Tokyo Mods Or Twisted Development for stock ECU programming ?

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21 KX450

Tokyo is $100 and Twisted is $250.

Anyone have experience with either ?

I will say when I called into Tokyo the guy who I talked was very knowledgeable and whoever answered the phone at Twisted was an idiot.
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49weasel wrote:
21 KX450 Tokyo is $100 and Twisted is $250. Anyone have experience with either ? I will say when I called into Tokyo the guy who...
21 KX450

Tokyo is $100 and Twisted is $250.

Anyone have experience with either ?

I will say when I called into Tokyo the guy who I talked was very knowledgeable and whoever answered the phone at Twisted was an idiot.
Moto Lab in Ohio is where I would go to, especially if I was from Ohio.
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twisted never responded to email. I called tokyo and talked to a knowledgeable rep, sent my ECU out to them 1 hour later. I just need the stutter on my 21 CRF450 to go away. $250 was just too much for me, I'd rather put that extra money towards a battery backup sump pump
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49weasel wrote:
21 KX450 Tokyo is $100 and Twisted is $250. Anyone have experience with either ? I will say when I called into Tokyo the guy who...
21 KX450

Tokyo is $100 and Twisted is $250.

Anyone have experience with either ?

I will say when I called into Tokyo the guy who I talked was very knowledgeable and whoever answered the phone at Twisted was an idiot.
I’m not going to lie, I was leaning towards TD but when I called I got some some very bland generic answers by a guy that sounded like he was inconvenienced by having to help a customer.

I thought it was just me but apparently I’m not alone.

TM was a pain to get someone to talk to but the dude there had zero issues talking to about all the motor questions I threw at him.

‘18 kx450f, which whoever at TD suggested I ditch multiple times for a new bike despite my reasons for specifically choosing that bike. Like it’s not only 2 years old 🤷‍♂️

Idk, I got a bad Pro Circuit vibe from TD but I went from wanting to use them for map stuff to now idk.

Do what you will with that information, that was my experience.
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49weasel 1/12/2021 5:56am
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49weasel wrote:
21 KX450 Tokyo is $100 and Twisted is $250. Anyone have experience with either ? I will say when I called into Tokyo the guy who...
21 KX450

Tokyo is $100 and Twisted is $250.

Anyone have experience with either ?

I will say when I called into Tokyo the guy who I talked was very knowledgeable and whoever answered the phone at Twisted was an idiot.
mx317 wrote:
Moto Lab in Ohio is where I would go to, especially if I was from Ohio.
Oddly I have never heard of them and I can't find really find any info about them except a post on Thumpertalk from 7 years ago..

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49weasel wrote:
Oddly I have never heard of them and I can't find really find any info about them except a post on Thumpertalk from 7 years ago..
Sorry, they are in Danielson, CT. I mixed up my addresses (860) 319-7871
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My 21 WE is at TDR motorsports in Ohio. Hes a very reputable tuner in the pro quad world. He will have tunes for the Honda very soon.

Weasel, may be worth it to contact him. Might be a bit of a drive for you but he'll actually put your bike on the dyno and tune to the way your bikes set up or to your liking.
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Tokyo also offers free mapping when you purchase your exhaust from them so I've been considering doing that as well.
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There was a thread on here recently about people not getting stuff back from motolab
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There was a thread on here recently about people not getting stuff back from motolab
Yes, a friend of mine was one of them. Took over 5 months to get a cylinder head rebuilt.
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UGOTBIT 1/12/2021 7:49am
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That's a bummer to hear about TD, I was hoping to send mine to them for their programming.

I also noticed they no longer have the programming form available on the website?
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I'm must be the outlier in this group. Not a factory remap but purchased a vortex with their maps from twisted. Last year at thanksgiving they were running a deal with their maps free when you bought the vortex from them. I forget what the issue was but got an email from Jamie within 48hrs about a question on the order from there I had my new ECU in about 5 days. And performance wise I have been blown away. I actually run their mellower map most of the time as the performance map just tends to wear me out faster. Overall it was a huge leap forward on my KTM. For me any ignition work in the future will run through them.
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clydesdalecameron 1/12/2021 8:47am
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As a customer of Twisted Development I can only speak about my experience. I have never ridden a stronger map than what Jamie has to offer. Twisted is a real race shop. They do real testing constantly at all the socal tracks with all ages/skill levels of riders. I don't see Tokyo at the track other than race days sometimes.

Here is a thought. How many teams in SX are running Tokyo Mods Motors/ Ecu?

Twisted has more than a few teams with his products between their legs. .

If cost is your concern then go with the cheaper option but just always remember you get what you pay for...

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Twisted hands down... It changed my fc450 for the better. Its amazing.
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Tokyo did my stock ecu and it was worth the $100. I later bought a vortex from them for $700(not sure it they mapped it or it was just vortex’s mapping) but I was blown away. The guy I talked to sounded knowledable the couple times I called.

