Where’s ET3’s otherworldly speed gone?

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9/4/2020 8:14pm
ET is always slow to start a series. LL 1 & 2 werent even races. They were jokes with dudes bikes being pulled out with a wench. He needs 2-3 rounds to warm up and then its on. Only problem is is hes already too far back to have a shot at it and its not even his fault. RedBud 2 is elis time to shine. Lets be real. He should be waxing the floor with these dudes. Webb and Kroc are his competition. Not AC and Barcia.
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9/4/2020 8:15pm
mxb2 wrote:
I dont consider title holders weak,. But thats me.
You're missing the point. Field has matched tomac he hasn't gotten slower...
The field all found a new level since sx ended?
Yeah tomac went from being able to start near dead last in supercross and come in second, lapping nearly the whole field in a mudder, to only managing a fifth because every one has caught up to him in 2 months lol
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9/4/2020 8:18pm
New baby = sleep deprived?
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9/4/2020 8:19pm
You're missing the point. Field has matched tomac he hasn't gotten slower...
The field all found a new level since sx ended?
gregyou wrote:
Yeah tomac went from being able to start near dead last in supercross and come in second, lapping nearly the whole field in a mudder, to...
Yeah tomac went from being able to start near dead last in supercross and come in second, lapping nearly the whole field in a mudder, to only managing a fifth because every one has caught up to him in 2 months lol
Well geez when you put it that way it just sounds kind of silly
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9/4/2020 9:12pm
The track wasn't rough. What is being underestimated is Tomac's superior fitness allowing him to go that fast for that long on rough tracks. If the track is pretty smooth like it is today and if you don't get a start you almost can't win. If it was another year RedBud Tomac goes 1-1 today. If the track next weekend is normal RedBud conditons Tomac goes 1-1.
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9/4/2020 11:11pm
He read online that he needs to preserve the clutch.
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9/4/2020 11:33pm
I think the others have matched his pace and it makes so he can't just blow through the pack anymore. Honestly it was like he killed...
I think the others have matched his pace and it makes so he can't just blow through the pack anymore. Honestly it was like he killed everyone in 2018 or 2019. His championships all came down to the last moto in a pretty weak field.
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9/4/2020 11:51pm
Double dnf is bad. Too short of season to recover from that. I'd bet he's over it for this year. Stay healthy for sx next year
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bsharkey wrote:
Double dnf is bad. Too short of season to recover from that. I'd bet he's over it for this year. Stay healthy for sx next year
Agree.
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9/5/2020 7:45am
The track wasn't rough. What is being underestimated is Tomac's superior fitness allowing him to go that fast for that long on rough tracks. If the...
The track wasn't rough. What is being underestimated is Tomac's superior fitness allowing him to go that fast for that long on rough tracks. If the track is pretty smooth like it is today and if you don't get a start you almost can't win. If it was another year RedBud Tomac goes 1-1 today. If the track next weekend is normal RedBud conditons Tomac goes 1-1.
Red bud looked rough, but compared to ironman it was a freeway.
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9/5/2020 8:01am
Track was smooth as vet track so nobody could make big difference coming from back. Even DF who is different level could not come from back to front because everyone was doing same things at track and didnt come tired as it was smooth. When riders like Noren can keep pace its too easy. Noren is great but not Tomacs level.
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tek14 wrote:
Track was smooth as vet track so nobody could make big difference coming from back. Even DF who is different level could not come from back...
Track was smooth as vet track so nobody could make big difference coming from back. Even DF who is different level could not come from back to front because everyone was doing same things at track and didnt come tired as it was smooth. When riders like Noren can keep pace its too easy. Noren is great but not Tomacs level.
Good post
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9/5/2020 8:05am
3 riders out of 39 competitors in 2019 is pretty weak. Right now there is 5 or 6 guys that are running tomacs pace consistently and...
3 riders out of 39 competitors in 2019 is pretty weak. Right now there is 5 or 6 guys that are running tomacs pace consistently and if webb and roczen were back we'd have them too. Point is tomac isnt this all mighty rider. He just had his days that he was better. Now we are seeing guys match him and drop him consistently. It was bound to happen
mxb2 wrote:
I dont consider title holders weak,. But thats me.
You're missing the point. Field has matched tomac he hasn't gotten slower...
The field hasn’t matched his speed, you don’t gain 2-4 seconds a lap at 30 years old. And you sure as hell don’t gain that kind of speed coming off a knee injury. Zack has cleaned up his style and appears stronger on a 450 which makes him faster over the moto, but not 2-4 seconds a lap

