Ferrandis deserve a penalty?

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Edited Date/Time 1/24/2020 12:34pm
I’m not a Ferrandis fan but I think people are over reacting a bit. it was a very aggressive pass and I didn’t appreciate it but they did the right thing by not penalizing him and docking positions. Let’s see what the polls say...

Did Dylan’s pass on Christian Craig deserve a penalty to dock him a position (or positions)?

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DB505 1/19/2020 8:23am
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Two cheap shots in one race! A block pass is one thing, ok! To continue to stay on the gas when you know your goin to hit someone, that’s dangerous, needs a penalty!!
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tek14 1/19/2020 8:27am
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AMA did tell you.... NO PENALTY:
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FWYT 1/19/2020 8:31am
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Racing incident.
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Motofinne 1/19/2020 8:31am
1/19/2020 8:31am Edited Date/Time 1/19/2020 8:35am
No. Because i don't want to change the fundamentals around the ruling and racing in SX.

If you want that move to be an offence that warrants a position penalty you change everything and at the same time open up a grey zone that will be a nightmare. Do we really want to have the guys at AMA/FIM (we all know how useless they can be in these situations from time to time) judging what is an ok move and what is not ok? That is a recipe for disaster and more controversy.

You will also basically eliminate the LCQ battles because the rules would have to be the same there as in the main event (anything else would remind me of a circus show more than a professional motorsport).

What happened to Craig sucked but it was far from the first time in the sport and it wont be the last time something like that happens.
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DB505 1/19/2020 8:35am
1/19/2020 8:35am
So we turn professional racing into the mma?
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davis224 1/19/2020 8:42am
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You can see in the slideshow GuyB took that Dylan was going down on his own anyway, his front washed out which made him pretty much a wedge underneath Craig. He came in way too hot and it was a stupid move, but just because there was a dramatic reaction with Craig and his bike doesn't mean it was a malicious takeout move. Alessi's torpedo on Tickle didn't look as bad, but was an infinitely worse move that deserved every penalty thrown his way.
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Racer111 1/19/2020 8:45am
1/19/2020 8:45am Edited Date/Time 1/19/2020 2:28pm
McGrath, Dungey, RC Stewart, RV..........all for the most part won more races than anyone in the sport. They all did it with hardly ever making contact with anyone. Their passes were calculated and smart.

Passes like Ferrandis vs Craig, Osbourne vs Savatgy, Reed Vs JS7 etc......... I have no room for that and neither should the AMA. The sport is dangerous enough without being able to use your motorcycle to torpedo someone to get past them as well. It’s shitty racing and a complete lack of respect for your fellow riders. Anyone who likes seeing riders down because they were punted off the track is a complete moron.

I’m all for block passes with little to know contact, but moves like we saw out of Ferrandis last night TWICE should have consequences. End of story. It should never be ok to send your competition 45mph down the track without their bike. Hell no!

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Paul333 1/19/2020 9:06am
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Racer111 wrote:
McGrath, Dungey, RC Stewart, RV..........all for the most part won more races than anyone in the sport. They all did it with hardly ever making contact...
McGrath, Dungey, RC Stewart, RV..........all for the most part won more races than anyone in the sport. They all did it with hardly ever making contact with anyone. Their passes were calculated and smart.

Passes like Ferrandis vs Craig, Osbourne vs Savatgy, Reed Vs JS7 etc......... I have no room for that and neither should the AMA. The sport is dangerous enough without being able to use your motorcycle to torpedo someone to get past them as well. It’s shitty racing and a complete lack of respect for your fellow riders. Anyone who likes seeing riders down because they were punted off the track is a complete moron.

I’m all for block passes with little to know contact, but moves like we saw out of Ferrandis last night TWICE should have consequences. End of story. It should never be ok to send your competition 45mph down the track without their bike. Hell no!

