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ts.p311 4/18/2020 2:33pm
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JM485 wrote:
We're an order of magnitude under their best case estimates here in CA and this is absolutely not killing people at "an alarming rate". We can...
We're an order of magnitude under their best case estimates here in CA and this is absolutely not killing people at "an alarming rate". We can argue all day about what should be considered "alarming", but the bottom line is the vast majority of hospitals are ghost towns right now and this has not at all developed into what was initially feared. Eventually this is going to have to run its course and a relaxing of restrictions is the only thing that makes sense to do at this point, and if the powers that be just keep tightening the screw then their true colors are going to show pretty quickly. I understand the overreaction based on the flawed spread models that first came out, but after a period of time real life data is going to need to guide us in the proper direction, not just experimental theory. We've proven that the measures we've taken have been overly effective, it's time to strike a balance reopening outdoor recreation areas should be step #1.
Hospitals are ghost towns because quarantine and social distancing is working. It's supposed to feel like we did it all for nothing, that means it worked. Too bad that some people are just too simple minded to get that through their head.
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Zerofear66 4/18/2020 2:41pm
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This...

It’s not even worth arguing over at this point, the numbers and the actions taken recently simply do not add up.
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JM485 4/18/2020 3:27pm
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JM485 wrote:
We're an order of magnitude under their best case estimates here in CA and this is absolutely not killing people at "an alarming rate". We can...
We're an order of magnitude under their best case estimates here in CA and this is absolutely not killing people at "an alarming rate". We can argue all day about what should be considered "alarming", but the bottom line is the vast majority of hospitals are ghost towns right now and this has not at all developed into what was initially feared. Eventually this is going to have to run its course and a relaxing of restrictions is the only thing that makes sense to do at this point, and if the powers that be just keep tightening the screw then their true colors are going to show pretty quickly. I understand the overreaction based on the flawed spread models that first came out, but after a period of time real life data is going to need to guide us in the proper direction, not just experimental theory. We've proven that the measures we've taken have been overly effective, it's time to strike a balance reopening outdoor recreation areas should be step #1.
ts.p311 wrote:
Hospitals are ghost towns because quarantine and social distancing is working. It's supposed to feel like we did it all for nothing, that means it worked...
Hospitals are ghost towns because quarantine and social distancing is working. It's supposed to feel like we did it all for nothing, that means it worked. Too bad that some people are just too simple minded to get that through their head.
You’re not reading (or not comprehending) what I’m saying. We can’t keep this up forever, eventually a balance needs to be struck and it’s clear we’ve overshot the mark.

What’s your plan for the future here, just keep this up for a year or more until a vaccine comes out? Does that really seem reasonable or feasible to implement to you? All I’m saying is we need to come to a common sense balance that makes sense based on the numbers we’re seeing. Right now we’re seeing extremely low numbers and that would lead a rational person to conclude that we can relax restrictions a bit. That’s all I’m saying, I can’t even begin to understand what it controversial about that or how anyone can disagree, I’m not saying go full bore and open everything up but saying people cannot ride their motorcycles or hit the skatepark is bullshit plain and simple.
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NV825 4/18/2020 3:27pm
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JM485 wrote:
We're an order of magnitude under their best case estimates here in CA and this is absolutely not killing people at "an alarming rate". We can...
We're an order of magnitude under their best case estimates here in CA and this is absolutely not killing people at "an alarming rate". We can argue all day about what should be considered "alarming", but the bottom line is the vast majority of hospitals are ghost towns right now and this has not at all developed into what was initially feared. Eventually this is going to have to run its course and a relaxing of restrictions is the only thing that makes sense to do at this point, and if the powers that be just keep tightening the screw then their true colors are going to show pretty quickly. I understand the overreaction based on the flawed spread models that first came out, but after a period of time real life data is going to need to guide us in the proper direction, not just experimental theory. We've proven that the measures we've taken have been overly effective, it's time to strike a balance reopening outdoor recreation areas should be step #1.
ts.p311 wrote:
Hospitals are ghost towns because quarantine and social distancing is working. It's supposed to feel like we did it all for nothing, that means it worked...
Hospitals are ghost towns because quarantine and social distancing is working. It's supposed to feel like we did it all for nothing, that means it worked. Too bad that some people are just too simple minded to get that through their head.
They’re ghost towns because people are afraid to go to the hospital for anything because of fear of catching it. Even if they have the virus, unless they’re at deaths door there’s nothing really they can do. My wife is an ICU nurse and it’s been very quite each night she has worked the past month. Not everywhere in this nation is NYC.
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Zerofear66 4/18/2020 3:34pm
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JM485 wrote:
We're an order of magnitude under their best case estimates here in CA and this is absolutely not killing people at "an alarming rate". We can...
We're an order of magnitude under their best case estimates here in CA and this is absolutely not killing people at "an alarming rate". We can argue all day about what should be considered "alarming", but the bottom line is the vast majority of hospitals are ghost towns right now and this has not at all developed into what was initially feared. Eventually this is going to have to run its course and a relaxing of restrictions is the only thing that makes sense to do at this point, and if the powers that be just keep tightening the screw then their true colors are going to show pretty quickly. I understand the overreaction based on the flawed spread models that first came out, but after a period of time real life data is going to need to guide us in the proper direction, not just experimental theory. We've proven that the measures we've taken have been overly effective, it's time to strike a balance reopening outdoor recreation areas should be step #1.
ts.p311 wrote:
Hospitals are ghost towns because quarantine and social distancing is working. It's supposed to feel like we did it all for nothing, that means it worked...
Hospitals are ghost towns because quarantine and social distancing is working. It's supposed to feel like we did it all for nothing, that means it worked. Too bad that some people are just too simple minded to get that through their head.
NV825 wrote:
They’re ghost towns because people are afraid to go to the hospital for anything because of fear of catching it. Even if they have the virus...
They’re ghost towns because people are afraid to go to the hospital for anything because of fear of catching it. Even if they have the virus, unless they’re at deaths door there’s nothing really they can do. My wife is an ICU nurse and it’s been very quite each night she has worked the past month. Not everywhere in this nation is NYC.
My ER has been the same.
No surge
Quiet.
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Zachintosh 4/18/2020 4:07pm
4/18/2020 4:07pm Edited Date/Time 4/18/2020 4:07pm
5,600 Americans died of Covid-19 in the past 24 hours.

