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Johnny Lock 2/6/2021 6:29am
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/02/03/476638/s1200_8326627E_F347_43F5_B580_48F80D6C1742.jpg[/img] Here’s a pic of me with my new TI bolt kit. The bike feels so light now!


Here’s a pic of me with my new TI bolt kit. The bike feels so light now!
Front end is a little too light.
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Kezza01 wrote:
Does anyone know the approximate weight saving by using a full ti bolt kit on a 2021 KTM 125sx. I am talking axles, swingarm bolt, everything...
Does anyone know the approximate weight saving by using a full ti bolt kit on a 2021 KTM 125sx. I am talking axles, swingarm bolt, everything

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tahoeacr wrote:
What is your goal? I've got that info wrote down in my garage somewhere. Weighed every bolt I changed on my Freeride and 17 150. On...
What is your goal? I've got that info wrote down in my garage somewhere. Weighed every bolt I changed on my Freeride and 17 150. On my 19 450FE I didn't weigh most the bolts. Just going for the final weigh in. Guts racing lightweight seat foam saved me over 1,000 grams on my 150. Best bang for your buck. One thing you should know is not all Ti bolts are created equal. I've bent and had head failures from bad manufacturing. Also the quality of the Ti stock and even the amount varies.
SilverSpurs wrote:
A lot of cheap Chinese and Russian 6/4 Ti out there. Ask your critical fastener supplier for material test certificates and proof testing of finished products...
A lot of cheap Chinese and Russian 6/4 Ti out there.

Ask your critical fastener supplier for material test certificates and proof testing of finished products and see what they say.

I use surplus Boeing aircraft fasteners as stock and buy US certified bar and sheet material as well as cheap Ebay Ti from Chinese sellers.

There can be huge differences in hardness and strength for the same grades US versus oriental

There is not the uniformity or standards for Ti bike bolts that SAE or JIS specs insist on for steel fasteners and the aircraft industry rigidly specs for their stuff.


You must have stepped on someone’s toes! I have no idea how a post like your’s gets a down vote unless someone is completely ignorant of the facts you posted...or...what is more likely & typical of the Internet...

They don’t want to know about the absolute crap they’re buying from China Grinning
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Kezza01 wrote:
Does anyone know the approximate weight saving by using a full ti bolt kit on a 2021 KTM 125sx. I am talking axles, swingarm bolt, everything...
Does anyone know the approximate weight saving by using a full ti bolt kit on a 2021 KTM 125sx. I am talking axles, swingarm bolt, everything

Cheers
Kez
tahoeacr wrote:
What is your goal? I've got that info wrote down in my garage somewhere. Weighed every bolt I changed on my Freeride and 17 150. On...
What is your goal? I've got that info wrote down in my garage somewhere. Weighed every bolt I changed on my Freeride and 17 150. On my 19 450FE I didn't weigh most the bolts. Just going for the final weigh in. Guts racing lightweight seat foam saved me over 1,000 grams on my 150. Best bang for your buck. One thing you should know is not all Ti bolts are created equal. I've bent and had head failures from bad manufacturing. Also the quality of the Ti stock and even the amount varies.
SilverSpurs wrote:
A lot of cheap Chinese and Russian 6/4 Ti out there. Ask your critical fastener supplier for material test certificates and proof testing of finished products...
A lot of cheap Chinese and Russian 6/4 Ti out there.

Ask your critical fastener supplier for material test certificates and proof testing of finished products and see what they say.

I use surplus Boeing aircraft fasteners as stock and buy US certified bar and sheet material as well as cheap Ebay Ti from Chinese sellers.

There can be huge differences in hardness and strength for the same grades US versus oriental

There is not the uniformity or standards for Ti bike bolts that SAE or JIS specs insist on for steel fasteners and the aircraft industry rigidly specs for their stuff.


