Nationals Postponed - Again

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KX500 wrote:
So you're good with a choice that is pretty much guaranteed to take a (defenseless) life but not OK with a choice that has maybe a...
So you're good with a choice that is pretty much guaranteed to take a (defenseless) life but not OK with a choice that has maybe a 0.1% chance of taking a life?

I'm OK with being the only 1 here who sees a contradiction.
seth505 wrote:
Let's say you're a woman. Let's say you get raped. Let's say you have no support or financial backing to raise a kid you didn't ask...
Let's say you're a woman. Let's say you get raped. Let's say you have no support or financial backing to raise a kid you didn't ask for. Do WE make you have the kid? If we do, does that make any fucking sense to you?
Chicago's Museum of Science and Industry has a pre-natal development exhibit that has preserved human babies in containers that show development from 28 days till birth. Its a pretty fascinating but somber exibit. Even from a few weeks after conception you can see they are human beings. To abort them is simply murder but many seem to be ok with it. I used to be ambivalent about it until I saw this exhibit; it changed my attitude about it. While the rape situation is a well used rebuttal, the statistics shows that doesn't occur often at all; for the vast majority its being used as birth control.
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KX500 wrote:
So you're good with a choice that is pretty much guaranteed to take a (defenseless) life but not OK with a choice that has maybe a...
So you're good with a choice that is pretty much guaranteed to take a (defenseless) life but not OK with a choice that has maybe a 0.1% chance of taking a life?

I'm OK with being the only 1 here who sees a contradiction.
seth505 wrote:
Let's say you're a woman. Let's say you get raped. Let's say you have no support or financial backing to raise a kid you didn't ask...
Let's say you're a woman. Let's say you get raped. Let's say you have no support or financial backing to raise a kid you didn't ask for. Do WE make you have the kid? If we do, does that make any fucking sense to you?
Chicago's Museum of Science and Industry has a pre-natal development exhibit that has preserved human babies in containers that show development from 28 days till birth...
Chicago's Museum of Science and Industry has a pre-natal development exhibit that has preserved human babies in containers that show development from 28 days till birth. Its a pretty fascinating but somber exibit. Even from a few weeks after conception you can see they are human beings. To abort them is simply murder but many seem to be ok with it. I used to be ambivalent about it until I saw this exhibit; it changed my attitude about it. While the rape situation is a well used rebuttal, the statistics shows that doesn't occur often at all; for the vast majority its being used as birth control.
Right on, since that doesn't occur much, we'll send all those babies to your home address. I assume you're fine with that.
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7/9/2020 2:33pm
So you think that group of people are wrong, but that group of people thinks you are wrong as well, and it's about 50/50 on each...
So you think that group of people are wrong, but that group of people thinks you are wrong as well, and it's about 50/50 on each side.

Instead of watching the media where you can't believe anything you see anymore (right or left), take a look at what's going on around you. I know 9 people now who've had it, and I bet a lot of you have already had it but just don't know it. If the virus was so "deadly", all 9 people I know would be dead. But no, at worst they had a mild fever for a 3-5 days One of my employees in his 60's currently has it those are his symptoms as well, we'll see how long it lasts. My friend's Dad had it and he was pretty sick for a week and a half, but guess what - he's not healthy and has other issues. Still, he recovered.

If you are healthy this is just a flu bug. It surely can be considered a "bad" flu bug in some cases. If you are sick with other medical complications this virus can be deadly. But that's no different than any other flu or pneumonia other than it being new to us, which could make the death toll higher than the seasonal flu. This flu bug will run it's course, just like every other flu bug.

There are exceptions to every scenario, such as a healthy person can die from it right? But this is where the media and division comes into play. The fact that the one healthy person that dies form it will be cherry picked and blasted all over the headline news, whereas the 10 million other healthy people who already had it with no symptoms or are whom already recovered aren't being talked about. This is what creates the division.....because 1/2 of people believe what they see on the news, and the other half wonders how they could be so blind.

Yeah I have family who works in the hospitals too. I was also recently in the hospital when the media was claiming hospitals are overwhelmed. I went in and it was dead. I asked where all the covid patients were, and they said "uh yeah, a little different scene than the media is portraying huh?"