Tomac is flat, rides with out passion and drive, even Ray Charles can see it. I mean seriously, in what world is Noreen able to go Tomacs pace?

Call it burnout, over trained or what ever, he has lost his drive for that speed at this time.
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9/5/2020 8:06am
kb228 wrote:
ET is always slow to start a series. LL 1 & 2 werent even races. They were jokes with dudes bikes being pulled out with a...
ET is always slow to start a series. LL 1 & 2 werent even races. They were jokes with dudes bikes being pulled out with a wench. He needs 2-3 rounds to warm up and then its on. Only problem is is hes already too far back to have a shot at it and its not even his fault. RedBud 2 is elis time to shine. Lets be real. He should be waxing the floor with these dudes. Webb and Kroc are his competition. Not AC and Barcia.
You might have a point. Hear me out...The 2 LL mud races really made this championship blah. It made the points standings so spread out. I wonder how this chip would look like if those races were dry races. It might be a yawner for Osborne from here on out. The 250 class is going to be fun to watch tho
We are 4 rounds and look at the point gaps...That's not fun when it comes to a championship. I know anything can happen. But Zacho has this

1 16 Zachary Osborne - 172
2 25 Marvin Musquin - 146
3 51 Justin Barcia - 133
4 1 Eli Tomac - 129
5 9 Adam Cianciarulo - 125
6 23 Chase Sexton - 116
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9/5/2020 8:14am
UpTiTe is spot on, and 2 DNF's have others have mentioned have zapped some of his speed no doubt. With this shortened series he is well aware that the math is not in his favour, and give credit to the other guys, they are on the gas and are riding with more urgency than Tomac for sure. For the #1, there is only one way to go, and that is down-has always been the case for the title holder. When a guy like Tomac struggles to keep up the intensity, it is more proof of how incredibly difficult it is to put up the numbers RC has-what a beast. Even in his final part time MX season, RC would not concede to Stewart, with nothing on the line but retirement on the horizon. That tells you everything you know about RC's nature.
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9/5/2020 8:14am
kb228 wrote:
ET is always slow to start a series. LL 1 & 2 werent even races. They were jokes with dudes bikes being pulled out with a...
ET is always slow to start a series. LL 1 & 2 werent even races. They were jokes with dudes bikes being pulled out with a wench. He needs 2-3 rounds to warm up and then its on. Only problem is is hes already too far back to have a shot at it and its not even his fault. RedBud 2 is elis time to shine. Lets be real. He should be waxing the floor with these dudes. Webb and Kroc are his competition. Not AC and Barcia.
Not to be a dick, but when was Eli ever a slow starter outdoors? His results say otherwise.
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9/5/2020 8:16am
Tomac is gonna Tomac.. Incredibly fast, except when he isn’t, no apparent logic or patterns involved. Makes watching the races better to me. 10 minutes into a moto when ET is in 14th or so it’s fun to try and figure out if it’s gonna be a psychotic charge to win by a mile or just a regular (and really impressive) run deep into the top 10.
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9/5/2020 8:45am
Gravel wrote:
Tomac is gonna Tomac.. Incredibly fast, except when he isn’t, no apparent logic or patterns involved. Makes watching the races better to me. 10 minutes into...
Tomac is gonna Tomac.. Incredibly fast, except when he isn’t, no apparent logic or patterns involved. Makes watching the races better to me. 10 minutes into a moto when ET is in 14th or so it’s fun to try and figure out if it’s gonna be a psychotic charge to win by a mile or just a regular (and really impressive) run deep into the top 10.
Tomac hasn't missed a race all year and he's been going 110% since Anaheim 1. Plus the mental exhaustion of having a pandemic, his first child, his first supercross championship, and then trying to get ready for the Outdoors. Zacho missed a couple of SX races but was never in the hunt of the championship. I think your seeing an exhausted field except for the guys who missed races this year.
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9/5/2020 8:56am
Probably hard to get back into the grind when you spent a month in one spot, basically on vacation while racing 2x a week. I’m sure he’s just over this year. I don’t think the field has stepped up, everyone’s getting older, not faster.
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9/5/2020 8:59am
kb228 wrote:
ET is always slow to start a series. LL 1 & 2 werent even races. They were jokes with dudes bikes being pulled out with a...
ET is always slow to start a series. LL 1 & 2 werent even races. They were jokes with dudes bikes being pulled out with a wench. He needs 2-3 rounds to warm up and then its on. Only problem is is hes already too far back to have a shot at it and its not even his fault. RedBud 2 is elis time to shine. Lets be real. He should be waxing the floor with these dudes. Webb and Kroc are his competition. Not AC and Barcia.
UpTiTe wrote:
Not to be a dick, but when was Eli ever a slow starter outdoors? His results say otherwise.
This exactly!
Here are his results from the first 4 weeks. and points deficits. of the last 4 years, he lost the title once and was down less points than he is now, and had 8 more rounds, not 5.

