Huge missed opportunity for et3

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LKHill 9/20/2020 1:49pm
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Brett_Clark wrote:
Today goes to show why you don't give up. Adam was 42 points down and is now right back in title contention and honestly has the...
Today goes to show why you don't give up. Adam was 42 points down and is now right back in title contention and honestly has the raw speed to bring it home. Now what I saw from tomac the last few weeks is just rides to get through the day. Doesnt seem to.have the determination or heart to fight. Today goes to show why you don't give up. He could of been right back in this title hunt after today. Its just really weird and the supercross hangover excuse is bs. I just think the 2 dnfs got him down and he said piss on it I'm done
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Brett, I don’t think Eli really has the drive right now for that. If I had to guess he’d prefer some time off rather than racing...
Brett, I don’t think Eli really has the drive right now for that. If I had to guess he’d prefer some time off rather than racing the remaining races
Something I have noticed about Eli is if he is not feeling his flo he does not ride like superman. The points deficient has taken it's toll and many riders are burnt out somewhat. He definitely is not rolling over and I expect another win this year. He has nothing to prove. Adam and Blake and Chase all do.

Barcia said the track was nasty and he was not the only one. I can understand Eli not laying it all on the line. I definitely don't think he said I'm done just didn't get any starts. Many are forgetting the push he made on Adam weeks ago. With all this trash talk I almost expect him to win the next race, lol.
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Dust601 9/20/2020 1:56pm
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jemcee wrote:
I wonder if his team is giving 100% to help him succeed I wonder if his mechanic is workin 40+hrs a week to help him succeed...
I wonder if his team is giving 100% to help him succeed
I wonder if his mechanic is workin 40+hrs a week to help him succeed, starting Sunday morning
Actually no I don't I don't wonder about that..

I'm not saying he's a bad person for just 'getting through the weekends' (If he even is) It's just not something I'll ever be a fan of.. Take the time off if you need it

And yes I know no one asked me
I’ve seen others mention it already, but I honestly wonder if he’s just burned out. He’s been in the top what 2, or 3 in both sx, and Mx for how many years now, and he’s hardly missed any races since he blew his shoulder up.

I’m not gonna pretend to know what it takes to compete at the very top of both series for this long, but judging by the fact we don’t see it very often in our sport I’m going to assume it isn’t easy. Currently there isn’t another guy on the track who’s been as consistently good, for as long as he has. They’ve all had recent injuries, or have only gotten to the very top very recently.

Typically when it comes to these types of things people make it seem way more complicated then it really is. Knowing the type of mentality it takes to be one of the best at your chosen profession burn out seems more likely to me then the guys just put putting around out there like he’s on a casual Sunday ride.
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Mavetism 9/20/2020 2:10pm
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tek14 wrote:
450 Standings 1. Zach Osborne 235 2. Adam Cianciarulo 220 3. Marvin Musquin 215 4. Eli Tomac 196 5. Justin Barcia 194 6. Blake Baggett 190...
450 Standings
1. Zach Osborne 235
2. Adam Cianciarulo 220
3. Marvin Musquin 215
4. Eli Tomac 196
5. Justin Barcia 194
6. Blake Baggett 190
7. Chase Sexton 173

Just add those 35 points he lost because bike went bang two times are Loretta2 for Tomac?
I think that was huge miss for Kawasaki.
Osborne/AC/Barcia also had at least one bad moto or even a DNF. It's not like Tomac was the only one losing points to a mechanical. Not that it would matter, but if you think about theoretically giving points to Tomac, u gotta add some of those to the riders above aswell. 😜

By the way, AC only being 15 points down to Osborne while scoring zero points in one moto is pretty insane. With his momentum going on the last 3 rounds gonna be wild.
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gregyou 9/20/2020 2:40pm
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tek14 wrote:
450 Standings 1. Zach Osborne 235 2. Adam Cianciarulo 220 3. Marvin Musquin 215 4. Eli Tomac 196 5. Justin Barcia 194 6. Blake Baggett 190...
450 Standings
1. Zach Osborne 235
2. Adam Cianciarulo 220
3. Marvin Musquin 215
4. Eli Tomac 196
5. Justin Barcia 194
6. Blake Baggett 190
7. Chase Sexton 173

