Roczen Observation

TheGetFresh 6/1/2020 10:00pm
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Anyone else notice Kenny’s voice sounds really high pitched when he’s having a bad night?
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CPR wrote:
Roczen said he kept his normal sea level engine spec for the race and it was lacking a bit of power. I noticed he regularly wasn’t...
Roczen said he kept his normal sea level engine spec for the race and it was lacking a bit of power.
I noticed he regularly wasn’t cleanly clearing some of the rhythms.

Hard to believe Factory Honda didn’t do any elevation testing?!
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Kenny always comes up with an excuse. Not bashing him but he just does. Maybe it works for him mentally though as he always seems to...
Kenny always comes up with an excuse. Not bashing him but he just does. Maybe it works for him mentally though as he always seems to come back stronger the next race. So if it works, do it.

I think he just got tired...they all did. Tomac is an animal with conditioning. Not everyone can be like that. In the genes right?
so you are saying when asked a question by media, he should lie and say no issues? I dont get why you think its a problem that he had an issue with mapping (like quite a few other riders did). Would you rather he wasnt interviewed at all?
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kiwifan 6/2/2020 1:05am
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TheGetFresh wrote:
Anyone else notice Kenny’s voice sounds really high pitched when he’s having a bad night?
Nope, but I guess you think things like that when it is not your favourite rider
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Gordon Liddy 6/2/2020 2:26am
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It looked like Webb was just faster than Roczen, and Tomac was just faster than Webb.
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This is not a rivalries as a lot of people think.
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This is not a rivalries as a lot of people think.
I dunno, man. If I was shitty enough to trash someone's woman, I would probably be giving them a wide berth for a long time after that.
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kpiper 6/2/2020 7:17am
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Gordon Liddy wrote:
It looked like Webb was just faster than Roczen, and Tomac was just faster than Webb.
Exactly. And they all got tired. Probably Kenny was more tired than Eli.
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kpiper 6/2/2020 7:18am
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CPR wrote:
Roczen said he kept his normal sea level engine spec for the race and it was lacking a bit of power. I noticed he regularly wasn’t...
Roczen said he kept his normal sea level engine spec for the race and it was lacking a bit of power.
I noticed he regularly wasn’t cleanly clearing some of the rhythms.

Hard to believe Factory Honda didn’t do any elevation testing?!
kpiper wrote:
Kenny always comes up with an excuse. Not bashing him but he just does. Maybe it works for him mentally though as he always seems to...
Kenny always comes up with an excuse. Not bashing him but he just does. Maybe it works for him mentally though as he always seems to come back stronger the next race. So if it works, do it.

I think he just got tired...they all did. Tomac is an animal with conditioning. Not everyone can be like that. In the genes right?
kiwifan wrote:
so you are saying when asked a question by media, he should lie and say no issues? I dont get why you think its a problem...
so you are saying when asked a question by media, he should lie and say no issues? I dont get why you think its a problem that he had an issue with mapping (like quite a few other riders did). Would you rather he wasnt interviewed at all?
No, not saying that. But do you really think that if Honda had his mapping better he would have beaten Eli and Webb?

I don't.
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KX500 6/2/2020 7:29am
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Item # 347 on the list of things that never happened:

Honda saying - You mean our race bikes should perform well at All Elevations? Hmm, we never thought of that!

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TheGetFresh 6/2/2020 7:45am
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TheGetFresh wrote:
Anyone else notice Kenny’s voice sounds really high pitched when he’s having a bad night?
kiwifan wrote:
Nope, but I guess you think things like that when it is not your favourite rider
That’s the thing, I really like Roczen. pre-pandemic he was calm on the track and spoke slowly after races. now he’s back to holding his breathe during every sentence.

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TheGetFresh wrote:
Anyone else notice Kenny’s voice sounds really high pitched when he’s having a bad night?
kiwifan wrote:
Nope, but I guess you think things like that when it is not your favourite rider
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That’s the thing, I really like Roczen. pre-pandemic he was calm on the track and spoke slowly after races. now he’s back to holding his breathe...
That’s the thing, I really like Roczen. pre-pandemic he was calm on the track and spoke slowly after races. now he’s back to holding his breathe during every sentence.

