2021 Suzuki RMZ 450 and 250 1st Look

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malachi177 11/29/2020 2:18pm
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mb60 wrote:
The same bike Justin Bogle won a national on. Image that.
Not the same bike AT all. Thats like saying Webb is riding the same bike as Dungey!😅
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SEMAC 11/29/2020 3:43pm
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wrc777 wrote:
A reason that didn’t have the same effect on the other 3 manufacturers in the same country?
mattyhamz2 wrote:
You mean like Honda not being able to make enough 21’s so they made another full run of 20’s to try to make up for it...
You mean like Honda not being able to make enough 21’s so they made another full run of 20’s to try to make up for it?

Nope, didn’t have an effect on any of the other manufacturers at all.
wrc777 wrote:
Honda delivered two all new models and more of their existing bike. Suzuki did neither. Yamaha delivered all their old bikes and an updated 250f, ktm...
Honda delivered two all new models and more of their existing bike. Suzuki did neither. Yamaha delivered all their old bikes and an updated 250f, ktm launched a new brand and delivered their current bikes, Kawasaki launched an all new 250, an updated 450, and off road versions of each. Suzuki didn’t even deliver their current models which are in their third and fourth years.
If You are not going to Buy them ,why complain
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peltier626 11/29/2020 3:50pm
11/29/2020 3:50pm
This machine is more than adequate for 95% of us vitards. Like 760a said, price alone should sell these bikes if Bob Barker was in charge.
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brocster 11/29/2020 4:20pm
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peltier626 wrote:
This machine is more than adequate for 95% of us vitards. Like 760a said, price alone should sell these bikes if Bob Barker was in charge.
Agreed! If I were in the market for a 450, I would buy one and with the savings I gain over the others I would get top notch suspension work, new tires and a slip on and gladly use the kicker as I am never in a crunch as to where the e button would be a factor...But, please do carry on about how inadequate they are for the consumer
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wrc777 11/29/2020 5:00pm
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
You mean like Honda not being able to make enough 21’s so they made another full run of 20’s to try to make up for it...
You mean like Honda not being able to make enough 21’s so they made another full run of 20’s to try to make up for it?

Nope, didn’t have an effect on any of the other manufacturers at all.
wrc777 wrote:
Honda delivered two all new models and more of their existing bike. Suzuki did neither. Yamaha delivered all their old bikes and an updated 250f, ktm...
Honda delivered two all new models and more of their existing bike. Suzuki did neither. Yamaha delivered all their old bikes and an updated 250f, ktm launched a new brand and delivered their current bikes, Kawasaki launched an all new 250, an updated 450, and off road versions of each. Suzuki didn’t even deliver their current models which are in their third and fourth years.
SEMAC wrote:
If You are not going to Buy them ,why complain
Actually I was in the market a couple months ago but the one or two I could find were priced too close to the yz and kx.
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Forty 11/30/2020 9:11am
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Quit bitchin', we're lucky to be here.
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mxtech1 11/30/2020 10:33am
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In my opinion, I don't see the value in constantly bashing Suzuki's BNG strategy. It helps keep development costs down which means RMZs will continue to have affordable MSRPs. There are tens of thousands of bikes sold every year because they are the most affordable bikes available. If Suzuki ever stops production or increases their MSRP to match all the other OEMs, we are going to lose the most affordable bike option there is which could really hurt at the amateur level.

I've always wondered how many bikes Suzuki would sell if they would offer the 250 under $5000 MSRP and the 450 around $5500?

