Roczen do after leaving Baker? Only fucking dominated the 2016 450 MX Nationals.

RJ Hampshire is riding his best ever.... I call that a Baker win.

Your claim has holes bro.
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5/18/2021 7:04pm
By the way, how tall is Stew?
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