Alessi '03 Claimed Super Mini FOUND!!!

pcdoc wrote:

flarider, I respect your opinion on this one, and I don't know Terry at all...nor the agreement on his trophy for his work invested. I was...

flarider, I respect your opinion on this one, and I don't know Terry at all...nor the agreement on his trophy for his work invested. I was really refering to the irony of a rider (any rider) claiming a guys bike and losing the claim, then getting his bike protested and losing his OWN claim...just sayin
Bottom line...one family was cheating, one was not.

pcdoc wrote:

I think you're still missing my point...Alessi LOST...his bike was ILLEGAL. As you point out, the ones that got screwed were the Chatfields (they had to...

I think you're still missing my point...Alessi LOST...his bike was ILLEGAL. As you point out, the ones that got screwed were the Chatfields (they had to completely re-assemble their LEGAL bike. I also know the rules. The reason its a cash only process, is to discourage frivolous protest....oh, and cheating.

Oldskool wrote:

Whether or not this bike was legal was never the question because that question was not the issue. This bike was claimed. Read the claiming rule...

Whether or not this bike was legal was never the question because that question was not the issue. This bike was claimed.

Read the claiming rule in the AMA rulebook. In amateur MX, a bike can be claimed for MSRP + 30%. The owner MUST let the bike go or it's mandatory disqualification from the event and a 1 year suspension from AMA races.

I understand that Varner's time in this bike was worth over $10K + the parts and the core bike. So, MSRP + 30% on an '03 CR85was STEALING the bike from Alessi.

I would rather not say what I paid for the bike. I know it's worth at least what I paid for it to me or I would not have bought it. I would be happy to sell it to the right person because I am not qualified to do it justice. If I can find the right person, I would make them a great deal. Otherwise, I respect what Varner was doing at the time and that he wanted this bike as his trophy enough that it will stay with me before it will go to someone who would not appreciate it. Of course my 13 year old son is absolutely itching for me to let him flog it.

I honestly don't know what the future is for this bike. It will be determined by who is interested in it. I know it's safe here with me for now. I would like to talk with Varner and Alessi before I do anything with it (and that includes even cleaning it up). However, I don't know either of them but would like to reach out to them if they would allow me to do so. I really don't know how to reach them. I have left a message at Varner Motorsports but Terry may either be too busy to check his voice mail or he may be over it by now. I just don't know until I hear from him. It's my belief that he should own this bike. That is where it belongs (IMO) but right now, I'm happy to have it.

flarider wrote:

The MSRP +30% is new, they changed that like 3 yrs ago At the time of this incident, it was Kelly Blue Book + something like...

The MSRP +30% is new, they changed that like 3 yrs ago
At the time of this incident, it was Kelly Blue Book + something like 10%

Way cheap

Oldskool wrote:

I found this thread again today when I heard that Todd Heemsbergen (mentioned in this thread) passed away this week. Todd was a great friend to...

I found this thread again today when I heard that Todd Heemsbergen (mentioned in this thread) passed away this week. Todd was a great friend to us and a great sponsor, as well. Godspeed "TH" Todd.

For anyone remotely interested, I still have the Alessi supermini. I kept it along with my son's last supermini as mementos to our time spent racing motocross.

The Alessi bike may not have much $$ value to the masses, but it's value to me is more than monetary. I think that the story behind it is interesting, funny and sad all wrapped together. Had Mike dominated the pro motocross scene like he did the amateurs, the bike would probably be worth more monetarily at this point.

Maybe when one of my grandchildren are old enough for a supermini, I'll freshen it up and we'll go racing with it. I think that it would be awesome for a Loretta's qualifier some year in the future to race this bike to another Loretta's championship! Hey, who knows, this bike has a story that may not be over quite yet!

Pics of the Alessi bike

avidchimp wrote:

This thread is useless without current pics of said bike. We are all locked up, Man. Give us the goods. Feed the beast. hahaha

Helda3 wrote:

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avidchimp wrote:

This thread is useless without current pics of said bike. We are all locked up, Man. Give us the goods. Feed the beast. hahaha

Oldskool wrote:

I found this thread again today when I heard that Todd Heemsbergen (mentioned in this thread) passed away this week. Todd was a great friend to...

I found this thread again today when I heard that Todd Heemsbergen (mentioned in this thread) passed away this week. Todd was a great friend to us and a great sponsor, as well. Godspeed "TH" Todd.

For anyone remotely interested, I still have the Alessi supermini. I kept it along with my son's last supermini as mementos to our time spent racing motocross.

The Alessi bike may not have much $$ value to the masses, but it's value to me is more than monetary. I think that the story behind it is interesting, funny and sad all wrapped together. Had Mike dominated the pro motocross scene like he did the amateurs, the bike would probably be worth more monetarily at this point.

Maybe when one of my grandchildren are old enough for a supermini, I'll freshen it up and we'll go racing with it. I think that it would be awesome for a Loretta's qualifier some year in the future to race this bike to another Loretta's championship! Hey, who knows, this bike has a story that may not be over quite yet!

Pics of the Alessi bike

Oldskool wrote:

I found this thread again today when I heard that Todd Heemsbergen (mentioned in this thread) passed away this week. Todd was a great friend to...

I found this thread again today when I heard that Todd Heemsbergen (mentioned in this thread) passed away this week. Todd was a great friend to us and a great sponsor, as well. Godspeed "TH" Todd.