Just add those 35 points he lost because bike went bang two times are Loretta2 for Tomac?
I think that was huge miss for Kawasaki.
Mavetism wrote:
Osborne/AC/Barcia also had at least one bad moto or even a DNF. It's not like Tomac was the only one losing points to a mechanical. Not...
Osborne/AC/Barcia also had at least one bad moto or even a DNF. It's not like Tomac was the only one losing points to a mechanical. Not that it would matter, but if you think about theoretically giving points to Tomac, u gotta add some of those to the riders above aswell. 😜

By the way, AC only being 15 points down to Osborne while scoring zero points in one moto is pretty insane. With his momentum going on the last 3 rounds gonna be wild.
Na of them have had 2 mechanical dnf’s.
A mechanical dnf would feel a bit different compared to something that is your fault
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yak651 9/20/2020 2:51pm
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tek14 wrote:
450 Standings 1. Zach Osborne 235 2. Adam Cianciarulo 220 3. Marvin Musquin 215 4. Eli Tomac 196 5. Justin Barcia 194 6. Blake Baggett 190...
450 Standings
1. Zach Osborne 235
2. Adam Cianciarulo 220
3. Marvin Musquin 215
4. Eli Tomac 196
5. Justin Barcia 194
6. Blake Baggett 190
7. Chase Sexton 173

Just add those 35 points he lost because bike went bang two times are Loretta2 for Tomac?
I think that was huge miss for Kawasaki.
Mavetism wrote:
Osborne/AC/Barcia also had at least one bad moto or even a DNF. It's not like Tomac was the only one losing points to a mechanical. Not...
Osborne/AC/Barcia also had at least one bad moto or even a DNF. It's not like Tomac was the only one losing points to a mechanical. Not that it would matter, but if you think about theoretically giving points to Tomac, u gotta add some of those to the riders above aswell. 😜

By the way, AC only being 15 points down to Osborne while scoring zero points in one moto is pretty insane. With his momentum going on the last 3 rounds gonna be wild.
gregyou wrote:
Na of them have had 2 mechanical dnf’s.
A mechanical dnf would feel a bit different compared to something that is your fault
A mechanical that's not you fault when you could've rode differently to preserve the bike...especially since you know it didn't last the first moto
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freebroctickle 9/20/2020 2:55pm
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WCRider wrote:
Very sensitive and psycho guy. His routine is fucked up.
Can't speak for Eli, but THIS THREAD sure is all of those things! Wink
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Brett_Clark 9/20/2020 8:01pm
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tek14 wrote:
450 Standings 1. Zach Osborne 235 2. Adam Cianciarulo 220 3. Marvin Musquin 215 4. Eli Tomac 196 5. Justin Barcia 194 6. Blake Baggett 190...
450 Standings
1. Zach Osborne 235
2. Adam Cianciarulo 220
3. Marvin Musquin 215
4. Eli Tomac 196
5. Justin Barcia 194
6. Blake Baggett 190
7. Chase Sexton 173

Just add those 35 points he lost because bike went bang two times are Loretta2 for Tomac?
I think that was huge miss for Kawasaki.
Tomac destroyed his bike not kawasaki. Dude fried the clutch and didn't preserve it all. 100 percent his fault especially since AC did just fine both motos
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kpiper 9/20/2020 8:19pm
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I wish Eli had done some tricks off the jumps yesterday as someone suggested.
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js451 9/20/2020 8:24pm
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In my opinion the tracks so far have been a bit out of the ordinary. This plus more new top level riders coming into the 450 category. I say as soon as we see a loamy track Eli waxes errrrrbody
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
I get what you’re saying. But this is still a really weird year that has the season going into the late part of the year. Had...
I get what you’re saying. But this is still a really weird year that has the season going into the late part of the year. Had he not DNF’d twice, I think he still would have tried harder than he is right now. That’s just my opinion. I fully believe he is riding out the rest of the year as safe as possible so he can be ready to go for SX 2021
Same.
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gt80rider 9/21/2020 5:57am
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tek14 wrote:
450 Standings 1. Zach Osborne 235 2. Adam Cianciarulo 220 3. Marvin Musquin 215 4. Eli Tomac 196 5. Justin Barcia 194 6. Blake Baggett 190...
450 Standings
1. Zach Osborne 235
2. Adam Cianciarulo 220
3. Marvin Musquin 215
4. Eli Tomac 196
5. Justin Barcia 194
6. Blake Baggett 190
7. Chase Sexton 173

