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Edited Date/Time 2/8/2021 6:31am
... It is freaking time for some changes.... I say 1-lap down... Black flag
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2/6/2021 8:00pm Edited Date/Time 2/6/2021 8:00pm
Sounds good with a large depth of field like in the 450's, but you might end up with only 5 riders left on the track in 250 East.
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Bad idea, then your going to have lappers racing the leader to not get the boot, which will lead to more conflict. Riders being lapped need to be warned better and do more to move.
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gt80rider
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2/6/2021 8:18pm
Get lapped and pull off? There would be like 5 bikes left on the last lap....

The actual problem here is Length Of The Lap Time.... get back up in the mid to high 50s and a whole lot of lap traffic goes away...

Arenacross tracks being used for supercross equals shitty supercross.. lol....plain and simple
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2/6/2021 10:21pm
Yeah. I’ve been on the “lappers are part of racing” band wagon for some time now but this is beyond ridiculous....especially when we are racing on 45 second tracks

That whoop section tonight did provide some good racing but the rest of the track ...
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2/6/2021 11:33pm
Reduce the field by 5 riders and have a short B main . Lose the 250 east/west format . Too many lappers in all classes . It doesn’t work on modern 45 second SX tracks .
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Moto88
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2/6/2021 11:43pm
Just black flag Friese already!
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2/6/2021 11:46pm
Lappers are only lappers AFTER they've been lapped- meaning the race leader still has to encounter them and suffer the danger and potential delay. How is that fair on the leader? Huge advantage to stay sat in 2nd place all Moto, right?

STFU with this lapper BS- its all an obstacle of racing.

After implementing this, what obstacle do we remove next to make the racing better?? Perhaps the mass start- that first turn is sketchy dangerous and a pile-up can easily wipe out the championship leader through no fault of his own..
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2/7/2021 12:03am
Every week with the lapper complaint posts. Like people haven’t figured out this is the sport and always will be. Let it lie and stfu about lappers constantly...
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No... they need to be there.

You just need to start penalising them real monetary amounts for ignoring the flags.

Privateers aren't gonna fuck around if it hits their hip-pocket.
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2/7/2021 12:15am
Seems like lappers are causing issues late in the race, simple solution. At the 15minute mark all lappers are black flagged and finish in their respective positions. Leave the last bit of the race for the lead riders.

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If lapper gets away... make him miss next 3 rounds. They will learn fast.
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Crush wrote:
No... they need to be there. You just need to start penalising them real monetary amounts for ignoring the flags. Privateers aren't gonna fuck around if...
No... they need to be there.

You just need to start penalising them real monetary amounts for ignoring the flags.

Privateers aren't gonna fuck around if it hits their hip-pocket.
This, it needs to be costly to ruin a race.
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2/7/2021 1:25am
1 lap down isn't bad. More than that and you should get the black flag.

Crush's idea is also very good. For next year there needs to be penalties for not obeying the blue flag that actually would "hurt" a rider financially or in the points standings. A bit like if you jump on the red cross flag.
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Motofinne wrote:
1 lap down isn't bad. More than that and you should get the black flag. Crush's idea is also very good. For next year there needs...
1 lap down isn't bad. More than that and you should get the black flag.

Crush's idea is also very good. For next year there needs to be penalties for not obeying the blue flag that actually would "hurt" a rider financially or in the points standings. A bit like if you jump on the red cross flag.
Only problem with it is relying on the collective muppetry of the AMA/FIM/Flaggers to get it right and then hand out appropriate flags.

AMA: "You cut the track"
JT: "No I didn't"
AMA: "Here is a picture of someone else doing it. You did this."
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Motofinne
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2/7/2021 1:39am Edited Date/Time 2/7/2021 1:47am
Motofinne wrote:
1 lap down isn't bad. More than that and you should get the black flag. Crush's idea is also very good. For next year there needs...
1 lap down isn't bad. More than that and you should get the black flag.

Crush's idea is also very good. For next year there needs to be penalties for not obeying the blue flag that actually would "hurt" a rider financially or in the points standings. A bit like if you jump on the red cross flag.
Crush wrote:
Only problem with it is relying on the collective muppetry of the AMA/FIM/Flaggers to get it right and then hand out appropriate flags. AMA: "You cut...
Only problem with it is relying on the collective muppetry of the AMA/FIM/Flaggers to get it right and then hand out appropriate flags.

AMA: "You cut the track"
JT: "No I didn't"
AMA: "Here is a picture of someone else doing it. You did this."
Yeah it would probably be a shit show. At least with the red cross flag it is black and white, very difficult to make a wrong decision with penalties there. Penalizing not obeying the blue flag would be much harder.

But something needs to be done.

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2/7/2021 1:55am
Crush wrote:
No... they need to be there. You just need to start penalising them real monetary amounts for ignoring the flags. Privateers aren't gonna fuck around if...
No... they need to be there.

You just need to start penalising them real monetary amounts for ignoring the flags.

Privateers aren't gonna fuck around if it hits their hip-pocket.
you went in the wrong direction with this.... instead of penalising them (let's face it... i don't think we can trust the people in charge to do this right *cough* oldenburg *cough*)... let's reward the dudes who do a good job moving out of the way

take X amount of dollars off the top 10 finishing prize money and let the guys who do the lapping decide how to divy it up..... if rider Y does a good job, give him a bonus, rider Z sucks = no money
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2/7/2021 1:57am
tek14 wrote:
If lapper gets away... make him miss next 3 rounds. They will learn fast.
Will be a race with 10 riders
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Crush wrote:
No... they need to be there. You just need to start penalising them real monetary amounts for ignoring the flags. Privateers aren't gonna fuck around if...
No... they need to be there.