2015 1-1-1-1-1-Crash Out
2016 4-4-3-3-5-2-5-2 Down 41 Points
2017 1-1-2-19-7-2-12-1 Down 11 Points
2018 1-1-1-1-1-1-2-1 Up 28 Points
2019 4-1-1-1-5-1-3-2 Tied to KR94
2020 7-2-9-24-2-1-4-5 Down 43 Points

I'm a Tomac fan-boy, I'll admit that, but its going to be nearly impossible for Tomac to take this one.
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9/5/2020 8:59am
Wondering if he’s nursing an injury? Last week if there was one more lap Barcia would’ve passed him, and that was not on a smooth vet track like red bud was according to some Laughing
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tek14 wrote:
Track was smooth as vet track so nobody could make big difference coming from back. Even DF who is different level could not come from back...
Track was smooth as vet track so nobody could make big difference coming from back. Even DF who is different level could not come from back to front because everyone was doing same things at track and didnt come tired as it was smooth. When riders like Noren can keep pace its too easy. Noren is great but not Tomacs level.
First it was muddy and not a real track and now it was too smooth. It doesn't matter. Those guys all race the same track. Can you blame the track because he doesn't holeshot?
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9/5/2020 9:28am
tek14 wrote:
Track was smooth as vet track so nobody could make big difference coming from back. Even DF who is different level could not come from back...
Track was smooth as vet track so nobody could make big difference coming from back. Even DF who is different level could not come from back to front because everyone was doing same things at track and didnt come tired as it was smooth. When riders like Noren can keep pace its too easy. Noren is great but not Tomacs level.
captmoto wrote:
First it was muddy and not a real track and now it was too smooth. It doesn't matter. Those guys all race the same track. Can...
First it was muddy and not a real track and now it was too smooth. It doesn't matter. Those guys all race the same track. Can you blame the track because he doesn't holeshot?
Very true, getting good starts def gonna help.
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9/5/2020 9:33am
It’s still there. He just hasn’t unleashed the Beast Mode..
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9/5/2020 9:44am
mxb2 wrote:
Hard to say what is going on, if tomac retires now he has a legend career. Nobody else in this field will.
Agree. He gets a lot of hate on this forum, but it’s hard to deny the championships & stats he’s accumulated. He will be a legend in this sport when he does decide to hang up his boots & helmet..
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9/5/2020 10:12am Edited Date/Time 9/5/2020 10:13am
How do people come to these ridiculous conclusions like the entire field has stepped it up to beast mode level? Do you people not realize that level isn’t even physically possible for some of those guys? And then you see Tomac have a hard time getting around Noran for, like, 8th, and you seriously think Tomac is riding as good as he ever has?