Great post

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TbonesPop 1/19/2020 9:06am
1/19/2020 9:06am
No, but karma can be a real bitch. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Honestly, it was just an impatient, stupid move.
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Karlsrad 1/19/2020 9:09am
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I’m all for a good block pass and good racing, but if you take someone out with your pass and you crash as well.... I think a penalty should be inline. Dylan could of waited 2-3 more corners and easily of gotten around Craig. He was faster last nite. But to basically take Craig out of championship contention with a dirty pass, that sucks for the series.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7fTectntUq/?igshid=1thgszf40rzpl
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brimx153 1/19/2020 9:10am
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There was nothing wrong with the second pass at all . One with craig was dirty , but there are tons like it in SX . If there was a penalty, any time there was contact teams would be complaining .
Black Diesel Bomber 1/19/2020 10:00am
1/19/2020 10:00am Edited Date/Time 1/19/2020 10:01am
You can't penalize that pass. Call it dirty, aggressive, stupid, impatient, or whatever, but you can't penalize it or you ruin supercross by opening a can of worms.

Do you think Ferrandis intentionally wanted to bulldoze Craig and wanted to take himself out in doing so? Dylan was desperate and impatient, but the aggressive "dirty" pass doesn't warrant a penalty.

For those who are pissed just think of your favorite rider doing the same thing in an upcoming race. It will eventually happen, and do you want your favorite rider penalized for an aggressive brain fart? This was not a blatant takeout move like Alessi on Tickle and I think emotion is clouding this fact for 50% of the voters.

This coming from a guy who is not a Ferrandis fan and had Christian Craig on my fantasy team.

Let the other riders or karma sort this out. Not too long ago everyone would have been saying "payback is a bitch" instead of "Penalize him!!""
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feelit2morrow 1/19/2020 10:13am
1/19/2020 10:13am
No penalty. But he deserves to get his front wheel sawed off by Craig at some point moving forward.
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cody41 1/19/2020 10:15am
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People are too soft these days.
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The clitoris has 8000 nerve endings and isn’t as sensitive as a SX fan with a vital account.
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reynardfan1 1/19/2020 10:26am
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I’m sure everyone here would be totally fine at the local track if someone did this...it’s either dirty or it isn’t, doesn’t matter the level. That’s a takeout...

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rv13 1/19/2020 10:39am
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A little bit different opinion here. I don’t like anyone being hit as hard as he hit Craig, but I really don’t think he was intentionally trying to put him in the stands so the hit alone doesn’t make me scream penalty. My issue is the desperation he was riding with was dangerous for everyone. The Forkner pass was aggressive but fine. Then he destroyed Craig. THEN he cut Jett off on the face, which seems to me the most sketchy (Jett’s injury isn’t his fault). I don’t think anyone thing he did was the worst we ever seen. As a whole it was pretty rough though.
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Black Diesel Bomber 1/19/2020 10:49am
1/19/2020 10:49am
reynardfan1 wrote:
I’m sure everyone here would be totally fine at the local track if someone did this...it’s either dirty or it isn’t, doesn’t matter the level. That’s...
I’m sure everyone here would be totally fine at the local track if someone did this...it’s either dirty or it isn’t, doesn’t matter the level. That’s a takeout...

Do you feel Roczen should have been penalized too then for making a stupid move and filleting his arm? How about Dungey on Stewart? It could be argued that these were stupid aggressive passes or badly timed pass attempts but there's a difference between Roczen/Dungey/Ferrandis and blatant intentional takeouts like Alessi and Reed:





Intentional Alessi torpedo and intentional retaliatory takeout by Reed:




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kalebutler 1/19/2020 1:35pm
1/19/2020 1:35pm
DB505 wrote:
So we turn professional racing into the mma?
I didn’t see and punches thrown
kalebutler 1/19/2020 1:50pm
1/19/2020 1:50pm
DB505 wrote:
So we turn professional racing into the mma?
I didn’t see and punches thrown
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philG 1/19/2020 1:54pm
1/19/2020 1:54pm
DB505 wrote:
So we turn professional racing into the mma?
You not been watching long then ?
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lostboy819 1/19/2020 2:12pm
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DB505 wrote:
So we turn professional racing into the mma?
philG wrote:
You not been watching long then ?
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Antonioni 1/19/2020 2:12pm
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reynardfan1 wrote:
I’m sure everyone here would be totally fine at the local track if someone did this...it’s either dirty or it isn’t, doesn’t matter the level. That’s...
I’m sure everyone here would be totally fine at the local track if someone did this...it’s either dirty or it isn’t, doesn’t matter the level. That’s a takeout...