Media and politics are creating and fueling the hate between the parties. Hopefully both sides can realize that.

You are trying to reason with the irrational and unreasonable. Posting ANY alternative other than the media approved talking-points propaganda is met with the "shout-down" mobs. Every time the subject comes up in a thread, notice the usual suspects and their tactics.

Free thought is no longer the norm. Believe, conform, obey......



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avidchimp wrote:
This^^^ All day. My show just got pushed another month (end of August) because people think wearing a mask is an assault on their rights.
Can you just make sure Seal Team gets back on? That's one of the only shows I watch on network TV.
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seth505 wrote:
Let's say you're a woman. Let's say you get raped. Let's say you have no support or financial backing to raise a kid you didn't ask...
Let's say you're a woman. Let's say you get raped. Let's say you have no support or financial backing to raise a kid you didn't ask for. Do WE make you have the kid? If we do, does that make any fucking sense to you?
Chicago's Museum of Science and Industry has a pre-natal development exhibit that has preserved human babies in containers that show development from 28 days till birth...
Chicago's Museum of Science and Industry has a pre-natal development exhibit that has preserved human babies in containers that show development from 28 days till birth. Its a pretty fascinating but somber exibit. Even from a few weeks after conception you can see they are human beings. To abort them is simply murder but many seem to be ok with it. I used to be ambivalent about it until I saw this exhibit; it changed my attitude about it. While the rape situation is a well used rebuttal, the statistics shows that doesn't occur often at all; for the vast majority its being used as birth control.
seth505 wrote:
Right on, since that doesn't occur much, we'll send all those babies to your home address. I assume you're fine with that.
Well the babies would probably be ok with that given their other option. Seems like as a taxpayer I'm gonna be paying for either way it goes.

Why limit its use to terminating them before or at birth? I have no recollection of anything before I was about four years old. If a mother has a baby give her three years to either learn to support it/deal with it or let her terminate it then. Just extend the women's reproductive rights argument out further??
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Chicago's Museum of Science and Industry has a pre-natal development exhibit that has preserved human babies in containers that show development from 28 days till birth...
Chicago's Museum of Science and Industry has a pre-natal development exhibit that has preserved human babies in containers that show development from 28 days till birth. Its a pretty fascinating but somber exibit. Even from a few weeks after conception you can see they are human beings. To abort them is simply murder but many seem to be ok with it. I used to be ambivalent about it until I saw this exhibit; it changed my attitude about it. While the rape situation is a well used rebuttal, the statistics shows that doesn't occur often at all; for the vast majority its being used as birth control.
seth505 wrote:
Right on, since that doesn't occur much, we'll send all those babies to your home address. I assume you're fine with that.
Well the babies would probably be ok with that given their other option. Seems like as a taxpayer I'm gonna be paying for either way it...
Well the babies would probably be ok with that given their other option. Seems like as a taxpayer I'm gonna be paying for either way it goes.

Why limit its use to terminating them before or at birth? I have no recollection of anything before I was about four years old. If a mother has a baby give her three years to either learn to support it/deal with it or let her terminate it then. Just extend the women's reproductive rights argument out further??
The planet is a lot bigger than your town. Your taxes aren't paying for an abortion in South Africa, or Mexico, or Zimbabwe, or Russia...
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I feel a cleaning coming on
House cleaning on a wholesale scale.

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We’re in a thread talking about the Nationals being postponed, and...SQUIRREL! Now the topic is abortion?

Several of you proved that you’re incapable of rational thought and/or staying on topic. Several of you will find that your posting privileges have been suspended. A couple of you won’t be making it back.

I’ll leave the posts here for now, but I’d suggest not following that particular posting theme unless you’d like to join those on the outs.
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avidchimp wrote:
This^^^ All day. My show just got pushed another month (end of August) because people think wearing a mask is an assault on their rights.
tcannon521 wrote:
Can you just make sure Seal Team gets back on? That's one of the only shows I watch on network TV.
It's been renewed. That said, the season finale we got was not the intended one. I think the first two episodes of season 4 will be what was supposed to be the season 3 finale.