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mxracerjohn250 11/30/2020 10:52am
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Its not going to hurt anything at the amateur level. I bet at a race with 400 entries there might be 6 suzukis there in Ohio these days. And those 6 are usually in the vet class.
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Sierra Ranger 12/1/2020 12:19pm
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Anybody tried a 2020 RMZ250? They are going for $2k less than other 250Fs around here. For a Vet B rider, the bike is probably fine, but I'm afraid it will be slower and heavier than my trusty RM250 two-stroke.
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wrc777 12/1/2020 12:35pm
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Sierra Ranger wrote:
Anybody tried a 2020 RMZ250? They are going for $2k less than other 250Fs around here. For a Vet B rider, the bike is probably fine...
Anybody tried a 2020 RMZ250? They are going for $2k less than other 250Fs around here. For a Vet B rider, the bike is probably fine, but I'm afraid it will be slower and heavier than my trusty RM250 two-stroke.
Probably easier to lay down the power than the 2t if the track is very slick. Maybe better suspension too.
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SEMAC 12/1/2020 1:35pm
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Sierra Ranger wrote:
Anybody tried a 2020 RMZ250? They are going for $2k less than other 250Fs around here. For a Vet B rider, the bike is probably fine...
Anybody tried a 2020 RMZ250? They are going for $2k less than other 250Fs around here. For a Vet B rider, the bike is probably fine, but I'm afraid it will be slower and heavier than my trusty RM250 two-stroke.
Don't believd whT people repeat what ktm action says,ir weighjts the same as the other jap bikes,and maybe couple of ponies less,But is your choice
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Dirty Points 12/1/2020 4:12pm
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Sierra Ranger wrote:
Anybody tried a 2020 RMZ250? They are going for $2k less than other 250Fs around here. For a Vet B rider, the bike is probably fine...
Anybody tried a 2020 RMZ250? They are going for $2k less than other 250Fs around here. For a Vet B rider, the bike is probably fine, but I'm afraid it will be slower and heavier than my trusty RM250 two-stroke.
SEMAC wrote:
Don't believd whT people repeat what ktm action says,ir weighjts the same as the other jap bikes,and maybe couple of ponies less,But is your choice
Not true. The RMZ250 doesn't weigh the same as the other Japanese bikes...

(It is the lightest Japanese bike.)
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wrc777 12/1/2020 6:17pm
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Sierra Ranger wrote:
Anybody tried a 2020 RMZ250? They are going for $2k less than other 250Fs around here. For a Vet B rider, the bike is probably fine...
Anybody tried a 2020 RMZ250? They are going for $2k less than other 250Fs around here. For a Vet B rider, the bike is probably fine, but I'm afraid it will be slower and heavier than my trusty RM250 two-stroke.
SEMAC wrote:
Don't believd whT people repeat what ktm action says,ir weighjts the same as the other jap bikes,and maybe couple of ponies less,But is your choice
Dirty Points wrote:
Not true. The RMZ250 doesn't weigh the same as the other Japanese bikes...

(It is the lightest Japanese bike.)
In the 2020 mxa shootout it was 5 lbs heavier than the kx250 and the same weight as the YZ250. crf was 2 lbs heavier.
Dirty Points 12/1/2020 6:24pm
12/1/2020 6:24pm
SEMAC wrote:
Don't believd whT people repeat what ktm action says,ir weighjts the same as the other jap bikes,and maybe couple of ponies less,But is your choice
Dirty Points wrote:
Not true. The RMZ250 doesn't weigh the same as the other Japanese bikes...

(It is the lightest Japanese bike.)
wrc777 wrote:
In the 2020 mxa shootout it was 5 lbs heavier than the kx250 and the same weight as the YZ250. crf was 2 lbs heavier.
Kx250 gained over 5 lbs for 2021. Now the RM-Z is the lightest Japanese bike (but not by much).
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nickm 12/1/2020 6:48pm
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The only thing that bugs me about the Suzuki is they call it an RMZ 450 when it should properly be called an RM450.
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Sierra Ranger 12/1/2020 7:44pm
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Sierra Ranger wrote:
Anybody tried a 2020 RMZ250? They are going for $2k less than other 250Fs around here. For a Vet B rider, the bike is probably fine...
Anybody tried a 2020 RMZ250? They are going for $2k less than other 250Fs around here. For a Vet B rider, the bike is probably fine, but I'm afraid it will be slower and heavier than my trusty RM250 two-stroke.
SEMAC wrote:
Don't believd whT people repeat what ktm action says,ir weighjts the same as the other jap bikes,and maybe couple of ponies less,But is your choice
Dirty Points wrote:
Not true. The RMZ250 doesn't weigh the same as the other Japanese bikes...

