Max Vohland 125 EMX

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YES!! Another American for the Euros to shit on. Enjoy!
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YES!! Another American for the Euros to shit on. Enjoy!
Yet, awkwardly they’ve taken in Covington as one of their own and no mention of his performance over the weekend.
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3/2/2020 4:48pm
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reading this topic makes you think it doesnt rain in america, there is no mud or wet dirt, even when the wet dirt race is in...
reading this topic makes you think it doesnt rain in america, there is no mud or wet dirt, even when the wet dirt race is in america the americans are not ready for it and track conditions are an excuse for pour results.......
they always show speed, but the results are usually sub-par to the hype put on them because of the wheather, the track, etc......
as much as we can talk about the wrongs about the american youth motox, the system is always the same and the results tend to keep the same direction, first was the top pros in the mxdn, then even in sx there was non americans getting the wins, now the hot young american stars are not that hot anymore.......and still no one in the powers are willing to discuss that system......
i only see a few asking for an 125 race just for the love of 2 strokes, as the love for a race without turns !!!!!! nothing to do with youth growing, or level of learning the crafts of racing.......
discussing the system of youth growing in american motocross has been proven late, to late already........take your time and blame the tracks and the wheather again.........
i have to agree on that.
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I'd be interested to hear what the goal is. Does he ultimately want to race Supercross full time? Is he hoping to chase a World Championship? Is this just for the experience? Because as has been mentioned before, he's not young by any means, his contemporary's are already racing Pro classes. He will age out of Europe before he gets to race pro over there at this rate.

More and more its starting to seem like its not realistic to do both SX and European MX at the top level. At some point a decision needs to be made and commit to one side or the other. The Supercross evolution means it takes such a different technique and specific training and bike set up compared to European Motocross. You cant just flip the switch anymore and win everywhere.

When was the last world champion that moved to the US and became a Supercross champion? If you're talking premier class championships it goes back to JMB i guess. Riders going the other way is even more rare, nobody comes to mind.
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I don’t really understand what he’s been doing though. He’s not long been on a 125 and he already can’t do another season of EMX125 after...
I don’t really understand what he’s been doing though. He’s not long been on a 125 and he already can’t do another season of EMX125 after this one because of his age. I know riders develop at different rates but he’s the same age as Jett Lawrence. He’s a million miles away from that level. Maybe he isn’t expected to reach that level, but the hype around him suggests that people are expecting big things. He seems a bit behind where he should be for his age for the expectation around him
Supermini is quite the 125-class of America. That is what you need to take in consideration. If Max wanted to compete against high level Amateurs he needed to stay in that Supermini class or move up to the 250B class, because if I'm not mistaken the schoolboy class isn't that deep.

But a Supermini is like you know a 100/110cc engine in a modded 85 frame, so often those kids move very fast from 65cc over the 85cc to the Supermini and then stay like forever on that Supermini. The American teams should give that schoolboy class/125 A class more dept and allure. Also when both Europe and America are using the 125 as talent development bike, then maybe Japanese brands will see the importance of the bike and create new ones.
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Pretty sure KTM knows what they're doing with Max. Also pretty sure that the Vohland clan (Tallon, Tyson and grandpa) know what they're doing with Max. There is no need to rush his mx/sx "career". They're all in it for the long haul, and it will likely pay off.
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3/2/2020 11:32pm
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I thought he had a positive first ever EMX race. The speed was there to get top 10 in both motos and that is no joke...
I thought he had a positive first ever EMX race. The speed was there to get top 10 in both motos and that is no joke for a first go on a really difficult track in a difficult class. Not amazing, but clearly positive.

I hope this also is opening some eyes in USA because i'm pretty sure Vohland would rank this weekend as the most gnarly race in his life thus far and the learning experience is huge. I don't think American based riders could do the EMX 250 class because SX has to take a bigger part of the focus in that stage of their development but EMX 125 should absolutely be doable. When you watch the EMX125 races from yesterday, it's kind of obvious why the riders doing this series are getting better and better every year in MX. One timed qualifying session where 40 out of about 80-100 riders make it to the races and 2x 25 minutes + 2 laps on tracks like that will develop speed, fitness and racecraft.