Just add those 35 points he lost because bike went bang two times are Loretta2 for Tomac?
I think that was huge miss for Kawasaki.
IMO, That is why we aren't seeing the fast version of ET3 this summer... how hard would you push a bike that constantly has issues? It seems every time he really pushes it, his bikes has an issue...

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resetjet 9/21/2020 6:24am
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Time for a new stable. I think the brass blamed him for the bike blowups and the damage to the brand as a result. That and all the other reasons in this thread.
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downard254 9/21/2020 7:06am
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
He finally won the SX title, he’s a 3 time outdoor champ, had 2 DNF’s at Loretta’s... he’s probably just cruising through this season safely so...
He finally won the SX title, he’s a 3 time outdoor champ, had 2 DNF’s at Loretta’s... he’s probably just cruising through this season safely so he can put all his effort into defending his SX title. Sure he could have been in the title hunt still, but he also could push to the point of disaster and miss the entire SX prep time and lose a chance at defending that title. He’s fine.
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I guess I look at all the elites that have titles in both years and come into outdoors 2 weeks after Vegas and go 1-1. All...
I guess I look at all the elites that have titles in both years and come into outdoors 2 weeks after Vegas and go 1-1. All the way up to Dungey every so champion was ready to go come hang town barring injury of course
mattyhamz2 wrote:
I get what you’re saying. But this is still a really weird year that has the season going into the late part of the year. Had...
I get what you’re saying. But this is still a really weird year that has the season going into the late part of the year. Had he not DNF’d twice, I think he still would have tried harder than he is right now. That’s just my opinion. I fully believe he is riding out the rest of the year as safe as possible so he can be ready to go for SX 2021
Wasn't one of those DNF's ranked as a 7th place finish as the leaders had lapped up to 8th or so? I'm not positive on that, but I don't think he was going to move up from that position as the DNF happened on the last lap. He may have lost a couple positions as the bike was letting go, but again, I'm not 100% on that one either.
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ShipLap 9/21/2020 7:15am
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Lloydcarter wrote:
Yeah all his hard work and championships shows he has no heart or determination
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Heart would be coming back and giving it 110 percent every moto. I don't see that. Sure hes a 3 time champion but tell me one...
Heart would be coming back and giving it 110 percent every moto. I don't see that. Sure hes a 3 time champion but tell me one rider in history on tomacs level that hasn't given their all after a sx title run in the outdoors
Carmichael would have never 'just rode out the series.'
Never.
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LKHill 9/21/2020 8:54am
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Brett_Clark wrote:
Tomac destroyed his bike not kawasaki. Dude fried the clutch and didn't preserve it all. 100 percent his fault especially since AC did just fine both...
Tomac destroyed his bike not kawasaki. Dude fried the clutch and didn't preserve it all. 100 percent his fault especially since AC did just fine both motos
That is totally false. You could see the smoke pouring out of the starter because the bike would not start. He fried that bitch trying to get it to fire.
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Bret 9/21/2020 9:10am
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I love the smell of speculation in the morning...
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davistld01 9/21/2020 9:17am
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Everybody knows...or think they know anyway, that Eli is a bit of a head case. When he's "on" he's pretty damned unbeatable...when he ain't, he looks like any other top-10 guy. Seems like Zach, AC & Marv are all three bringing it every week.
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