This picture is "lying".
Ferrandis came on the trajectory of Jett clearly in advance, and stop here. Then Jett decide to break through, without real change of trajectory, full gas on, no matter if Ferrandis is already here, and Jett ride on his bike (with the help of the edge mound of the turn).
On this action it's Jett who lost his mind, no way the reverse. Keep that in mind.
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APLMAN99 1/19/2020 2:16pm
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reynardfan1 wrote:
I’m sure everyone here would be totally fine at the local track if someone did this...it’s either dirty or it isn’t, doesn’t matter the level. That’s...
I’m sure everyone here would be totally fine at the local track if someone did this...it’s either dirty or it isn’t, doesn’t matter the level. That’s a takeout...

Antonioni wrote:
This picture is "lying". Ferrandis came on the trajectory of Jett clearly in advance, and stop here. Then Jett decide to break through, without real change...
This picture is "lying".
Ferrandis came on the trajectory of Jett clearly in advance, and stop here. Then Jett decide to break through, without real change of trajectory, full gas on, no matter if Ferrandis is already here, and Jett ride on his bike (with the help of the edge mound of the turn).
On this action it's Jett who lost his mind, no way the reverse. Keep that in mind.
You can't even get the name of the rider correct, you obviously don't get it at all. Keep that in mind.




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gerg 1/19/2020 2:16pm
1/19/2020 2:16pm Edited Date/Time 1/19/2020 2:17pm
Block passing and aggressive riding is great IMO and it's plain just needed to make passes in the sport, but when you make a move that takes out yourself as well as the other rider then that shit needs a wake up call.
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GeorgiePorgie 1/19/2020 2:23pm
1/19/2020 2:23pm Edited Date/Time 1/19/2020 2:25pm
reynardfan1 wrote:
I’m sure everyone here would be totally fine at the local track if someone did this...it’s either dirty or it isn’t, doesn’t matter the level. That’s...
I’m sure everyone here would be totally fine at the local track if someone did this...it’s either dirty or it isn’t, doesn’t matter the level. That’s a takeout...

Antonioni wrote:
This picture is "lying". Ferrandis came on the trajectory of Jett clearly in advance, and stop here. Then Jett decide to break through, without real change...
This picture is "lying".
Ferrandis came on the trajectory of Jett clearly in advance, and stop here. Then Jett decide to break through, without real change of trajectory, full gas on, no matter if Ferrandis is already here, and Jett ride on his bike (with the help of the edge mound of the turn).
On this action it's Jett who lost his mind, no way the reverse. Keep that in mind.
APLMAN99 wrote:
You can't even get the name of the rider correct, you obviously don't get it at all. Keep that in mind. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/19/399040/s1200_notjett.jpg[/img]
You can't even get the name of the rider correct, you obviously don't get it at all. Keep that in mind.




For once apple man is right !


This poll truly shows there’s about a 50/50 split on the opinion!
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TbonesPop 1/19/2020 2:32pm
1/19/2020 2:32pm
Antonioni wrote:
This picture is "lying". Ferrandis came on the trajectory of Jett clearly in advance, and stop here. Then Jett decide to break through, without real change...
This picture is "lying".
Ferrandis came on the trajectory of Jett clearly in advance, and stop here. Then Jett decide to break through, without real change of trajectory, full gas on, no matter if Ferrandis is already here, and Jett ride on his bike (with the help of the edge mound of the turn).
On this action it's Jett who lost his mind, no way the reverse. Keep that in mind.
C'mon man. You have zero credibility with your opinion when you can't even name the rider correctly.
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Antonioni 1/19/2020 2:38pm
1/19/2020 2:38pm Edited Date/Time 1/19/2020 2:40pm
APLMAN99 wrote:
You can't even get the name of the rider correct, you obviously don't get it at all. Keep that in mind. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/19/399040/s1200_notjett.jpg[/img]
You can't even get the name of the rider correct, you obviously don't get it at all. Keep that in mind.




Sorry guy I didn't pay attention that was Craig, I thought that was a picture of the action with Jett, I'm dumb. No hard feelings.

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