He was exhausted and at elevation.
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Gordon Liddy wrote:
It looked like Webb was just faster than Roczen, and Tomac was just faster than Webb.
This. ^^^
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Johnny Lock 6/2/2020 9:48am
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EVery since last year he has had serious issues getting around webb and sometimes think it’s mental as he should of been able to run wick...
EVery since last year he has had serious issues getting around webb and sometimes think it’s mental as he should of been able to run wick it up and get around hem IMO!!
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Webb is no slouch and he was fast today
Yeah I liked his post race. Dude is a fighter.
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KX500 wrote:
Item # 347 on the list of things that never happened: Honda saying - You mean our race bikes should perform well at All Elevations? Hmm...
Item # 347 on the list of things that never happened:

Honda saying - You mean our race bikes should perform well at All Elevations? Hmm, we never thought of that!

Inexcusable for a pro race team (in any motor sport) with major manufacturer full support. There is a race in Denver every year which is 5000 feet. You mean they don't have that engine calibration saved on a laptop? I bet it would work better at 4000 feet than a sea level calibration. I have a Honda and it makes me wonder what details they forget to take care of on the production bikes.
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KX500 wrote:
Item # 347 on the list of things that never happened: Honda saying - You mean our race bikes should perform well at All Elevations? Hmm...
Item # 347 on the list of things that never happened:

Honda saying - You mean our race bikes should perform well at All Elevations? Hmm, we never thought of that!

wrc777 wrote:
Inexcusable for a pro race team (in any motor sport) with major manufacturer full support. There is a race in Denver every year which is 5000...
Inexcusable for a pro race team (in any motor sport) with major manufacturer full support. There is a race in Denver every year which is 5000 feet. You mean they don't have that engine calibration saved on a laptop? I bet it would work better at 4000 feet than a sea level calibration. I have a Honda and it makes me wonder what details they forget to take care of on the production bikes.
Do you really think honda couldnt tune a bike for altitude?
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KX500 wrote:
Item # 347 on the list of things that never happened: Honda saying - You mean our race bikes should perform well at All Elevations? Hmm...
Item # 347 on the list of things that never happened:

Honda saying - You mean our race bikes should perform well at All Elevations? Hmm, we never thought of that!

wrc777 wrote:
Inexcusable for a pro race team (in any motor sport) with major manufacturer full support. There is a race in Denver every year which is 5000...
Inexcusable for a pro race team (in any motor sport) with major manufacturer full support. There is a race in Denver every year which is 5000 feet. You mean they don't have that engine calibration saved on a laptop? I bet it would work better at 4000 feet than a sea level calibration. I have a Honda and it makes me wonder what details they forget to take care of on the production bikes.
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Do you really think honda couldnt tune a bike for altitude?
No I am sure they can. Either they just didn’t bother or Roczen is full of it. Why would he say it? Even if true I don’t think I would have said it.
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No I am sure they can. Either they just didn’t bother or Roczen is full of it. Why would he say it? Even if true I...
No I am sure they can. Either they just didn’t bother or Roczen is full of it. Why would he say it? Even if true I don’t think I would have said it.
No way his team overlooked that, but good job throwing them under the bus, Roczstar!
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I think other than the fuel boiling, it's all excuses. The track was slippery and dangerous. I think they were going as fast as they can without falling down. Tomac was fastest, Webb was second fastest and Roczen was third. No shame in it, just the facts. I think riders were having issues with altitude and heat. They all raced on the same track and Tomac was the best. We will see what happens tommorow but I wouldn't be surprised if we have a repeat. No way to predict for sure. That's why they race.
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Shaned9326 6/2/2020 1:50pm
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Tomac has them covered and can wick it up when needed to pass Kenny or Cooper!!
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Gordon Liddy wrote:
It looked like Webb was just faster than Roczen, and Tomac was just faster than Webb.
Roczen got gassed
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fullfloater 6/2/2020 2:41pm
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Man it must have pissed him off to be that close to Webb and not be able to pass him. He keeps his emotions in check better than the past -- could have stuffed him but better to be back healthy and try to beat him with a better track. Great ride by Tomac.