Totally saw the season 3 finale coming since season 2.
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I cannot say THANK YOU loud enough GuyB!!
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EngIceDave wrote:
I feel a cleaning coming on
GuyB wrote:
House cleaning on a wholesale scale.

The sooner the better.
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7/9/2020 4:18pm
seth505 wrote:
You sound like you graduated from youtube university.
No I don't watch any of that sht on Youtube. My information has come from people that work in hospital admin and my experience with the virus. Yep people die from it. Same as the flu. I can rely on past experience having been here longer than most and the only reason this is such an issue is purely political. I hope no of you lose your jobs or worse your house but one more shutdown may do just that. I am not a conspiracy theorist and don't believe on ghosts. But go right on ahead and believe everything you hear from the news and "experts" and when it's too late, then you are well and truly fckd.
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7/9/2020 4:46pm
seth505 wrote:
You sound like you graduated from youtube university.
NMX168 wrote:
No I don't watch any of that sht on Youtube. My information has come from people that work in hospital admin and my experience with the...
No I don't watch any of that sht on Youtube. My information has come from people that work in hospital admin and my experience with the virus. Yep people die from it. Same as the flu. I can rely on past experience having been here longer than most and the only reason this is such an issue is purely political. I hope no of you lose your jobs or worse your house but one more shutdown may do just that. I am not a conspiracy theorist and don't believe on ghosts. But go right on ahead and believe everything you hear from the news and "experts" and when it's too late, then you are well and truly fckd.
It is a fascinating time in history to watch our government officials try to distort our reality.
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Wow, rge amount of "just do what the news tells you to do" is mind blowing!Laughing
CM_84 wrote:
Wow the amount of "I dont believe what the researchers, medical experts and scientists say, because i know better after a 5 minute search on facebook"...
Wow the amount of "I dont believe what the researchers, medical experts and scientists say, because i know better after a 5 minute search on facebook" is mind blowing Laughing
Ozy wrote:
You are speaking as if the researchers, medical experts, have reached a consensus of opinion. For every trained medical doctor who says wear a mask, there...
You are speaking as if the researchers, medical experts, have reached a consensus of opinion. For every trained medical doctor who says wear a mask, there is another who disagrees. Is seems like whoever one gets their news from is the die hard opinion they adopt. Just last weekend the CDC said the death rate from the virus is so low that it's no longer classified as an "Epidemic." USA has the lowest death rate in the world. More tests have shown HCQ with zinc and the zpack will cure over 90% of people infected if taken early enough.

Why is it so difficult to comprehend there is NO consensus of opinion from the medical "experts" regarding the use of masks and social distancing.
peer reviewed articles in medical journals is a good guide of consensus.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)3114…
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seth505 wrote:
You sound like you graduated from youtube university.
NMX168 wrote:
No I don't watch any of that sht on Youtube. My information has come from people that work in hospital admin and my experience with the...
No I don't watch any of that sht on Youtube. My information has come from people that work in hospital admin and my experience with the virus. Yep people die from it. Same as the flu. I can rely on past experience having been here longer than most and the only reason this is such an issue is purely political. I hope no of you lose your jobs or worse your house but one more shutdown may do just that. I am not a conspiracy theorist and don't believe on ghosts. But go right on ahead and believe everything you hear from the news and "experts" and when it's too late, then you are well and truly fckd.
I believe my daughter when she says she has a hard time breathing and a 102* fever due to Covid. Yes she’s tested positive. I believe my friends daughter who permanently
lost 1/3 of her lung capacity. I also believe my friend I grew up with who said this shits fucked who’s no longer here. A healthy 34 year old CrossFit trainer. I don’t need to watch the news to take it serious.
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7/9/2020 5:04pm
avidchimp wrote:
This^^^ All day. My show just got pushed another month (end of August) because people think wearing a mask is an assault on their rights.
tcannon521 wrote:
Can you just make sure Seal Team gets back on? That's one of the only shows I watch on network TV.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
It's been renewed. That said, the season finale we got was not the intended one. I think the first two episodes of season 4 will be...
It's been renewed. That said, the season finale we got was not the intended one. I think the first two episodes of season 4 will be what was supposed to be the season 3 finale.