You just need to start penalising them real monetary amounts for ignoring the flags.

Privateers aren't gonna fuck around if it hits their hip-pocket.
ayearinmx wrote:
you went in the wrong direction with this.... instead of penalising them (let's face it... i don't think we can trust the people in charge to...
you went in the wrong direction with this.... instead of penalising them (let's face it... i don't think we can trust the people in charge to do this right *cough* oldenburg *cough*)... let's reward the dudes who do a good job moving out of the way

take X amount of dollars off the top 10 finishing prize money and let the guys who do the lapping decide how to divy it up..... if rider Y does a good job, give him a bonus, rider Z sucks = no money
The podium guys are gonna start slipping the lappers their meager purse money? hahaha
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2/7/2021 2:34am Edited Date/Time 2/7/2021 2:45am
chasetwo79 wrote:
Every week with the lapper complaint posts. Like people haven’t figured out this is the sport and always will be. Let it lie and stfu about...
Every week with the lapper complaint posts. Like people haven’t figured out this is the sport and always will be. Let it lie and stfu about lappers constantly...
I agree, lappers are part of the sport, race, and story.

Maybe they should put horns on the bikes and they can turn every race into Rome at rush hour.
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2/7/2021 2:41am
How about a Christian Craig style device on the rider's bars? All riders could have a small light on their bars that flashes when the lead riders are coming through. The technology for this is already available.
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How about a Christian Craig style device on the rider's bars? All riders could have a small light on their bars that flashes when the lead...
How about a Christian Craig style device on the rider's bars? All riders could have a small light on their bars that flashes when the lead riders are coming through. The technology for this is already available.
How about a shocking device? A leader gets within 2 seconds and the lapper starts getting shocked.
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2/7/2021 2:46am
Crush wrote:
The podium guys are gonna start slipping the lappers their meager purse money? hahaha
no.... the AMA take $100 (whatever amount) off the top 10s purse money and then the people who do the lapping, decide who it's going to...

its what people on here have been crying about, that privateers should make more money, and complaining that the purse is pointless anyway, so what is $100 gonna change. It's a lot better than some guy who doesn't know when to wave a flag, being in charge of handing out penalties which will make or break a privateer.....
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Crush wrote:
The podium guys are gonna start slipping the lappers their meager purse money? hahaha
ayearinmx wrote:
no.... the AMA take $100 (whatever amount) off the top 10s purse money and then the people who do the lapping, decide who it's going to...
no.... the AMA take $100 (whatever amount) off the top 10s purse money and then the people who do the lapping, decide who it's going to...

its what people on here have been crying about, that privateers should make more money, and complaining that the purse is pointless anyway, so what is $100 gonna change. It's a lot better than some guy who doesn't know when to wave a flag, being in charge of handing out penalties which will make or break a privateer.....
I like horns and shockers.
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Flags are too 1900's.

Signs are the future. Hereby i present to you my idea




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2/7/2021 3:24am
Had this fight last week and it was stupid then
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EngIceDave
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Crush wrote:
No... they need to be there. You just need to start penalising them real monetary amounts for ignoring the flags. Privateers aren't gonna fuck around if...
No... they need to be there.

You just need to start penalising them real monetary amounts for ignoring the flags.

Privateers aren't gonna fuck around if it hits their hip-pocket.
What rule did he break?

Can you show us exactly what rule in the rulebook he broke?

Until that checkered flag comes out, everyone is racing. Seems to me, there was a rider not too far ahead of Friese, so he was in his own battle.

Amazing to me how on one hand y'all are screaming and yelling about helping the privateer, but in the next breath y'all want to kick them off the track by midpoint or whatever, as soon as they get lapped, ending their race and and chance to improve their situation.

The first time Eli, Kenny or Cooper go down or have a mechanical issue and wind up getting lapped, having no chance to fight back and earn championship points, you'll change your tune real quick.

Kicking racers off is stupid talk and I can't believe talk of people who've actually raced
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2/7/2021 3:36am Edited Date/Time 2/7/2021 3:36am
45 second lap + field spread = horrendous idea to black flag lapped riders.

Lapped riders is just part of the sport. The lead riders don't own the track.
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EngIceDave
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2/7/2021 3:42am
By the way, Barcia hit Vince

Eli, 722, and Vince all took the same line, Barcia tried to go around the outside. He was the anomaly, not Vince.

Vince didn't know he was there, why he looked back
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2/7/2021 3:54am
Why not something simple like if the blue flag is waving, you hug the left hand tuff blocks no matter what part of the track you are on. It might not always mean that the leaders will get the fast line, but at least it takes the guesswork out of passing.
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EngIceDave wrote:
By the way, Barcia hit Vince Eli, 722, and Vince all took the same line, Barcia tried to go around the outside. He was the anomaly...
By the way, Barcia hit Vince

Eli, 722, and Vince all took the same line, Barcia tried to go around the outside. He was the anomaly, not Vince.

Vince didn't know he was there, why he looked back
Barcia was racing, he had no intention of letting Tomac close the gap on him.
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