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fullfloater wrote:
Man it must have pissed him off to be that close to Webb and not be able to pass him. He keeps his emotions in check...
Man it must have pissed him off to be that close to Webb and not be able to pass him. He keeps his emotions in check better than the past -- could have stuffed him but better to be back healthy and try to beat him with a better track. Great ride by Tomac.

That GoPro shows that Webb can cut the corners like he’s riding a two stroke. That takes a lot of energy.

Major props.

Kenny’s problem isn’t bike setup. Or maybe it is. Not bad for third overall.
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fullfloater 6/2/2020 3:40pm
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That GoPro shows that Webb can cut the corners like he’s riding a two stroke. That takes a lot of energy. Major props. Kenny’s problem isn’t...
That GoPro shows that Webb can cut the corners like he’s riding a two stroke. That takes a lot of energy.

Major props.

Kenny’s problem isn’t bike setup. Or maybe it is. Not bad for third overall.
Agreed. Webb certainly gets out of corners quick. Impressed.
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wrc777 6/2/2020 4:16pm
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Looks like he was getting out motored everywhere.
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Johnny Lock wrote:
That GoPro shows that Webb can cut the corners like he’s riding a two stroke. That takes a lot of energy. Major props. Kenny’s problem isn’t...
That GoPro shows that Webb can cut the corners like he’s riding a two stroke. That takes a lot of energy.

Major props.

Kenny’s problem isn’t bike setup. Or maybe it is. Not bad for third overall.
fullfloater wrote:
Agreed. Webb certainly gets out of corners quick. Impressed.
Webb is 3 feet tall and weighs 110 pounds
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Johnny Lock wrote:
That GoPro shows that Webb can cut the corners like he’s riding a two stroke. That takes a lot of energy. Major props. Kenny’s problem isn’t...
That GoPro shows that Webb can cut the corners like he’s riding a two stroke. That takes a lot of energy.

Major props.

Kenny’s problem isn’t bike setup. Or maybe it is. Not bad for third overall.
fullfloater wrote:
Agreed. Webb certainly gets out of corners quick. Impressed.
kkawboy14 wrote:
Webb is 3 feet tall and weighs 110 pounds
Come on now, Webb is at least 3 1/2 feet tall.
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Roczen is a little jockey boy as well. Tomac is bigger but not by much.
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fullfloater wrote:
Agreed. Webb certainly gets out of corners quick. Impressed.
kkawboy14 wrote:
Webb is 3 feet tall and weighs 110 pounds
OLDMOTO wrote:
Come on now, Webb is at least 3 1/2 feet tall.
😂 I was exaggerating I’m sorry
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kiwifan 6/2/2020 11:45pm
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kpiper wrote:
Kenny always comes up with an excuse. Not bashing him but he just does. Maybe it works for him mentally though as he always seems to...
Kenny always comes up with an excuse. Not bashing him but he just does. Maybe it works for him mentally though as he always seems to come back stronger the next race. So if it works, do it.

I think he just got tired...they all did. Tomac is an animal with conditioning. Not everyone can be like that. In the genes right?
kiwifan wrote:
so you are saying when asked a question by media, he should lie and say no issues? I dont get why you think its a problem...
so you are saying when asked a question by media, he should lie and say no issues? I dont get why you think its a problem that he had an issue with mapping (like quite a few other riders did). Would you rather he wasnt interviewed at all?
kpiper wrote:
No, not saying that. But do you really think that if Honda had his mapping better he would have beaten Eli and Webb?

I don't.
I have no idea if the mapping would of made a difference, but you thought it was an 'excuse'
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fullfloater wrote:
Agreed. Webb certainly gets out of corners quick. Impressed.
kkawboy14 wrote:
Webb is 3 feet tall and weighs 110 pounds
OLDMOTO wrote:
Come on now, Webb is at least 3 1/2 feet tall.
Have always thought they should have a minimum weight rule. Drawf like riders have a definite advantage
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