Will Vohland line up in Madrid at round 2 or not?
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I don’t really understand what he’s been doing though. He’s not long been on a 125 and he already can’t do another season of EMX125 after...
I don’t really understand what he’s been doing though. He’s not long been on a 125 and he already can’t do another season of EMX125 after this one because of his age. I know riders develop at different rates but he’s the same age as Jett Lawrence. He’s a million miles away from that level. Maybe he isn’t expected to reach that level, but the hype around him suggests that people are expecting big things. He seems a bit behind where he should be for his age for the expectation around him
Bringing up his age in every conversation is kind of pointless imo, especially comparing to Jett since his route has been pretty uncommon in it’s own...
Bringing up his age in every conversation is kind of pointless imo, especially comparing to Jett since his route has been pretty uncommon in it’s own way. Everyone has their way, some move through the amateur scene quicker and some take more time. The Vohland’s have obviously made the decision to not rush it, and we won’t see until a couple of years down the road how it works out.
Name on top guy in the recent history of the MX/SX, who didn't turn pro as soon, as he was eligible age wise
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3/2/2020 11:32pm Edited Date/Time 3/2/2020 11:47pm
haydos25 wrote:
I'd be interested to hear what the goal is. Does he ultimately want to race Supercross full time? Is he hoping to chase a World Championship...
I'd be interested to hear what the goal is. Does he ultimately want to race Supercross full time? Is he hoping to chase a World Championship? Is this just for the experience? Because as has been mentioned before, he's not young by any means, his contemporary's are already racing Pro classes. He will age out of Europe before he gets to race pro over there at this rate.

More and more its starting to seem like its not realistic to do both SX and European MX at the top level. At some point a decision needs to be made and commit to one side or the other. The Supercross evolution means it takes such a different technique and specific training and bike set up compared to European Motocross. You cant just flip the switch anymore and win everywhere.

When was the last world champion that moved to the US and became a Supercross champion? If you're talking premier class championships it goes back to JMB i guess. Riders going the other way is even more rare, nobody comes to mind.
According to an interview he gave over the weekend racing Supercross in America is his goal. This little excursion is purely a learning experience, to broaden his skill set and challenge himself in a new environment. Pretty admirable I’d say!

He implied that - like most Americans - racing GP’s could be a fall back if things don’t go to plan in America.

He also said in the US he’s only used to racing 5/6 lap races and that the hardest thing he found racing at Matterley was the speed consistency throughout the field which made it very difficult to regain positions once he made a mistake. Seemed like a very level headed kid.

(The interview is on The MX Reporter Facebook page incase anyone’s interested)
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3/2/2020 11:41pm
Bringing up his age in every conversation is kind of pointless imo, especially comparing to Jett since his route has been pretty uncommon in it’s own...
Bringing up his age in every conversation is kind of pointless imo, especially comparing to Jett since his route has been pretty uncommon in it’s own way. Everyone has their way, some move through the amateur scene quicker and some take more time. The Vohland’s have obviously made the decision to not rush it, and we won’t see until a couple of years down the road how it works out.
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Your profile pic makes your post a little ironic. Jett came and did EMX 125/ 250 and I think he did an MX2 GP as well...
Your profile pic makes your post a little ironic.

Jett came and did EMX 125/ 250 and I think he did an MX2 GP as well, then ended up getting a deal off the back of his brother( he had to go where he went, which is understandable) in the US, and went to ride Amateur for a season which was baffling at the time to many people here, even if his ultimate goal was to race SX in the US , he was MX2 ready.

Roczen was MX2 World Champ at 17 and had left for the USA .

By the same token , Joel Smets didn't start racing till he was 17.

Age is relevant, because if you miss your chance, it goes to a younger , faster rider. That's how the sport works, teams will throw money at kids who 'might' do something, than support someone who has .. Zach Osborne a good example.