It’s not fake news. It’s not a deep state conspiracy. It’s not political. This is still a serious problem.
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sandtrack315 4/18/2020 4:16pm
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Zachintosh wrote:
5,600 Americans died of Covid-19 in the past 24 hours. It’s not fake news. It’s not a deep state conspiracy. It’s not political. This is still...
5,600 Americans died of Covid-19 in the past 24 hours.

It’s not fake news. It’s not a deep state conspiracy. It’s not political. This is still a serious problem.
I agree but I don’t see the problem with riding. Should we all stop driving cars? Running? Eating salty foods? I never crashed last season and put 50 hours on my bike. I can go cruise around and have some fun and have zero risk of spreading or catching covid.

I took the conversation regarding riding versus not seriously and, particularly given that we appear to have not overloaded the hospitals due to social distancing, the small number of riders going to the ER is acceptable.
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Zerofear66 4/18/2020 4:27pm
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Zachintosh wrote:
5,600 Americans died of Covid-19 in the past 24 hours. It’s not fake news. It’s not a deep state conspiracy. It’s not political. This is still...
5,600 Americans died of Covid-19 in the past 24 hours.

It’s not fake news. It’s not a deep state conspiracy. It’s not political. This is still a serious problem.
Yep
60,000
Died of influenza in 2018.
More will die of Covid before this is over.
More people will die next flu season...
And the year after
And the year after
And...
And..
And....
No one gives ANY phucks about the THOUSANDS of AMERICANS who die every single day of every single month of every single year... year after year after year of smoking related diseases, obesity related diseases, drug related diseases etc etc etc.

Let's keep this in perspective.
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JustMX 4/18/2020 4:40pm
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Zachintosh wrote:
5,600 Americans died of Covid-19 in the past 24 hours. It’s not fake news. It’s not a deep state conspiracy. It’s not political. This is still...
5,600 Americans died of Covid-19 in the past 24 hours.

It’s not fake news. It’s not a deep state conspiracy. It’s not political. This is still a serious problem.
Zerofear66 wrote:
Yep 60,000 Died of influenza in 2018. More will die of Covid before this is over. More people will die next flu season... And the year...
Yep
60,000
Died of influenza in 2018.
More will die of Covid before this is over.
More people will die next flu season...
And the year after
And the year after
And...
And..
And....
No one gives ANY phucks about the THOUSANDS of AMERICANS who die every single day of every single month of every single year... year after year after year of smoking related diseases, obesity related diseases, drug related diseases etc etc etc.