Whoa! I want in! Where do I get surplus Boeing aircraft fasteners?
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tahoeacr wrote:
What is your goal? I've got that info wrote down in my garage somewhere. Weighed every bolt I changed on my Freeride and 17 150. On...
What is your goal? I've got that info wrote down in my garage somewhere. Weighed every bolt I changed on my Freeride and 17 150. On my 19 450FE I didn't weigh most the bolts. Just going for the final weigh in. Guts racing lightweight seat foam saved me over 1,000 grams on my 150. Best bang for your buck. One thing you should know is not all Ti bolts are created equal. I've bent and had head failures from bad manufacturing. Also the quality of the Ti stock and even the amount varies.
SilverSpurs wrote:
A lot of cheap Chinese and Russian 6/4 Ti out there. Ask your critical fastener supplier for material test certificates and proof testing of finished products...
A lot of cheap Chinese and Russian 6/4 Ti out there.

Ask your critical fastener supplier for material test certificates and proof testing of finished products and see what they say.

I use surplus Boeing aircraft fasteners as stock and buy US certified bar and sheet material as well as cheap Ebay Ti from Chinese sellers.

There can be huge differences in hardness and strength for the same grades US versus oriental

There is not the uniformity or standards for Ti bike bolts that SAE or JIS specs insist on for steel fasteners and the aircraft industry rigidly specs for their stuff.


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You must have stepped on someone’s toes! I have no idea how a post like your’s gets a down vote unless someone is completely ignorant of...
You must have stepped on someone’s toes! I have no idea how a post like your’s gets a down vote unless someone is completely ignorant of the facts you posted...or...what is more likely & typical of the Internet...

They don’t want to know about the absolute crap they’re buying from China Grinning
Every USA consumer hates China...until they step in a Walmart or need some cheap Ti bolts
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tahoeacr wrote:
What is your goal? I've got that info wrote down in my garage somewhere. Weighed every bolt I changed on my Freeride and 17 150. On...
What is your goal? I've got that info wrote down in my garage somewhere. Weighed every bolt I changed on my Freeride and 17 150. On my 19 450FE I didn't weigh most the bolts. Just going for the final weigh in. Guts racing lightweight seat foam saved me over 1,000 grams on my 150. Best bang for your buck. One thing you should know is not all Ti bolts are created equal. I've bent and had head failures from bad manufacturing. Also the quality of the Ti stock and even the amount varies.
SilverSpurs wrote:
A lot of cheap Chinese and Russian 6/4 Ti out there. Ask your critical fastener supplier for material test certificates and proof testing of finished products...
A lot of cheap Chinese and Russian 6/4 Ti out there.

Ask your critical fastener supplier for material test certificates and proof testing of finished products and see what they say.

I use surplus Boeing aircraft fasteners as stock and buy US certified bar and sheet material as well as cheap Ebay Ti from Chinese sellers.

There can be huge differences in hardness and strength for the same grades US versus oriental

There is not the uniformity or standards for Ti bike bolts that SAE or JIS specs insist on for steel fasteners and the aircraft industry rigidly specs for their stuff.


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Whoa! I want in! Where do I get surplus Boeing aircraft fasteners?
I bought a big lot from a seller on Ebay years ago and other odds and sods. A lot of the styles are imperial threads and completely unusable for things we do.

They can be machined and turned into the odds and ends we do need

Any fastener that gets dropped on the floor during assembly gets swept and tossed at Boeing.
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SilverSpurs wrote:
A lot of cheap Chinese and Russian 6/4 Ti out there. Ask your critical fastener supplier for material test certificates and proof testing of finished products...
A lot of cheap Chinese and Russian 6/4 Ti out there.

Ask your critical fastener supplier for material test certificates and proof testing of finished products and see what they say.

I use surplus Boeing aircraft fasteners as stock and buy US certified bar and sheet material as well as cheap Ebay Ti from Chinese sellers.

There can be huge differences in hardness and strength for the same grades US versus oriental

There is not the uniformity or standards for Ti bike bolts that SAE or JIS specs insist on for steel fasteners and the aircraft industry rigidly specs for their stuff.


Who in the fuck downvotes a great post like this?

Do we have members here that make Chinese Ti bolts or something?
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/02/06/477192/s1200_EfAenF9UEAA_oE0.jpg_large.jpg[/img]

HaHahaha!