So while it isn't the most important thing , his age is certainly relevant.

On a side note Liam Everts may well be doing EMX250 at Valkenswaard, if his Instagram story is correct.
So because of my profile pic I should believe everyone should be world champion at 17? Laughing
There isn’t one way to do this growing up in motocross thing. You can’t point and say this is the way to go. I can point at Guadagnini who is a year older than Max and he won the 125 championship last year, and he didn’t do too shabby last weekend in MX2. And you mentioned Smets yourself. Going back to Roczen, things were very different 10+ years ago when Roczen and Herlings came to the GP’s. Back then there wasn’t a 125 scene like today and pretty much everyone jumped from 85 straight to 250. And even back then Roczen and Herlings were outliers in how they jumped to the GP’s as soon as they could because they were generational talents. I mean back in 2006 I watched a then 12 year old Roczen finish 2nd in the 85cc world championship losing only to a 16 year old Lupino. That’s not normal.
Plus like MXMattii said, the way they come up in the US is also very different since they don’t ride much 125’s there and have their Supermini classes.
In the end I’m just happy the Vohland’s have decided to take a year on the 125 and are doing this and we get to see him ride in Europe. I think it’s a win for him in the long run and definitely a win for us fans.
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3/3/2020 12:18am Edited Date/Time 3/3/2020 1:21am
Bringing up his age in every conversation is kind of pointless imo, especially comparing to Jett since his route has been pretty uncommon in it’s own...
Bringing up his age in every conversation is kind of pointless imo, especially comparing to Jett since his route has been pretty uncommon in it’s own way. Everyone has their way, some move through the amateur scene quicker and some take more time. The Vohland’s have obviously made the decision to not rush it, and we won’t see until a couple of years down the road how it works out.
Why bring up his age? Because all the hype around him

So, name one champ in the recent history of the MX / SX, who didnt turn pro as soon as he was eligible at age wise

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RC 17

Stew 16

Dungey 17

Villo 16

AC 16

Ando 17

Webb 17

Kroc 15

Herlings 15

Cairoli 16

Gajser 15 (Wow, didn't know that, hs 3-year-old brother Žan was killed in a racing accident)

Prado 15

Just few names, and the list goes on and on
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All of those above are some of the greatest racers ever in the history of the sport. Maybe we should give the Vohland's the benifit of doubt and let them go forward in his career in his own pace? Didn't Justin Cooper race his first pro race when he was 20 or 21?
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Alex Martin maybe? not sure though
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3/3/2020 12:51am Edited Date/Time 3/3/2020 1:18am
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All of those above are some of the greatest racers ever in the history of the sport. Maybe we should give the Vohland's the benifit of...
All of those above are some of the greatest racers ever in the history of the sport. Maybe we should give the Vohland's the benifit of doubt and let them go forward in his career in his own pace? Didn't Justin Cooper race his first pro race when he was 20 or 21?
Justin Cooper 19

He turned pro before his 20th birthday. No doubt that Max will benefit from his Euro adventure and I'm sure, that Talon knows what's best for Max. It's good for all the fans from the both side of the pond, and i'm hoping more young guys from US follows his route. The question was why bring up his age? He also looks damn big for mini bike.

My point proves, that If you wanna be a champ, you must start at early age

And I dunno damn shit about how to prepare youngster for his career.
It's just my unproffesional opinion

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Alex Martin maybe? not sure though
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Why bring up his age? Because all the hype around him So, name one champ in the recent history of the MX / SX, who didnt...
Why bring up his age? Because all the hype around him

So, name one champ in the recent history of the MX / SX, who didnt turn pro as soon as he was eligible at age wise

Source Wikipedia

RC 17

Stew 16

Dungey 17

Villo 16

AC 16

Ando 17

Webb 17

Kroc 15

Herlings 15

Cairoli 16

Gajser 15 (Wow, didn't know that, hs 3-year-old brother Žan was killed in a racing accident)

Prado 15

Just few names, and the list goes on and on
And you think Vohland is being “hyped” as the next legend in the making to be compared to those on your list? Sorry, that’s simply not the case. Not here anyway.
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Max looked like he had a heavy weight of expectation on his shoulders every time he had to pick that KTM 125cc up out of the mud.
The kid is undoubtedly fast and I'm sure the results will come as the season progresses!
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Imo Vohland did pretty good. The class is hard, and typically there are just a few riders who can really dominate and be in the top 3 all year long. The riders just outside that top typically have results all over the place (look at Verbruggen running in 2nd for a long time in moto 1 and not getting much done in moto 2).

