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gregyou 6/24/2020 8:09pm
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Sexton only just neat macklewrath, got smoked last year nearly every race by forkner and now he’s going to win I’m the 450 class?
Maybe when a few of the front runners move on
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Tarz483 6/24/2020 8:24pm
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His Riding Reminds me of Dungey.
And I remember reading about him beating the 450 classes on 85's
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kaidoddragon 6/24/2020 10:47pm
6/24/2020 10:47pm Edited Date/Time 6/24/2020 10:51pm
Just to be clear about the thread. I don't know if he is gonna podium this summer, I'm only talking about SUPERCROSS in 2021. His SX skills are on point.

For example look at the east heat race last sunday. From lap 5-6-7 he cut down a 5 second gap between he and Mcelrath by putting lap times between 49.2 to 49.9 while Shane was riding between 50.6 to 51.5.

And he looked good going at this speed...
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Aussie_power_sports 6/25/2020 1:19am
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I would not be so quick to downplay the depth of class in regards to Dungey's dominance. At A1, he kept pace with Stewart, beat the...
I would not be so quick to downplay the depth of class in regards to Dungey's dominance. At A1, he kept pace with Stewart, beat the other heavy hitters like Reed and RV, and had a phenomenal sx series, winning the title. Outdoors, he waxed the competition, usually winning by 30-45 seconds which put him on the next level. History shows that Dungey went on to beat guys like Reed, Tomac, Roczen, Anderson, Barcia, Bagget, et al. which is impressive.

Sexton shows all the signs of that next level rider so while the competition may be tough, there will always be an up and comer ready to mix it up for podiums and wins.
You really believe 2010 outdoor field was as deep as the 450 class these ? Your crazy no way its comparable

This year there are 10 guys capable of podiuming each week and 5 capable winning each week...

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DrinkMoreWater 6/25/2020 1:36am
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gregyou wrote:
Sexton only just neat macklewrath, got smoked last year nearly every race by forkner and now he’s going to win I’m the 450 class? Maybe when...
Sexton only just neat macklewrath, got smoked last year nearly every race by forkner and now he’s going to win I’m the 450 class?
Maybe when a few of the front runners move on
That was last year, he's a completely different rider now.
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Suicidal_Tendencies wrote:
I would not be so quick to downplay the depth of class in regards to Dungey's dominance. At A1, he kept pace with Stewart, beat the...
I would not be so quick to downplay the depth of class in regards to Dungey's dominance. At A1, he kept pace with Stewart, beat the other heavy hitters like Reed and RV, and had a phenomenal sx series, winning the title. Outdoors, he waxed the competition, usually winning by 30-45 seconds which put him on the next level. History shows that Dungey went on to beat guys like Reed, Tomac, Roczen, Anderson, Barcia, Bagget, et al. which is impressive.

Sexton shows all the signs of that next level rider so while the competition may be tough, there will always be an up and comer ready to mix it up for podiums and wins.
Aussie_power_sports wrote:
You really believe 2010 outdoor field was as deep as the 450 class these ? Your crazy no way its comparable This year there are 10...
You really believe 2010 outdoor field was as deep as the 450 class these ? Your crazy no way its comparable

This year there are 10 guys capable of podiuming each week and 5 capable winning each week...
Yup the 2010 outdoor field was no where near as deep as now.

Dungey became a great, but in 2010 his toughest competitor was Andrew Short, who has 0 450 mx overall wins.
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Boomslang 6/25/2020 3:17am
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Maybe you are being sarcastic, but it would not surprise me to see him on the podium at all. Dungey did pretty good in his rookie...
Maybe you are being sarcastic, but it would not surprise me to see him on the podium at all. Dungey did pretty good in his rookie season in the 450 class.
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To podium he would need to beat all but two of the following in a 30+2 Tomac Webb Roczen Anderson Osborne Wilson Barcia Baggett Cianciarulo Musquin...
To podium he would need to beat all but two of the following in a 30+2

Tomac
Webb
Roczen
Anderson
Osborne
Wilson
Barcia
Baggett
Cianciarulo
Musquin

That's a tall order. There will be riders on the list above that won't podium the whole season
Sexton needs to focus on top 10's. There is a big difference when riding to 250 flat out to riding a 450 close to the edge. He aint going to learn that quickly and needs to ride to finish the season without getting hurt.

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wardy 6/25/2020 5:31am
6/25/2020 5:31am Edited Date/Time 6/25/2020 5:32am
ok

little secret last year during his time off. he rode. the whole time. on his 450.

"no time" for that kid means he hasn't trained all week on the bike". now he will be focused on nothing else.