In my area there were a bunch of roadside stands that popped up late last year selling Maga shirts and hats, when you drove by you see the stacked boxes of merch with “MADE In CHINA” printed on the side...
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Ok. So after reading replies, I had trouble logging in but now I'm here.
To answer a few questions as to what I was looking for etc, is basically a lighter bike. Its my sons bike, who is a national racer at the pointy end. He is about 5' 8" and about 155 lbs. Losing pounds is not an option as he is already is an elite athlete but he is racing against kids that are 20 lbs lighter than he is. He can usually holeshot most of these kids but you need to understand at the pointy end we are looking at 100th to 1000th of a second. To many it seems like it not even worrh it but its everything at this point. Yes, at this point his strength is what can get him through a moto over his lighter conterparts but its the starts which we want him to dominate on. So, getting back to the start, I bought a near new 250 from a pro a year ago which had a full ti bolt kit installed. I pulled every bolt, pin, nut I could from that bike and installed it on the 125. I didn't change bolts like the engine case bolts or any engine cover bolts as they were'nt all compatable. So the bolts I did change was exerything in the swingarm, excecpt the swingarm bolt, subframe bolts. Engine mounts, triple clamps and front axle.
All this gave me ONLY 2 POUNDS. I'm glad I did'nt spend the $1300+ on the bolt kit. I have ordered the guts light seat as well which will add to it. But I hope it will help other who are wondering the same thing.
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Kezza01 wrote:
Does anyone know the approximate weight saving by using a full ti bolt kit on a 2021 KTM 125sx. I am talking axles, swingarm bolt, everything...
Does anyone know the approximate weight saving by using a full ti bolt kit on a 2021 KTM 125sx. I am talking axles, swingarm bolt, everything

Cheers
Kez
If you want to purchase TI then do it. The factories do, why not you. Who cares what anyone else thinks. They aren't riding your bike, nor do they know your ability, nor do they care. Opinions are like something I heard about,.....Buy the kit and have a cool bike.
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Kezza01 wrote:
Does anyone know the approximate weight saving by using a full ti bolt kit on a 2021 KTM 125sx. I am talking axles, swingarm bolt, everything...
Does anyone know the approximate weight saving by using a full ti bolt kit on a 2021 KTM 125sx. I am talking axles, swingarm bolt, everything

Cheers
Kez
WFO wrote:
If you want to purchase TI then do it. The factories do, why not you. Who cares what anyone else thinks. They aren't riding your bike...
If you want to purchase TI then do it. The factories do, why not you. Who cares what anyone else thinks. They aren't riding your bike, nor do they know your ability, nor do they care. Opinions are like something I heard about,.....Buy the kit and have a cool bike.
Its not about having a cool bike. I may be not the wealthiest person at the track but for me its about having the most competitive bike for my son. Thats why I asked the question about weights. I don't care how the bike looks, its the competitive aspect, abd as I found out from my own observations, the cost of a full ti kit just isn't worth it
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Hoosier tires will save you a lot of weigh and it’s rotational and unsprung
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soggy wrote:
Hoosier tires will save you a lot of weigh and it’s rotational and unsprung
But when you're sponsored by dunlop thats impossible
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soggy wrote:
Hoosier tires will save you a lot of weigh and it’s rotational and unsprung
Kezza01 wrote:
But when you're sponsored by dunlop thats impossible
Spend 4k in ti just to make up what you’re losing with the dunlops....
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SilverSpurs wrote:
A lot of cheap Chinese and Russian 6/4 Ti out there. Ask your critical fastener supplier for material test certificates and proof testing of finished products...
A lot of cheap Chinese and Russian 6/4 Ti out there.

Ask your critical fastener supplier for material test certificates and proof testing of finished products and see what they say.

I use surplus Boeing aircraft fasteners as stock and buy US certified bar and sheet material as well as cheap Ebay Ti from Chinese sellers.

There can be huge differences in hardness and strength for the same grades US versus oriental

There is not the uniformity or standards for Ti bike bolts that SAE or JIS specs insist on for steel fasteners and the aircraft industry rigidly specs for their stuff.