Add that this is his first time racing this format overseas and he hasnt that much experience with the 125 as i understand. Considering all that imo it actually was pretty decent. Only thing that isnt in his favor is his age for this class, but then again his lenght isnt helping him as well.
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All of those above are some of the greatest racers ever in the history of the sport. Maybe we should give the Vohland's the benifit of...
All of those above are some of the greatest racers ever in the history of the sport. Maybe we should give the Vohland's the benifit of doubt and let them go forward in his career in his own pace? Didn't Justin Cooper race his first pro race when he was 20 or 21?
This right here. Where are all these expectations for Max coming from? I truly don't know, but does he even have multiple Loretta titles? I know he is fast but don't believe I've seen much hype for him except for having a dad and uncle that had some success racing pro MX/SX. Looked fast at Red Bull straight rhythm until he crashed, but we all know that is nothing near MX racing. Seems many Euros (not all) are just using this as another reason to bag on American MX.
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The kid is going to be a badass I can assure you vital peeps. He will turn pro whenever Tallon wants him too, and if you think he is wrong please point to your career so we can judge if your opinion is relavent.
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Look at his Instagram Story, he's in Germany grinding on a sand track (same as Team USA rode a lot before Assen).
3/3/2020 8:44am
Motofinne wrote:
Look at his Instagram Story, he's in Germany grinding on a sand track (same as Team USA rode a lot before Assen).
Is he planning on racing Lommel then ?
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3/3/2020 9:12am
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Look at his Instagram Story, he's in Germany grinding on a sand track (same as Team USA rode a lot before Assen).
Is he planning on racing Lommel then ?
No sir, no Lommel for Max

He is signed up for Portugal and Spain, though, and maybe France, but he's not signed up yet for this one.

3/3/2020 9:22am
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No sir, no Lommel for Max He is signed up for Portugal and Spain, though, and maybe France, but he's not signed up yet for this...
No sir, no Lommel for Max

He is signed up for Portugal and Spain, though, and maybe France, but he's not signed up yet for this one.

So my point is, why is he riding deep sand tracks if he’s not planning on racing any ?
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Because maybe he can learn something from riding those tracks? Which will be helpfull later in his career?
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No sir, no Lommel for Max He is signed up for Portugal and Spain, though, and maybe France, but he's not signed up yet for this...
No sir, no Lommel for Max

He is signed up for Portugal and Spain, though, and maybe France, but he's not signed up yet for this one.

So my point is, why is he riding deep sand tracks if he’s not planning on racing any ?
They’re still rideable in this shit weather
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3/3/2020 9:35am Edited Date/Time 3/3/2020 9:35am
So my point is, why is he riding deep sand tracks if he’s not planning on racing any ?
It would be cool to see him in the 250 EMX class in Valkenswaard
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So my point is, why is he riding deep sand tracks if he’s not planning on racing any ?
Classic Vital. Euro mx fans, Americans need to ride some proper sand tracks. American rides the "gold standard" sand track. Vital Euro contributor, "why is he riding that sand track?"
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No sir, no Lommel for Max He is signed up for Portugal and Spain, though, and maybe France, but he's not signed up yet for this...
No sir, no Lommel for Max

He is signed up for Portugal and Spain, though, and maybe France, but he's not signed up yet for this one.

So my point is, why is he riding deep sand tracks if he’s not planning on racing any ?
Good practice, I'm assuming!
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Vohland is from norcal... Nuff said. That's good for at least 1 or 2 world titles.
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