(It is the lightest Japanese bike.)
I keep seeing 2020 RMZ250 wet weight as 233 lbs. and rated about 36-39 HP.
My 2004 RM250 is 211 pounds dry (can only find dry weight figures right now) and I have dyno'd this bike at mid 40s in the HP.

Like I every year, I can't justify spending $6000-$8000 for a new 250F when my RM is lighter, faster, no bike payment and I can tear the whole engine down myself. I always end up sticking with my old iron. Somebody tell me where my reasoning is off. Keep in mind I'm mid-pack Vet B right now. I'm sick of this bike but it gets me around the track for almost no money. The forks are revalved and effing awesome, too.
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seth505 12/1/2020 9:10pm
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Sierra Ranger wrote:
I keep seeing 2020 RMZ250 wet weight as 233 lbs. and rated about 36-39 HP. My 2004 RM250 is 211 pounds dry (can only find dry...
I keep seeing 2020 RMZ250 wet weight as 233 lbs. and rated about 36-39 HP.
My 2004 RM250 is 211 pounds dry (can only find dry weight figures right now) and I have dyno'd this bike at mid 40s in the HP.

Like I every year, I can't justify spending $6000-$8000 for a new 250F when my RM is lighter, faster, no bike payment and I can tear the whole engine down myself. I always end up sticking with my old iron. Somebody tell me where my reasoning is off. Keep in mind I'm mid-pack Vet B right now. I'm sick of this bike but it gets me around the track for almost no money. The forks are revalved and effing awesome, too.
If you want a new bike that is more powerful than all the 250f bikes then you can buy a 250 (yz, sx, tc).
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250 cross 12/2/2020 5:45am
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Sierra Ranger wrote:
Anybody tried a 2020 RMZ250? They are going for $2k less than other 250Fs around here. For a Vet B rider, the bike is probably fine...
Anybody tried a 2020 RMZ250? They are going for $2k less than other 250Fs around here. For a Vet B rider, the bike is probably fine, but I'm afraid it will be slower and heavier than my trusty RM250 two-stroke.
Just had a new 2020 RMZ 250 delivered, was $5870 plus the usual charges. I also have a very sweet 07 RM250 but have been riding a 07 RMZ 290 since new. Before that was a dozen new RM 250s. At sixtyfour I'll have to admit it's way easier to go fast on an RMZ. Has a lot to do with my two stroke skills diminishing though. Have to say the RM feels way faster but after spending too much time on a four stroke it's hard to go back for an occasional two stroke blast.

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Johnny Ringo 12/2/2020 6:49am
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They should copy Yamaha and just release their 2006 two strokes. They would sell.
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Sierra Ranger 12/2/2020 10:03am
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Sierra Ranger wrote:
Anybody tried a 2020 RMZ250? They are going for $2k less than other 250Fs around here. For a Vet B rider, the bike is probably fine...
Anybody tried a 2020 RMZ250? They are going for $2k less than other 250Fs around here. For a Vet B rider, the bike is probably fine, but I'm afraid it will be slower and heavier than my trusty RM250 two-stroke.
250 cross wrote:
Just had a new 2020 RMZ 250 delivered, was $5870 plus the usual charges. I also have a very sweet 07 RM250 but have been riding...
Just had a new 2020 RMZ 250 delivered, was $5870 plus the usual charges. I also have a very sweet 07 RM250 but have been riding a 07 RMZ 290 since new. Before that was a dozen new RM 250s. At sixtyfour I'll have to admit it's way easier to go fast on an RMZ. Has a lot to do with my two stroke skills diminishing though. Have to say the RM feels way faster but after spending too much time on a four stroke it's hard to go back for an occasional two stroke blast.
Good on you for hitting the track at 64! I'm 53 and that's encouraging. I'd love to roost another 10 years!
Good point about the RMZ being easier to ride.
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