Let's keep this in perspective.
And please don't forget all the opioid and other drug OD deaths started by your friendly pharmacy companies.
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sandtrack315 4/18/2020 4:56pm
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Zachintosh wrote:
5,600 Americans died of Covid-19 in the past 24 hours. It’s not fake news. It’s not a deep state conspiracy. It’s not political. This is still...
5,600 Americans died of Covid-19 in the past 24 hours.

It’s not fake news. It’s not a deep state conspiracy. It’s not political. This is still a serious problem.
Zerofear66 wrote:
Yep 60,000 Died of influenza in 2018. More will die of Covid before this is over. More people will die next flu season... And the year...
Yep
60,000
Died of influenza in 2018.
More will die of Covid before this is over.
More people will die next flu season...
And the year after
And the year after
And...
And..
And....
No one gives ANY phucks about the THOUSANDS of AMERICANS who die every single day of every single month of every single year... year after year after year of smoking related diseases, obesity related diseases, drug related diseases etc etc etc.

Let's keep this in perspective.
Did you make the same argument on 9/11? No, because it’s gross. Stop.
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Zerofear66 4/18/2020 4:59pm
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Zachintosh wrote:
5,600 Americans died of Covid-19 in the past 24 hours. It’s not fake news. It’s not a deep state conspiracy. It’s not political. This is still...
5,600 Americans died of Covid-19 in the past 24 hours.

It’s not fake news. It’s not a deep state conspiracy. It’s not political. This is still a serious problem.
Zerofear66 wrote:
Yep 60,000 Died of influenza in 2018. More will die of Covid before this is over. More people will die next flu season... And the year...
Yep
60,000
Died of influenza in 2018.
More will die of Covid before this is over.
More people will die next flu season...
And the year after
And the year after
And...
And..
And....
No one gives ANY phucks about the THOUSANDS of AMERICANS who die every single day of every single month of every single year... year after year after year of smoking related diseases, obesity related diseases, drug related diseases etc etc etc.

Let's keep this in perspective.
JustMX wrote:
And please don't forget all the opioid and other drug OD deaths started by your friendly pharmacy companies.
Yep
I was reading that the number one co morbidity with Covid leading to death is...

Wait for it..



Obesity


Imagine that 🤔

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Zerofear66 4/18/2020 4:59pm
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Zachintosh wrote:
5,600 Americans died of Covid-19 in the past 24 hours. It’s not fake news. It’s not a deep state conspiracy. It’s not political. This is still...
5,600 Americans died of Covid-19 in the past 24 hours.

It’s not fake news. It’s not a deep state conspiracy. It’s not political. This is still a serious problem.
Zerofear66 wrote:
Yep 60,000 Died of influenza in 2018. More will die of Covid before this is over. More people will die next flu season... And the year...
Yep
60,000
Died of influenza in 2018.
More will die of Covid before this is over.
More people will die next flu season...
And the year after
And the year after
And...
And..
And....
No one gives ANY phucks about the THOUSANDS of AMERICANS who die every single day of every single month of every single year... year after year after year of smoking related diseases, obesity related diseases, drug related diseases etc etc etc.

Let's keep this in perspective.
sandtrack315 wrote:
Did you make the same argument on 9/11? No, because it’s gross. Stop.
Facts don't care about your feelings.

Is that gross?
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dimetime 4/18/2020 5:13pm
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Zerofear66 wrote:
That's a pretty broad stroke.
A broad, ignorant one at best.
I'm fairly certain most folks on here are far from irresponsible.
Motoxdoc wrote:
Yes, that was a broad stroke...that comes more from 45 years of experience than “ignorance”. I [i]am[/i] one of those “far from irresponsible folks” you refer...
Yes, that was a broad stroke...that comes more from 45 years of experience than “ignorance”. I am one of those “far from irresponsible folks” you refer to.
Your appeal to authority is cute but your opinion is just that opinion and ypur argument is a fallacy.

There are virologist and epidemiologists who think your opinion is crap as well.

There is no estsblished evidence at all for what you claim either. We won't know jack shit statistically for years about this mess, possibly never because of the bullshit everyone is pulling with the numbers. Not to mention the fucking "models" were so wrong it borders on criminal.

I'm also tired of doctors condescending to others as though they are the only arbitors of information. We all understand how to access information and how to understand it. I don't need your speculation.

I hate to break it to you but y'all are just as guilty of bias as anyone and education is not a replacement for or an indicator of wisdom.