Brent wrote:
Who in the fuck downvotes a great post like this?

Do we have members here that make Chinese Ti bolts or something?
Almost certainly resellers.
The OE bike hardware is not as close to the limit as an aircraft design, let alone a military planes landing gear say, so most of the time things are ok. A decent, certified landing gear single bolt can easily cost more than an entire motorcycle Ti bolt kit.
Front axles are the worry for lower quality gear.
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Do not buy aluminum bolts for anything. You can do much better for cheaper with Chinese ti off of e-bay. I bought all my body panel...
Do not buy aluminum bolts for anything.

You can do much better for cheaper with Chinese ti off of e-bay. I bought all my body panel bolts titanium off of ebay with drilled aluminum washers for less than aluminum from pro-bolt and turns out they are stronger than aluminum, they don't rust or corrode and they are one half the weight. For bolts that don't really bear weight, why not?
Dirty Points wrote:
Not disputing the notion of buying/using these bolts, but what makes you say a Ti bolt is half the weight of an aluminum one? If they...
Not disputing the notion of buying/using these bolts, but what makes you say a Ti bolt is half the weight of an aluminum one? If they are dimensionally equal, the aluminum bolt should be significantly lighter.
Yea aluminum is lighter but they are shit. Buy some aluminum bolts and see for yourself.
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spimx wrote:
Do not buy aluminum bolts for anything. You can do much better for cheaper with Chinese ti off of e-bay. I bought all my body panel...
Do not buy aluminum bolts for anything.

You can do much better for cheaper with Chinese ti off of e-bay. I bought all my body panel bolts titanium off of ebay with drilled aluminum washers for less than aluminum from pro-bolt and turns out they are stronger than aluminum, they don't rust or corrode and they are one half the weight. For bolts that don't really bear weight, why not?
Dirty Points wrote:
Not disputing the notion of buying/using these bolts, but what makes you say a Ti bolt is half the weight of an aluminum one? If they...
Not disputing the notion of buying/using these bolts, but what makes you say a Ti bolt is half the weight of an aluminum one? If they are dimensionally equal, the aluminum bolt should be significantly lighter.
spimx wrote:
Yea aluminum is lighter but they are shit. Buy some aluminum bolts and see for yourself.
I have motostuff aluminum bolts on my bike and have no problems with them. Even my seat bolts are aluminum and I thought for sure I would break them but not the case. But I use anti seize on everything, hand tools when assembling, and don’t crank them down like and ape and they are fine.

Motostuff stopped stocking them. If I can find some more I am going to replace some Ti with aluminum.
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I've been swapping out most of the fasteners on my bike with Ti and keeping track of the weight difference in a spreadsheet. So far I've saved 1.56 lbs (710 g) at a cost of roughly $1k per lb.

On average, the Ti fasteners weigh 35% less than the original steel hardware.
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soggy wrote:
Hoosier tires will save you a lot of weigh and it’s rotational and unsprung
Kezza01 wrote:
But when you're sponsored by dunlop thats impossible
yz133rider wrote:
Spend 4k in ti just to make up what you’re losing with the dunlops....
But I'm not spending the 4k. It aint worth anywrhere near that
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Zesiger 112 wrote:
I have motostuff aluminum bolts on my bike and have no problems with them. Even my seat bolts are aluminum and I thought for sure I...
I have motostuff aluminum bolts on my bike and have no problems with them. Even my seat bolts are aluminum and I thought for sure I would break them but not the case. But I use anti seize on everything, hand tools when assembling, and don’t crank them down like and ape and they are fine.

Motostuff stopped stocking them. If I can find some more I am going to replace some Ti with aluminum.
I have no problems with Aluminum either. I use a torque wrench on them. Seems goofy but 10nm(6mm) is nothing for torque spec.
These are Al. and save some good weight.
https://store.mettec.com/product/1749/270

These guys carry a ton of Aluminum.
https://www.probolt-usa.com/aluminum/
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spimx wrote:
Do not buy aluminum bolts for anything. You can do much better for cheaper with Chinese ti off of e-bay. I bought all my body panel...
Do not buy aluminum bolts for anything.

