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1) Portable energy storage devices. You could easily have a 5 kWh device that might cost $1200 today and hopefully $500 in 3-5 years that would recharge your bike 3 to 4 times during the day. This has the potential to charge fast (DC to DC) if both ends are built properly. It would weigh around 30 pounds which is similar to a filled 5 gallon race jug.
2) Future vehicles such as the Tesla Cybertruck which will allow the owner to transfer energy from their truck to their race bike when it needs recharged.
In my opinion Option 1 would be ideal for factory race teams and option 2 for weekend warriors.
Edit: After further thought option 1 with factory teams will probably be at a larger scale with a pack built into the trailer. I could see it being 10kWh of storage for each rider so a 3 rider team would have a 30kWh pack. This would cost maybe $5,000 (more complex components) upfront and recharging it would be $30 to $45 dollars. I wonder how much a race team spends a week on just race fuel?
And the people who are worried about the aftermarket business? There will still be shims shuffle and anodized shit to be sold.
Oddly enough the day before she was riding for a tier 1 gear brand for a photoshoot, and was on an electric streetbike quite a bit (for the shoot). So back to back electric ride days.
Wife and I still own two Altas (out of 12-14 total bikes). An EX and MX. I fucking love riding them. They are amazing bikes and technology and I look forward to someone else picking up the mantle and carrying on this level of bike tech.
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The only real option for us is KTM Freeride E-XC. I went to Austria to try it out a couple of years back, I think 2017 or so. It wasnt good and it was not bad. At that time, I didnt feel it could handle a real motocross track thou. It was more like a fun toy, not a dirt bike. The idea was, i'd do 2-3 times of little practice during the week on my backyard, and than id go to track on the weekend with my 250f. Well, it didnt work out.
If the manufacturers want electric; we will buy electric. Let me lay down a tale of the future:
Let's just say they decide they want to focus on electric tech, and start phasing out internal combustion engine dirt bikes. They let the AMA know that they need a 5 kw advantage on the electric tech bikes so they can compete with the ICE machines.
We see our heroes flat out ripping past the ICE machines on TV. All the heroes say to the camera "Boy, I just can't believe how fast my electric YZ-E is out there! It was a fun race, almost too easy. This technology is amazing!"
Now if you have money you can have a mechanical advantage... and boom there goes the ICE machines.
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You could always buy a Tesla Model S battery for 30,000$ and tote it around, it’s not 40lbs.. still won’t be able to fast charge but hey..
People don’t really understand this do they?
If you charge from an outlet the bike/automobile must be equipped with inverters and such to convert ac power to dc. How do you think Tesla transfers energy from their v3 superchargers at 250kw? Here’s a hint, it’s dc to dc with battery packs!! The actual voltage from a storage battery to the bike would depend on the thresholds of the battery, thermal management, components and state of charge. The reality is you’re probably only dealing with a 3-5kWh battery pack in a bike so charge times will be almost non relevant regardless of the transfer voltage.
More examples of your miss understanding: a Tesla Model S pack is 75 to 100kWh depending on the buildout. The 100kWh pack currently weighs about 1000 pounds and is 3.3 times the size I’m proposing. See how this is going for you?
Honestly I just want a quiet bike that I can tear around in behind the house without noise complaints, and I want it from a manufacturer that is actually in the business of selling motorcycles.
These cars have a rectifier in them so if you plug into your household power it makes DC for you. Tesla also has a station which already does this outside the car at 480volts from commercial 3 phase. You can ONLY push so hard and fast before you wreck the battery.. and you can only charger DC to DC (AC doesn’t really have a polarity). They ramp up voltage so you can use smaller wire to transfer it, remember when cars were 6 volts? Remember the wire size to headlights before 12 volts and relays came along? That’s why they push power at 400,000 volts commercial and 13,800 city.
So again, I ask you, what is this mini storage device you are thinking about that costs 500$ and weighs 30lbs that will provide 400 volts to quick charge your bike? These batteries are made up of small cells, they aren’t light or cheap. I have a bunch of Tesla batteries sitting on my shelf..
I don’t know of a single track or household that has 480 commercial 3 phase so fast charging out. You know, I kinda like just filling a bike with gasoline, takes 30 seconds for a full charge.
Maybe we could bury a huge capacitor under ground at race tracks and hope for a lightning strike. Not sure how it’s possible to takes millions of volts and do anything with it but it would be free energy. If anyone walked within a half mile of the cathode they would get nailed as a grounding potential 😂 for discharge. I’m sure Tesla will figure it out though.. we just need more lithium mined and AC created using fossil fuels
*Keep in mind, we are talking about 3 to 5 years in the future so I’m speculating cost and weight a little bit*
I mostly understand dc and ac power but I’m know where near an expert on it. I do try to learn more about it daily as I feel it’s only going to keep being more relevant. My home EVSE for my Tesla is 7.7kW. It came with the vehicle. The vehicle has the ability to handle about 17.2kW AC via the onboard charger but there was no need since the vehicle charges overnight. We did plumb the outlet for 60 amps but I doubt we will ever get above 32 amps unless a future vehicle comes with a higher output EVSE.
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These bikes will be more expensive, but maintenance costs will be much lower.
Once the weight comes down, I think they will handle better as well. You have more flexibility with geometry, center of mass, et cetera, when you don't need to have intake and exhaust.
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Yup, maintenance costs go WAY down.
Just recently crossed 100 hours on my Alta MXR. Here about sums up the maintenance i've had to do.
-3 suspension rebuilds and about to do the 4th (25hr intervals, like any dirtbike should)
-8 sets of tires (i change every 10-15 hrs, really depends on the dirt i'm riding at the time)
-2 chains, not including the original. Probably could have gone 50hrs on each chain, but i'm picky.
-1 rear sprocket (dirt tricks lasts forever)
- 2x 100mL gear oil changes. One at 10 hours, one at 50 hours. Alta said you can go 100 hours between gear oil changes, but again, i'm picky.
Sound familiar? Thats normal stuff you'd do on any dirtbike, or at least you're supposed to. Now here's all the stuff I haven't even had to think about:
No messing with air filter cleaning and oiling
No oil filters
No engine oil mess
No clutch plates/fibers to replace
No clutch basket to replace
No cables of any kind (clutch, throttle, etc) to replace
No valve adjustments
No top end rebuilds
No bottom end rebuilds
No transmission issues
No need to buy special fuel
No jetting or remapping
Think about how much time spent doing all the I.C.E. related maintenance items over time. At my paygrade, the time saved alone is worth it. And i say that as a gearhead who enjoys working his dirtbikes!
Electric Mx bikes will only get better.
I can’t wait for the first pro to line up on the gates with the 4 bangers much like what happened with the 450 with heath voss being like the only one on a 450 if I remember right.
What will be the part that brings you fun to a stop permanently.
The motor, electronic controller or the motor structure ?
What are your plans for repairs, do you have some parts hidden away?
Personally, I Don’t understand the 4 stroke evolution.. they really don’t need to be this loud. They could use an exhaust that’s much quieter at a small sacrifice which would help. I am a moto guy for life and it saddens me to see the sport diminishing..
I'd like to have both, because I could do a helluva lot more riding in my backyard.
It's inevitable that CARB will make sales of new internal combustion engines illegal in California coming decades. They know there is no other way to meet state EV goals and decarbonization goals, which are already in place.
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