Lastly, the medical community is guilty of more deaths per year than the flu and Wuhan combined so spare me your arrogance. You all kill a lot of people every year from malpractice and still act like your shit don't stink, so save your pomposity for someone else.
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Zerofear66 wrote:
Yep 60,000 Died of influenza in 2018. More will die of Covid before this is over. More people will die next flu season... And the year...
Yep
60,000
Died of influenza in 2018.
More will die of Covid before this is over.
More people will die next flu season...
And the year after
And the year after
And...
And..
And....
No one gives ANY phucks about the THOUSANDS of AMERICANS who die every single day of every single month of every single year... year after year after year of smoking related diseases, obesity related diseases, drug related diseases etc etc etc.

Let's keep this in perspective.
Such a silly argument. Yeah, I’m going to get lung cancer because I used a gas pump after a smoker!
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seth505 4/18/2020 6:47pm
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Zachintosh wrote:
5,600 Americans died of Covid-19 in the past 24 hours. It’s not fake news. It’s not a deep state conspiracy. It’s not political. This is still...
5,600 Americans died of Covid-19 in the past 24 hours.

It’s not fake news. It’s not a deep state conspiracy. It’s not political. This is still a serious problem.
Zerofear66 wrote:
Yep 60,000 Died of influenza in 2018. More will die of Covid before this is over. More people will die next flu season... And the year...
Yep
60,000
Died of influenza in 2018.
More will die of Covid before this is over.
More people will die next flu season...
And the year after
And the year after
And...
And..
And....
No one gives ANY phucks about the THOUSANDS of AMERICANS who die every single day of every single month of every single year... year after year after year of smoking related diseases, obesity related diseases, drug related diseases etc etc etc.

Let's keep this in perspective.
People die of smoking or obesity due to their own life decisions, how does that have anything to do with the discussion of contagious disease? Also, what the fuck is a phuck?
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Zerofear66 4/18/2020 7:05pm
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Zachintosh wrote:
5,600 Americans died of Covid-19 in the past 24 hours. It’s not fake news. It’s not a deep state conspiracy. It’s not political. This is still...
5,600 Americans died of Covid-19 in the past 24 hours.

It’s not fake news. It’s not a deep state conspiracy. It’s not political. This is still a serious problem.
Zerofear66 wrote:
Yep 60,000 Died of influenza in 2018. More will die of Covid before this is over. More people will die next flu season... And the year...
Yep
60,000
Died of influenza in 2018.
More will die of Covid before this is over.
More people will die next flu season...
And the year after
And the year after
And...
And..
And....
No one gives ANY phucks about the THOUSANDS of AMERICANS who die every single day of every single month of every single year... year after year after year of smoking related diseases, obesity related diseases, drug related diseases etc etc etc.

Let's keep this in perspective.
seth505 wrote:
People die of smoking or obesity due to their own life decisions, how does that have anything to do with the discussion of contagious disease? Also...
People die of smoking or obesity due to their own life decisions, how does that have anything to do with the discussion of contagious disease? Also, what the fuck is a phuck?
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-MAVERICK- 4/18/2020 7:06pm
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seth505 wrote:
People die of smoking or obesity due to their own life decisions, how does that have anything to do with the discussion of contagious disease? Also...
People die of smoking or obesity due to their own life decisions, how does that have anything to do with the discussion of contagious disease? Also, what the fuck is a phuck?
Phuck?