I hope the industry / riders take him as fore granted as this post. it will serve him well.

he is faster and more fluid on his 450. he will gain experience as he goes. and has worked with some
really great riders.

his whole career to this point he has pretty much quietly got it done. people point to the kid from MO, who chase raced with his whole amateur career. difference is control and speed. Anyone can go fast. Staying on the bike and making good decisions is where the talent comes in.

oh and from a very young age he stepped up to find the competition, this is just another step.


sit back and enjoy. that light at the end of the tunnel, it's a freight train coming. the number 23.


and yes around here we are quite biased.


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If you listen to one of his interviews on pulp, not the one from last week but I believe the one prior, he was asked how he fared against roczen and some other high caliber 450 rider, since he had been practicing with them on a 450 during that time a little. You can tell he's being modest and dances around the question a little and doesn't want to say "yeah I'm as fast of those guys (or maybe a little faster)", and instead says something like "it's just practice". Because, yes after all, it IS just practice. But time will tell, we will see. I do think his smooth style lends itself more to a 450 as well, so maybe not this year, but he will do real well in the years coming.
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ti473 6/25/2020 6:03am
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And wardy... you biased?? naaaw
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ti473 wrote:
If you listen to one of his interviews on pulp, not the one from last week but I believe the one prior, he was asked how...
If you listen to one of his interviews on pulp, not the one from last week but I believe the one prior, he was asked how he fared against roczen and some other high caliber 450 rider, since he had been practicing with them on a 450 during that time a little. You can tell he's being modest and dances around the question a little and doesn't want to say "yeah I'm as fast of those guys (or maybe a little faster)", and instead says something like "it's just practice". Because, yes after all, it IS just practice. But time will tell, we will see. I do think his smooth style lends itself more to a 450 as well, so maybe not this year, but he will do real well in the years coming.
Practise, qualifying all different to actual racing, look at the hype about how fast Justin hill was at the practise track and how well suited he was supposed to be to the 450.
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nealb129 6/25/2020 7:19am
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Every year,... same story almost every year...

I hope he comes out swinging and is podium threat. History says otherwise though
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Suicidal_Tendencies 6/25/2020 7:50am
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I would not be so quick to downplay the depth of class in regards to Dungey's dominance. At A1, he kept pace with Stewart, beat the...
I would not be so quick to downplay the depth of class in regards to Dungey's dominance. At A1, he kept pace with Stewart, beat the other heavy hitters like Reed and RV, and had a phenomenal sx series, winning the title. Outdoors, he waxed the competition, usually winning by 30-45 seconds which put him on the next level. History shows that Dungey went on to beat guys like Reed, Tomac, Roczen, Anderson, Barcia, Bagget, et al. which is impressive.

Sexton shows all the signs of that next level rider so while the competition may be tough, there will always be an up and comer ready to mix it up for podiums and wins.
Aussie_power_sports wrote:
You really believe 2010 outdoor field was as deep as the 450 class these ? Your crazy no way its comparable This year there are 10...
You really believe 2010 outdoor field was as deep as the 450 class these ? Your crazy no way its comparable

This year there are 10 guys capable of podiuming each week and 5 capable winning each week...
I did not say that the class depths were comparable. I said that I would not downplay it in regards to Dungey's success. In other words, just because the class did not have the depth that the 2020 class does, it doesn't detract from Dungey's success. Dungey would have been a contender even if the other heavy hitters were in the class.

Either way, I guess we will find out when the gate drops.
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he was extremely strong on the mental side not cracking under pressure
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He's going to be really good, but he'll have to be battle hardened a bit before he can race, not ride, with Tomac and Webb. Lap times are different than dealing with Eli or Cooper 17 mins into a main event.
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Silas444 wrote:
I find it fascinating that HRC went after him as hard as they did while knowing that Forker seemed to have him covered speed-wise. Why didn't...
I find it fascinating that HRC went after him as hard as they did while knowing that Forker seemed to have him covered speed-wise. Why didn't they make a run at Forkner instead? There had to have been reasons, and I think those reasons are coming into focus now.

I think I'll leave it at that.
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I wouldn't touch Forkner. He seems to crash a lot. I think Sexton has way more upside. Yup, he's going to hit the dirt a few...
I wouldn't touch Forkner. He seems to crash a lot.
I think Sexton has way more upside. Yup, he's going to hit the dirt a few times on the 450, but I think he'll be top 3 in a couple of years.
Honda made a run at Forkner before he went Pro, they tried to recruit him to Geico Honda squad
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Sexton is a quiet achiever, I have a lot or respect in the way he goes about his business without making a fuss. Dropping Mcelrath after he let him pass was a huge boss move that i'm sure Mcelrath regrets.

Is Sexton less likely to get a win in his first year than Anderson was?
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kaidoddragon wrote:
The way Sexton rode the last 2 races, the speed and technique combined plus the fact he is really young (5 years younger than Webb, 6...
The way Sexton rode the last 2 races, the speed and technique combined plus the fact he is really young (5 years younger than Webb, 6 than Roczen and 7 than Tomac), he is gonna be a VERY big threat for that 450 SX title, even in 2021. Even the top trio (2, 94 and 3) will have trouble with him...
I'm not a big fan, and I didn't really paid intention to his riding until lately but man, he's strong, like real strong.
16...?
21...?
9...?
4...?