Totally saw the season 3 finale coming since season 2.
I have a couple friends on that show, and it will be back, but not till people wear a fucking mask and stop being assholes. All Studio shows are being pushed because of this shit. Just like the racing we all are wanting to watch.
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All this thread has proved to me is why exactly we are in such a fucked up situation. We have a group of people on here...
All this thread has proved to me is why exactly we are in such a fucked up situation. We have a group of people on here calling other people sheep, bitching about tyranny, conspiracy, and whatever else. This group is also the loudest group complaining about the Nationals being postponed and "harkens back to the day when we all weren't pussies". All this group has to do, to help everything.....the spread of illness, the opening of an economy, getting Motocross going again, etc, etc, is take some simple precautions. But instead it is just take shots at people, promote half-baked theories full of bad data, and blame everyone but themselves for why things are so bad.

Fuck, just do the right thing already. It's not that hard.
The Dunning-Kruger disease will kill more people than COVID-19
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He invoked fear, segregation and the motto to not worry, the government will take care of you and steer you in the right direction. Just a...
He invoked fear, segregation and the motto to not worry, the government will take care of you and steer you in the right direction. Just a play from the deep state.
Sounds exactly what Chump is doing. His two best world leader friends, well only one now is Putin and formerly NPK's Bung Sung Who are brutal dictators. He'd corn hole his base as fast as Hitler screwed the jews. Think on yer own and use that purple head for something other than a Bell Helmets display.
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seth505 wrote:
Let's say you're a woman. Let's say you get raped. Let's say you have no support or financial backing to raise a kid you didn't ask...
Let's say you're a woman. Let's say you get raped. Let's say you have no support or financial backing to raise a kid you didn't ask for. Do WE make you have the kid? If we do, does that make any fucking sense to you?
Chicago's Museum of Science and Industry has a pre-natal development exhibit that has preserved human babies in containers that show development from 28 days till birth...
Chicago's Museum of Science and Industry has a pre-natal development exhibit that has preserved human babies in containers that show development from 28 days till birth. Its a pretty fascinating but somber exibit. Even from a few weeks after conception you can see they are human beings. To abort them is simply murder but many seem to be ok with it. I used to be ambivalent about it until I saw this exhibit; it changed my attitude about it. While the rape situation is a well used rebuttal, the statistics shows that doesn't occur often at all; for the vast majority its being used as birth control.
seth505 wrote:
Right on, since that doesn't occur much, we'll send all those babies to your home address. I assume you're fine with that.
I don't believe in abortion, you should have seen fathers day here. Mail man was pissed, delivered over 500 cards to me that day..
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I'll try...

What is the drop-dead date that you think the Nationals could start? Meaning if they don't start by then it is not going to happen.

My guess would be the first weekend in September. Maybe an eight race series if that happens?

7/9/2020 6:13pm
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When they say flatten the curve, they mean bring it back down to baseline. You guys made a beautiful plateau at around 20,000 cases a day...
When they say flatten the curve, they mean bring it back down to baseline. You guys made a beautiful plateau at around 20,000 cases a day, before you started the current “Mt. Everest” climb you are currently on in the 55,000 case level. I don’t know if America has any hope for getting it under control anymore. I hope that the virus does not have a substantial impact on the lives of my American neighbors.

hamncheeze wrote:
Well, we did not exactly come back to baseline here in Canada either. Especially in Quebec and Ontario. The last week in BC has shown we...
Well, we did not exactly come back to baseline here in Canada either. Especially in Quebec and Ontario. The last week in BC has shown we have some community transmission going on, and our testing rates/million are pretty low. IMO it could either way still in Canada. So let's not get too high on our Canadian horses.
hamncheeze wrote:
Plus we are about announce a $300B debt due to the pandemic and probably see our credit rating and currency take a massive shit in about...
Plus we are about announce a $300B debt due to the pandemic and probably see our credit rating and currency take a massive shit in about 40 minutes.
Hammy,

I agreed that us Pupper drinkers are on the bobble of going either way. Being from ‘Gods Country” (Alberta) we keep having flare ups. As my friends from Letterkenny would say - To be fair, our deficit is for Covid is $315 billion ($434B - $28B or original projected deficit) is approx. 10% of the USA spending on the virus, just as our population was. My major concern is that our debt is 49% of our GDP. We will need to increase productivity once we get through this.