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gharmon 4/18/2020 7:21pm
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ts.p311 wrote:
Hospitals are ghost towns because quarantine and social distancing is working. It's supposed to feel like we did it all for nothing, that means it worked...
Hospitals are ghost towns because quarantine and social distancing is working. It's supposed to feel like we did it all for nothing, that means it worked. Too bad that some people are just too simple minded to get that through their head.
NV825 wrote:
They’re ghost towns because people are afraid to go to the hospital for anything because of fear of catching it. Even if they have the virus...
They’re ghost towns because people are afraid to go to the hospital for anything because of fear of catching it. Even if they have the virus, unless they’re at deaths door there’s nothing really they can do. My wife is an ICU nurse and it’s been very quite each night she has worked the past month. Not everywhere in this nation is NYC.
Zerofear66 wrote:
My ER has been the same.
No surge
Quiet.
Im an ER nurse. Doc you know damn well you cannot go around opening using the "Q" word, nor the "S" one. Actually, this is the only time in my 10 years that it is okay to use those words.
We are staffed for about 250'ish visits a day. We down to less than a 100 everyday now. 70-80 seems about normal. Damn near all of them are Covid rule-out's. Im sick of ppe's!!
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Zerofear66 4/18/2020 7:33pm
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NV825 wrote:
They’re ghost towns because people are afraid to go to the hospital for anything because of fear of catching it. Even if they have the virus...
They’re ghost towns because people are afraid to go to the hospital for anything because of fear of catching it. Even if they have the virus, unless they’re at deaths door there’s nothing really they can do. My wife is an ICU nurse and it’s been very quite each night she has worked the past month. Not everywhere in this nation is NYC.
Zerofear66 wrote:
My ER has been the same.
No surge
Quiet.
gharmon wrote:
Im an ER nurse. Doc you know damn well you cannot go around opening using the "Q" word, nor the "S" one. Actually, this is the...
Im an ER nurse. Doc you know damn well you cannot go around opening using the "Q" word, nor the "S" one. Actually, this is the only time in my 10 years that it is okay to use those words.
We are staffed for about 250'ish visits a day. We down to less than a 100 everyday now. 70-80 seems about normal. Damn near all of them are Covid rule-out's. Im sick of ppe's!!
Well now since we're completely off topic lol.
I tested the SLOW and QUIET phenomenon a few times recently.
15 minutes before the change shift I said out loud ...Boy it sure would suck to get a traumatic full arrest right now ..15 minutes before the end of shift.
Only my friends understood my twisted sense of ER humor. Needless to say... We never got that call.

Yep..
I'm completely sick and tired of my paranoid hysterical neighbors coming to me asking me if I can give them an N95 mask....

A. STOP watching the news.
B. STOP watching the news.
C. Both A and B.

😃
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Zerofear66 4/18/2020 7:37pm
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seth505 wrote:
People die of smoking or obesity due to their own life decisions, how does that have anything to do with the discussion of contagious disease? Also...
People die of smoking or obesity due to their own life decisions, how does that have anything to do with the discussion of contagious disease? Also, what the fuck is a phuck?
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Phuck?
Phuck?

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This is not meant for an argument for either side mainly cause I'm bored with all the same points and arguments..

But we are at a strange time in society when it's seen as a bad thing that hospitals are quiet haha..
In it's truest sense shouldn't that be a good thing?

(Yes of course I understand that people losing their jobs is bad)
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Racerx930 4/18/2020 8:32pm
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The answer has to be somewhere in the middle. I've yet to see any news stories of essential workers dropping like flies. Ultimately I feel like people need to be responsible for themselves. I completely understand anyone who decides to lock themselves in their house, it's a free country.

As for myself? I'm watering, we're open...

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ts.p311 4/18/2020 8:47pm
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JM485 wrote:
We're an order of magnitude under their best case estimates here in CA and this is absolutely not killing people at "an alarming rate". We can...
We're an order of magnitude under their best case estimates here in CA and this is absolutely not killing people at "an alarming rate". We can argue all day about what should be considered "alarming", but the bottom line is the vast majority of hospitals are ghost towns right now and this has not at all developed into what was initially feared. Eventually this is going to have to run its course and a relaxing of restrictions is the only thing that makes sense to do at this point, and if the powers that be just keep tightening the screw then their true colors are going to show pretty quickly. I understand the overreaction based on the flawed spread models that first came out, but after a period of time real life data is going to need to guide us in the proper direction, not just experimental theory. We've proven that the measures we've taken have been overly effective, it's time to strike a balance reopening outdoor recreation areas should be step #1.
ts.p311 wrote:
Hospitals are ghost towns because quarantine and social distancing is working. It's supposed to feel like we did it all for nothing, that means it worked...
Hospitals are ghost towns because quarantine and social distancing is working. It's supposed to feel like we did it all for nothing, that means it worked. Too bad that some people are just too simple minded to get that through their head.
JM485 wrote:
You’re not reading (or not comprehending) what I’m saying. We can’t keep this up forever, eventually a balance needs to be struck and it’s clear we’ve...
You’re not reading (or not comprehending) what I’m saying. We can’t keep this up forever, eventually a balance needs to be struck and it’s clear we’ve overshot the mark.