My kx I just got a vortex with twisted maps. It hits pretty hard.. a little too much 😂 but again the guy I talked to was friendly and knowledable.

My next bike I might try XPR. From listening to keefers podcast he says Jamie usually maps for harder hitting power and xpr maps for smoother power. But what do I know I’m old and slow.. just what I herd 🤷🏼‍♂️
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I had Tokyo Mods remap my stock ECU on my 2018 KX450. I was very impressed with the outcome, not only how it ran but also the customer service of Tokyo Mods. They were willing to discuss things on the phone, one day turn around, all in all I had my ECU back in the same week without spending an arm and a leg.
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2019 KX450. I used TokyoMods. Same as others who have posted. They were easy to reach and easy to talk to. Quick turn getting it back. I also had them do my 2013 CRF450. For the KX, I bought a Vortex from them (i haven't ridden it yet ... winter in MN).
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clydesdalecameron wrote:
As a customer of Twisted Development I can only speak about my experience. I have never ridden a stronger map than what Jamie has to offer...
As a customer of Twisted Development I can only speak about my experience. I have never ridden a stronger map than what Jamie has to offer. Twisted is a real race shop. They do real testing constantly at all the socal tracks with all ages/skill levels of riders. I don't see Tokyo at the track other than race days sometimes.

Here is a thought. How many teams in SX are running Tokyo Mods Motors/ Ecu?

Twisted has more than a few teams with his products between their legs. .

If cost is your concern then go with the cheaper option but just always remember you get what you pay for...

Cost isn't a concern but I understand there's only so much you can do with the stock ECU .
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My sons 18 and 19 kx250's we had the ecu done by Tokyo Mod, it was decent for what it was. We switched to KTM and sent the ecu from the 19 250sxf to Twisted and it made a big difference, bike ran amazing, Back in Nov we bought a 21 Troy Lee 250 and purchased a Vortex from Twisted with their mappings, they bike is absolutely amazing. Twisted has been more than helpful to answer questions and fast turn around time.
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mshea397 wrote:
2019 KX450. I used TokyoMods. Same as others who have posted. They were easy to reach and easy to talk to. Quick turn getting it back...
2019 KX450. I used TokyoMods. Same as others who have posted. They were easy to reach and easy to talk to. Quick turn getting it back. I also had them do my 2013 CRF450. For the KX, I bought a Vortex from them (i haven't ridden it yet ... winter in MN).
What did it change on the bike ?
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I did the flash in conjunction with adding a pro-circuit piston and a light porting job. So, I don't know the improvements with just the reflash alone. The overall package is awesome. Same characteristics as stock, but more everywhere. I would say a bit more grunt of the bottom, but it still revs free and is progressively stronger as you get to the upper rev range with flexibility to rev it out or shift. I did +1 with the rear sprocket and can do corners in 3rd for the most part. I'm in the midst of installing pro circuit cams, CP Piston (slightly higher compression ratio) along with the Vortex ECU. My intent is to dominate the old fat and slow group at open practice days (Meadow Valley).
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Twisted hands down... It changed my fc450 for the better. Its amazing.
Mine too. I went with TM and was not happy with it, They suggested I mess with the TPS, said I already did no real improvement. They wanted me to bring my bike down to set the TPS themselves. That was close to a 3 hour trip so that was a no from me. I ended up going with Twisted and the change was instantly noticeable and no messing with the TPS. Twisted for me all day long.
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Very happy with my Vortex from Chad at XPR. Not sure if they do remaps, but I would check into it. Very responsive via e-mail also.
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I’ve used Tokyo mods & XPR. Personally I won’t use Tokyo mods again do to a bad experience. XPR was the opposite with good service & good maps on one of my 450’s.
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Here in SoCal I have friends with bikes done by Twisted or Tokyo and they all seem to love who they used. Its important to be able to have a good relationship with whoever you use.
And to use one and then take the same bike to the other and bitch about it is wrong also. These guys both but their asses to put out a quality product so so your homework and ask around and talk to both about what your looking for before you decide.
Asking someone does put them in a spot.
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Thanks for the info guys.
ECU is on the way to Tokyo Mods.
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Motodave15 wrote:
Twisted hands down... It changed my fc450 for the better. Its amazing.
My 2015 FE350S holds it's own against 450s on an MX track: Twisted Development mapped OEM ECU and headwork w/piston. FMF pipe. Thousands oof miles on that bike.

When the "new" Honda CRF450L came out...what a terrible EPA mess...yech!
Twisted Development's maps in a Vortex ECU: Voila! It runs like a 450R! (Pro Circuit pipe).

Took a 2020 CRF450X to him and got the same set-up and the same results (Yoshimura pipe).

Twisted's maps work.
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Twisted all day. The only other shop I’d trust is XPR.
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