You can do much better for cheaper with Chinese ti off of e-bay. I bought all my body panel bolts titanium off of ebay with drilled aluminum washers for less than aluminum from pro-bolt and turns out they are stronger than aluminum, they don't rust or corrode and they are one half the weight. For bolts that don't really bear weight, why not?
Dirty Points wrote:
Not disputing the notion of buying/using these bolts, but what makes you say a Ti bolt is half the weight of an aluminum one? If they...
Not disputing the notion of buying/using these bolts, but what makes you say a Ti bolt is half the weight of an aluminum one? If they are dimensionally equal, the aluminum bolt should be significantly lighter.
spimx wrote:
Yea aluminum is lighter but they are shit. Buy some aluminum bolts and see for yourself.
Uninformed comment.

Aluminium bolts- and plastic bolts- have their place in applications designed or suitable for them though there are not many on a bike.

None of those applications are going to be structural- like bar clamp bolts, triple clamps, engine mounts foot pegs let alone suspension pivots etc.

Fenders, air box mounts and so on.


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MS946 wrote:
I've been swapping out most of the fasteners on my bike with Ti and keeping track of the weight difference in a spreadsheet. So far I've...
I've been swapping out most of the fasteners on my bike with Ti and keeping track of the weight difference in a spreadsheet. So far I've saved 1.56 lbs (710 g) at a cost of roughly $1k per lb.

On average, the Ti fasteners weigh 35% less than the original steel hardware.
Multiply the weight of your steel fasteners in grams by .6- ie 60%- and you will be very close.

1000 grams of steel bolts will be 600 grams of Ti.
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Kezza01 wrote:
Does anyone know the approximate weight saving by using a full ti bolt kit on a 2021 KTM 125sx. I am talking axles, swingarm bolt, everything...
Does anyone know the approximate weight saving by using a full ti bolt kit on a 2021 KTM 125sx. I am talking axles, swingarm bolt, everything

Cheers
Kez
WFO wrote:
If you want to purchase TI then do it. The factories do, why not you. Who cares what anyone else thinks. They aren't riding your bike...
If you want to purchase TI then do it. The factories do, why not you. Who cares what anyone else thinks. They aren't riding your bike, nor do they know your ability, nor do they care. Opinions are like something I heard about,.....Buy the kit and have a cool bike.
Kezza01 wrote:
Its not about having a cool bike. I may be not the wealthiest person at the track but for me its about having the most competitive...
Its not about having a cool bike. I may be not the wealthiest person at the track but for me its about having the most competitive bike for my son. Thats why I asked the question about weights. I don't care how the bike looks, its the competitive aspect, abd as I found out from my own observations, the cost of a full ti kit just isn't worth it
There are a few guys on this site that say they've been using MTB tubes and are saving a lot of weight.
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If your kid is as good as you make him sound a couple lbs of Ti isn’t gonna make or break him. Shit he’s better off getting bad starts and practicing his race craft
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My buddy built a 202 lb 2007 CRF450R. It’s no-shit 202 pounds straight up. We weighed it, otherwise I wouldn’t have believed it. You can go...
My buddy built a 202 lb 2007 CRF450R. It’s no-shit 202 pounds straight up. We weighed it, otherwise I wouldn’t have believed it. You can go all around it with a magnet and there’s very little steel there. He started with the big stuff like Ti hardware (including a bunch of parts he fabricated himself), trimmed the plastic, carbon tank and one of those airbox /subframe combos that twinair had made back in the day. The wheelset utilizes fat bicycle tubes and lightweight starcross 5 sand tires mounted to relieved rims, titanium spokes and turned-down hubs. He replaced the spring forks with the much-hated 2013 CRF air fork that works terrible, but hey, they’re three pounds lighter. Then he went inside the engine and whittled down all the gears, shift drum, etc. He eliminated some stuff entirely such as the steel hose clamps and used titanium welding wire to safety wire them on instead. Forget about the steel lock ring on the shock when a piece of safety wire holds an aluminum preload ring in place. Of course the spring is Ti. No radiator grills, just twin air mesh. No fuel petcock and the fuel lines are even lighter. He is working on eliminating the fuel tank entirely and using the frame spars to hold fuel. I think it would be cool if the seat just went all the way up to the clamps like those 85 works Honda’s. Think tech seat foam and a home-made car upholstery fabric seat cover. No handlebar pad cover, just the foam and a zip tie. I donated some HRC magnesium cases that were corroded but he was able to repair. We found a factory Yoshimura exhaust that was pretty light as well. Even the frame and swing arm were whittled down and casting fixtures and extra material removed.