What’s your plan for the future here, just keep this up for a year or more until a vaccine comes out? Does that really seem reasonable or feasible to implement to you? All I’m saying is we need to come to a common sense balance that makes sense based on the numbers we’re seeing. Right now we’re seeing extremely low numbers and that would lead a rational person to conclude that we can relax restrictions a bit. That’s all I’m saying, I can’t even begin to understand what it controversial about that or how anyone can disagree, I’m not saying go full bore and open everything up but saying people cannot ride their motorcycles or hit the skatepark is bullshit plain and simple.
You know, not that it really matters what I think, but you're right. I'm no expert, I'd just rather we be cautious than regretful. It's just a really delicate balance that'd I hate to actually being in charge of. My hats off to the governor's dealing with this, gotta unimaginably stressful.
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Underground 4/18/2020 8:57pm
4/18/2020 8:57pm
And what if you're wrong and opening up kicks off another outbreak and run of fresh cases and deaths? Then what? Close up shop again for another couple of months? You only need one covid carrier on plane to infect a whole bunch. Then those infect another larger number and so on. Take your medicine and get over it once and for all.
I guarantee the USA will see a jump in new cases with all those getting out and about now because it's their right to.
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JM485 4/18/2020 9:39pm
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You know, not that it really matters what I think, but you're right. I'm no expert, I'd just rather we be cautious than regretful. It's just...
You know, not that it really matters what I think, but you're right. I'm no expert, I'd just rather we be cautious than regretful. It's just a really delicate balance that'd I hate to actually being in charge of. My hats off to the governor's dealing with this, gotta unimaginably stressful.
I agree 100%, all of them as well as our president have a very fine line to walk and I don’t envy any of them. It’s a damned if you do damned if you don’t scenario, we need to find the right balance of consistent, manageable exposure that provides enough economic stimulation that we’re not killing even more people due to poverty and suicide, but doesn’t overwhelm the healthcare system. You want to talk about a horrible job, that’s got to take the cake right now.
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bvm111 4/18/2020 10:14pm
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I am in a position to listen in to the governors update briefing daily here in southern Nevada which is Clark county and includes Vegas, yesterday they reported all hospitals are full of PPE, have 100% capacity for any medical emergencies... average wait time at ERs is less than a minute!!!!!

The state of Nevada has over 850 national guard soldiers on federal orders after receiving 35 million in federal funding in order to assist in the “crisis.” I currently have ten soldiers at the Dept Emergency Management warehouse That supplies the southhern nevada health district... it has 5 pallets in it of masks and PPE that has not been distributed because there isn’t a need or request from the hospitals.... only fire police and EMT... the soldiers play cards all day sitting on their butts!

I do have 200 soldiers at the homeless center that was built with three large tents, full medical team, full decontamination showers including delicing with clean clothes. The soldiers are providing “security” and general labor in order to hand out linens, decon showers and surfaces, check temperatures all for the 10 homeless with one that has tested positive for SARS COV-2... which is sad but he is chillin in his bunk and pretty much asymptomatic.

I am not sure why I typed all this out or if it matters at all to anyone ....all I know is something just doesn’t sit well with me on this as I have an inherent distrust of authority. Also there is just something about this Fauci guy I don’t like And I don’t believe... we went from 2.5mil Projected deaths to 60000 in the span of 3 weeks? Really?!?

I don’t Know ... eff it I’m going riding tomorrow!
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Motoxdoc 4/18/2020 10:20pm
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We're an order of magnitude under their best case estimates here in CA and this is absolutely not killing people at "an alarming rate". We can...
We're an order of magnitude under their best case estimates here in CA and this is absolutely not killing people at "an alarming rate". We can argue all day about what should be considered "alarming", but the bottom line is the vast majority of hospitals are ghost towns right now and this has not at all developed into what was initially feared. Eventually this is going to have to run its course and a relaxing of restrictions is the only thing that makes sense to do at this point, and if the powers that be just keep tightening the screw then their true colors are going to show pretty quickly. I understand the overreaction based on the flawed spread models that first came out, but after a period of time real life data is going to need to guide us in the proper direction, not just experimental theory. We've proven that the measures we've taken have been overly effective, it's time to strike a balance reopening outdoor recreation areas should be step #1.
What does "overly effective" mean?
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blockhead17 4/18/2020 11:24pm
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I guess we can see why USA is the most infected country in the world..
Stay home you Morans, let’s get through this shit and back to normal.
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FlaNard 4/18/2020 11:25pm
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Signed!
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CASH476 4/19/2020 1:09am
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And what if you're wrong and opening up kicks off another outbreak and run of fresh cases and deaths? Then what? Close up shop again for...
And what if you're wrong and opening up kicks off another outbreak and run of fresh cases and deaths? Then what? Close up shop again for another couple of months? You only need one covid carrier on plane to infect a whole bunch. Then those infect another larger number and so on. Take your medicine and get over it once and for all.
I guarantee the USA will see a jump in new cases with all those getting out and about now because it's their right to.

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