I expect a few other surprises...including Bloss...
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kaidoddragon wrote:
The way Sexton rode the last 2 races, the speed and technique combined plus the fact he is really young (5 years younger than Webb, 6...
The way Sexton rode the last 2 races, the speed and technique combined plus the fact he is really young (5 years younger than Webb, 6 than Roczen and 7 than Tomac), he is gonna be a VERY big threat for that 450 SX title, even in 2021. Even the top trio (2, 94 and 3) will have trouble with him...
I'm not a big fan, and I didn't really paid intention to his riding until lately but man, he's strong, like real strong.
TeamGreen wrote:
16...?
21...?
9...?
4...?

I expect a few other surprises...including Bloss...
Add Ferrandis to the list for 2021.
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NickHansen600 6/25/2020 4:13pm
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I think he will adapt extremely well to the 450. He reminds me of Gajser!
I think he reminds of the complete opposite of no-visor Gajser.

I get strong Seely vibes from Sexton's style and approach.
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Aussie_power_sports wrote:
You really believe 2010 outdoor field was as deep as the 450 class these ? Your crazy no way its comparable This year there are 10...
You really believe 2010 outdoor field was as deep as the 450 class these ? Your crazy no way its comparable

This year there are 10 guys capable of podiuming each week and 5 capable winning each week...
Do you think a deeper field would have made a difference? Dungey won the 450 SX title that same year against:

Windham
Millsaps
RV
Brayton
Hill
Wey
Tedesco
Short
Canard
Stewart
Reed
Langston
Byrne
Grant

How many National, Supercross, and regional Supercross titles does that group have? How many AMA race wins does that group have?
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Aussie_power_sports wrote:
You really believe 2010 outdoor field was as deep as the 450 class these ? Your crazy no way its comparable This year there are 10...
You really believe 2010 outdoor field was as deep as the 450 class these ? Your crazy no way its comparable

This year there are 10 guys capable of podiuming each week and 5 capable winning each week...
ridge wrote:
Do you think a deeper field would have made a difference? Dungey won the 450 SX title that same year against: Windham Millsaps RV Brayton Hill...
Do you think a deeper field would have made a difference? Dungey won the 450 SX title that same year against:

Windham
Millsaps
RV
Brayton
Hill
Wey
Tedesco
Short
Canard
Stewart
Reed
Langston
Byrne
Grant

How many National, Supercross, and regional Supercross titles does that group have? How many AMA race wins does that group have?
Stew and Chad raced like 2 races bro
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BroFoSho 6/26/2020 10:25am
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ridge wrote:
Do you think a deeper field would have made a difference? Dungey won the 450 SX title that same year against: Windham Millsaps RV Brayton Hill...
Do you think a deeper field would have made a difference? Dungey won the 450 SX title that same year against:

Windham
Millsaps
RV
Brayton
Hill
Wey
Tedesco
Short
Canard
Stewart
Reed
Langston
Byrne
Grant

How many National, Supercross, and regional Supercross titles does that group have? How many AMA race wins does that group have?
Absolutely yes.

- RV crashed out
- Canard was still racing 250s
- Stewart lined up for two races that year
- Reed lined up for four races that year
- If you exclude Windham, the ENTIRE sum of 450SX races won by the riders remaining on that list = 3 (Millsaps 1, Hill 1, Grant 1)
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Stew and Chad raced like 2 races bro
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Absolutely yes. - RV crashed out - Canard was still racing 250s - Stewart lined up for two races that year - Reed lined up for...
Absolutely yes.

- RV crashed out
- Canard was still racing 250s
- Stewart lined up for two races that year
- Reed lined up for four races that year
- If you exclude Windham, the ENTIRE sum of 450SX races won by the riders remaining on that list = 3 (Millsaps 1, Hill 1, Grant 1)
Well then, let's just exclude everybody but RV. Dungey had a 12 point lead when RV crashed out in the 14th race of a 17 race series. It isn't like Dungey couldn't hang in his rookie year.

You can't simply exclude riders because they crashed out.
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Another thing about Sexton that I think will work well with the 450: the dude lifts like he's a football player. I don't remember seeing a rider devote so much to putting on muscle. We always talk about how tall riders should do well on a 450, but I think that pure strength will be more of a help.
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Is Sexton staying with Shift/Fox or signing a separate gear deal for the nationals and future?
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mica.lagross wrote:
Is Sexton staying with Shift/Fox or signing a separate gear deal for the nationals and future?
Geico Shift/Fox for the summer.
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mica.lagross wrote:
Is Sexton staying with Shift/Fox or signing a separate gear deal for the nationals and future?
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Geico Shift/Fox for the summer.
Thanks Mav
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