I thought it was ridiculous at first and then I rode it back-to-back with a stock 07 CRF450R and it was very noticeable. If it wasn’t for the brakes sucking due to the Ti rotors and harsh air forks I would have loved it. It was easy to move around and the engine felt faster even though it was stock. Acceleration was dramatically faster. Is any of this effort to drop weight necessary or even worth it? Probably not. He could have bought a new 450 for what he chose to spend on making his 14 year old CRF the lightest 450 around and it’s pretty neat in my opinion.

He has pics of the build process including the weights of all the parts compared to the stock stuff. He’s just not the type of dude that would take the time to post details on here. I’ll see if he will let me start a thread on it and share it with y’all. It’s pretty cool.
Any pics of this build?
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Dirty Points wrote:
Not disputing the notion of buying/using these bolts, but what makes you say a Ti bolt is half the weight of an aluminum one? If they...
Not disputing the notion of buying/using these bolts, but what makes you say a Ti bolt is half the weight of an aluminum one? If they are dimensionally equal, the aluminum bolt should be significantly lighter.
spimx wrote:
Yea aluminum is lighter but they are shit. Buy some aluminum bolts and see for yourself.
Zesiger 112 wrote:
I have motostuff aluminum bolts on my bike and have no problems with them. Even my seat bolts are aluminum and I thought for sure I...
I have motostuff aluminum bolts on my bike and have no problems with them. Even my seat bolts are aluminum and I thought for sure I would break them but not the case. But I use anti seize on everything, hand tools when assembling, and don’t crank them down like and ape and they are fine.

Motostuff stopped stocking them. If I can find some more I am going to replace some Ti with aluminum.
You will break those seat bolts, give it time
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On the ktm
The rear axle was half pound.
Front axle .25 pounds.
Swing arm pivot almost. 25 pounds.
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I can take a dump before a race and lose that much weight for free!
GrapeApe wrote:
Or you could lose 2 pounds off your person, 2 pounds off your bike, and still take a dump before a race. It all adds up.
I like the way you think 😂
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WFO 2/17/2021 9:29am
2/17/2021 9:29am
Kezza01 wrote:
Does anyone know the approximate weight saving by using a full ti bolt kit on a 2021 KTM 125sx. I am talking axles, swingarm bolt, everything...
Does anyone know the approximate weight saving by using a full ti bolt kit on a 2021 KTM 125sx. I am talking axles, swingarm bolt, everything

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Kez
WFO wrote:
If you want to purchase TI then do it. The factories do, why not you. Who cares what anyone else thinks. They aren't riding your bike...
If you want to purchase TI then do it. The factories do, why not you. Who cares what anyone else thinks. They aren't riding your bike, nor do they know your ability, nor do they care. Opinions are like something I heard about,.....Buy the kit and have a cool bike.
Kezza01 wrote:
Its not about having a cool bike. I may be not the wealthiest person at the track but for me its about having the most competitive...
Its not about having a cool bike. I may be not the wealthiest person at the track but for me its about having the most competitive bike for my son. Thats why I asked the question about weights. I don't care how the bike looks, its the competitive aspect, abd as I found out from my own observations, the cost of a full ti kit just isn't worth it
At some point, (I'm there) being fast or competitive goes by the wayside so looking good has its appeal.
The old guys I ride with all have the same motto: If you cant ride you gotta look good.
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