I noticed though that my post was a bit of a Debbie downer post about the USA situation and your reply was a Debbie downer on Canada’s situation. The other reply I received was from Dimblewambie Who stated optimistically “ We’re not back to back world war champs for nothing, Everest here we come!‘. What a difference in outlook. I don’t know why your post is missing Dimblewambie, but I tip my hat to your (and most Americans) positive outlook.
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Sounds exactly what Chump is doing. His two best world leader friends, well only one now is Putin and formerly NPK's Bung Sung Who are brutal...
Sounds exactly what Chump is doing. His two best world leader friends, well only one now is Putin and formerly NPK's Bung Sung Who are brutal dictators. He'd corn hole his base as fast as Hitler screwed the jews. Think on yer own and use that purple head for something other than a Bell Helmets display.
Hey Bobby, what topics don’t we talk about here?

Oh yeah, you can’t reply.
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7/9/2020 7:23pm
I still haven't gone a day without diagnosing atleast one patient with covid in our little ER that is in the middle of nowhere. It's real folks, and it could kill you. Ask me how I know, but I can't answer due to "Hippos"
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Were those TB cases in the US?
How many were in the US?

Isn't there a vaccine for TB?
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TB is a very different disease in terms of contagiousness. And it’s a disease of poverty in current times. Much different than COVID.

Regarding the drop dead date for outdoors, I agree that it likely has to get going in September. In the podcast DC did with Weigandt I think he said 3rd week in October would be the latest they could run.
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Last I saw this thread had quieted down. Now 5 pages later, what did I miss?
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Hammy, I agreed that us Pupper drinkers are on the bobble of going either way. Being from ‘Gods Country” (Alberta) we keep having flare ups. As...
Hammy,

I agreed that us Pupper drinkers are on the bobble of going either way. Being from ‘Gods Country” (Alberta) we keep having flare ups. As my friends from Letterkenny would say - To be fair, our deficit is for Covid is $315 billion ($434B - $28B or original projected deficit) is approx. 10% of the USA spending on the virus, just as our population was. My major concern is that our debt is 49% of our GDP. We will need to increase productivity once we get through this.

I noticed though that my post was a bit of a Debbie downer post about the USA situation and your reply was a Debbie downer on Canada’s situation. The other reply I received was from Dimblewambie Who stated optimistically “ We’re not back to back world war champs for nothing, Everest here we come!‘. What a difference in outlook. I don’t know why your post is missing Dimblewambie, but I tip my hat to your (and most Americans) positive outlook.
I’m originally from God’s Country and still identify as Albertan after 20 years on the coast. I agree the debt/GDP ratio is staggering. My buddies and I were texting about it within minutes of Morneau’s disclosure.

I am Debbie Downer because I work in healthcare and tend to err on the public health/humanity side but I see the economic disaster we are facing as a nation and I just don’t see the right path forward. It can’t be Trudeau writing cheques indefinitely but it can’t be full throttle either. We need to make sure the LTC situation is tight to avoid outbreaks , then make sure the agriculture side gets enough testing to stop farm/plant flare ups, and gradually open up what is safe. We also need the other parts of healthcare to stay COVID free to get caught up on surgeries, cancer screenings, and other diagnostic procedures. Or we will have 2 health crises. Or 3 since we have the opioid crisis too.

I need another beer.
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It's really sad to watch United States of America becoming Divided States of America as an outsider. I hope you can get your shit together and fight against the virus that causing deaths all over the world.

In Finland we took social distancing seriously right from the start of the pandemic and now there only few daily new cases. Now everything is going slowly back to normal in here. Our national motocross championship is starting finally this weekend and I pretty excited about that.

I hope you can start nationals in the US too as soon as you get your virus situation under control but that won't be happening before you start working against the virus together and forget about all the political bullshit that is spreading through the internet
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