How about, the season has been super weird and long? Tomac finally got that supercross championship. He already DNF’ed twice in a short season and might feel like trying to hunt down the title is pointless. And oh yeah, how could you all forget, he has a freaking 3 month old child at home. Maybe he isn’t sleeping as well as he usually does?!?!?! Just speculation, but how it doesn’t cross your minds, I don’t know. You recall RC said that in ‘07 he was getting little sleep due to a newborn baby but he just kept his training program up, and he was absolutely wasted from it. Might be the same for Tomac.
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9/5/2020 12:19pm
tjnel wrote:
How do people come to these ridiculous conclusions like the entire field has stepped it up to beast mode level? Do you people not realize that...
How do people come to these ridiculous conclusions like the entire field has stepped it up to beast mode level? Do you people not realize that level isn’t even physically possible for some of those guys? And then you see Tomac have a hard time getting around Noran for, like, 8th, and you seriously think Tomac is riding as good as he ever has?

How about, the season has been super weird and long? Tomac finally got that supercross championship. He already DNF’ed twice in a short season and might feel like trying to hunt down the title is pointless. And oh yeah, how could you all forget, he has a freaking 3 month old child at home. Maybe he isn’t sleeping as well as he usually does?!?!?! Just speculation, but how it doesn’t cross your minds, I don’t know. You recall RC said that in ‘07 he was getting little sleep due to a newborn baby but he just kept his training program up, and he was absolutely wasted from it. Might be the same for Tomac.
Well you dont see the other guys that is around him just fall flat and Hove up because they have a large gap in points. And for what ever kawi pays him he should be out there trying his best.

Im not a Tomac fan, i like finess on the bike and he has none of that, but he just seems to be in a large hole now. Dont know if it is mentally och something else but i would be suprised if he dont wins a moto with 30+ seconds before the season is over.

And why would he ride around ”saving” him self when he rode his brains out the last SX rounds just because he could, not because he had to..
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9/5/2020 2:04pm
1) RC4 was totally unique. A freak of nature. No one can compare to him and ever will.

2) ET having three titles in a row is amazing. No one else has ever done 4x except RC4.

3) He could of not been feeling well Friday, hurt a little etc. Who knows. Would be cool if he said something but he never will. When have you ever heard the guy say he was sore after a race...he did last Monday.

4) He was right there with half a lap to go in moto 2. But there was no charge to finish it. Points to not having the strength or energy to try it. When you are in great condition you feel like you can go as fast as you want to or have to. That extra ET push at the end was not there.

We have seen him 'motor around' for half the moto even last year...he just did that the whole moto Friday. Even his 'off day' speed almost had him there though.

Can't have bad starts like he does and he went backwards on the first lap again. That tells you it is not his day when he does that.

5) If you have not had a new baby in the house you have no idea what it can be like. This could be much more of a factor than many think.

Maybe taking the risk of 'beast mode' is not something he is willing do this summer.
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9/5/2020 2:08pm
The same people hating on Tomac for not winning every race are the same people that hated on bubba for crashing out.
If Eli isn’t feeling it, he shuts it down probably why he hasn’t been hurt since 2015.
If he had decent starts he would of been battling for the lead in both motos.
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9/5/2020 2:20pm Edited Date/Time 9/5/2020 2:21pm
Lukass59 wrote:
The same people hating on Tomac for not winning every race are the same people that hated on bubba for crashing out. If Eli isn’t feeling...
The same people hating on Tomac for not winning every race are the same people that hated on bubba for crashing out.
If Eli isn’t feeling it, he shuts it down probably why he hasn’t been hurt since 2015.
If he had decent starts he would of been battling for the lead in both motos.
True.

And he was still going fast though.
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