For anyone remotely interested, I still have the Alessi supermini. I kept it along with my son's last supermini as mementos to our time spent racing motocross.

The Alessi bike may not have much $$ value to the masses, but it's value to me is more than monetary. I think that the story behind it is interesting, funny and sad all wrapped together. Had Mike dominated the pro motocross scene like he did the amateurs, the bike would probably be worth more monetarily at this point.

Maybe when one of my grandchildren are old enough for a supermini, I'll freshen it up and we'll go racing with it. I think that it would be awesome for a Loretta's qualifier some year in the future to race this bike to another Loretta's championship! Hey, who knows, this bike has a story that may not be over quite yet!

Pics of the Alessi bike

pcdoc wrote:

I think you're still missing my point...Alessi LOST...his bike was ILLEGAL. As you point out, the ones that got screwed were the Chatfields (they had to...

I think you're still missing my point...Alessi LOST...his bike was ILLEGAL. As you point out, the ones that got screwed were the Chatfields (they had to completely re-assemble their LEGAL bike. I also know the rules. The reason its a cash only process, is to discourage frivolous protest....oh, and cheating.

PFitzG38 wrote:

Are you SURE you know what you're talking about?? or do I have to read all these pages to see if you get corrected about illegal...

Are you SURE you know what you're talking about?? or do I have to read all these pages to see if you get corrected about illegal bike or not. Not trying to be a dick, just asking cause I'm not 100% sure myself

Oldskool wrote:

The Alessi bike that got claimed at Loretta's 9now my bike) was NOT illegal. The bike was claimed by the Chatfield's. Claiming a bike has NOTHING...

The Alessi bike that got claimed at Loretta's 9now my bike) was NOT illegal. The bike was claimed by the Chatfield's. Claiming a bike has NOTHING to do with whether or not the bike is illegal or not.

Jeff alessi wrote:

Whoever this pdoc guy is or was is a true dick. Go back all the way till page 2 he begins throwing out information about the...

Whoever this pdoc guy is or was is a true dick. Go back all the way till page 2 he begins throwing out information about the bike being illegal like it's proven fact and hasn't stopped spewing the lie after 5 pages of people saying it WAS legal, the guy continues to throw wrong information out that a bike can't be claimed unless it is found to be illegal is a totally incorrect statement, the bike was 100% legal (we were protested in every moto the year before that and the years before that) and it was claimed for 10% over market value, it was and probably is still to today one of the fastest built supermini engine at 28-29hp. People like pdoc have some nasty posts in here trying to regurgitate the lie page after page trying to get people to bite that haven't seen the same thing a page before being called out as a lie, why? What's so important to keep throwing out a lie about someone you don't know to try and make people think we are what you say? Gtfo here.

Oldskool wrote:

I found this thread again today when I heard that Todd Heemsbergen (mentioned in this thread) passed away this week. Todd was a great friend to...

I found this thread again today when I heard that Todd Heemsbergen (mentioned in this thread) passed away this week. Todd was a great friend to us and a great sponsor, as well. Godspeed "TH" Todd.

For anyone remotely interested, I still have the Alessi supermini. I kept it along with my son's last supermini as mementos to our time spent racing motocross.

The Alessi bike may not have much $$ value to the masses, but it's value to me is more than monetary. I think that the story behind it is interesting, funny and sad all wrapped together. Had Mike dominated the pro motocross scene like he did the amateurs, the bike would probably be worth more monetarily at this point.

Maybe when one of my grandchildren are old enough for a supermini, I'll freshen it up and we'll go racing with it. I think that it would be awesome for a Loretta's qualifier some year in the future to race this bike to another Loretta's championship! Hey, who knows, this bike has a story that may not be over quite yet!

Pics of the Alessi bike

PFitzG38 wrote:

Are you SURE you know what you're talking about?? or do I have to read all these pages to see if you get corrected about illegal...

Are you SURE you know what you're talking about?? or do I have to read all these pages to see if you get corrected about illegal bike or not. Not trying to be a dick, just asking cause I'm not 100% sure myself

Oldskool wrote:

The Alessi bike that got claimed at Loretta's 9now my bike) was NOT illegal. The bike was claimed by the Chatfield's. Claiming a bike has NOTHING...

The Alessi bike that got claimed at Loretta's 9now my bike) was NOT illegal. The bike was claimed by the Chatfield's. Claiming a bike has NOTHING to do with whether or not the bike is illegal or not.

Jeff alessi wrote:

Whoever this pdoc guy is or was is a true dick. Go back all the way till page 2 he begins throwing out information about the...

Whoever this pdoc guy is or was is a true dick. Go back all the way till page 2 he begins throwing out information about the bike being illegal like it's proven fact and hasn't stopped spewing the lie after 5 pages of people saying it WAS legal, the guy continues to throw wrong information out that a bike can't be claimed unless it is found to be illegal is a totally incorrect statement, the bike was 100% legal (we were protested in every moto the year before that and the years before that) and it was claimed for 10% over market value, it was and probably is still to today one of the fastest built supermini engine at 28-29hp. People like pdoc have some nasty posts in here trying to regurgitate the lie page after page trying to get people to bite that haven't seen the same thing a page before being called out as a lie, why? What's so important to keep throwing out a lie about someone you don't know to try and make people think we are what you say? Gtfo here.