Namur 1991 GP

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12/19/2019 12:59am
roninho wrote:
Regarding what you write about Geboers, what is the reason no race at all could be held at Namur?

It was mentioned here many times before in various threads. I try to sum it up. Basically the track is non-existent. It is too costly for...
It was mentioned here many times before in various threads. I try to sum it up. Basically the track is non-existent. It is too costly for TV broadcast (need more camera crew). etc.

Boo hoo *insert generic Luongo's screach* it would not be as profitable as third race in Indonesia so it would put damper on Luongos chance on another Yacht in a foreseeable future...

My 0.02 dough:
The track could not be run as it was in the past but with a few changes regarding rider and spectator safety it should be doable. Just put MXoN there. Make MX punk again.
roninho wrote:
Thanks but i don't mean hosting a GP. My question is why isnt there an international race? In the summer (holiday) period with field of riders...
Thanks but i don't mean hosting a GP.

My question is why isnt there an international race? In the summer (holiday) period with field of riders similar as to what we'll see at Hakwstone or at the Dutch Masters (so like 50% of the GP topriders).


Or the Vets MXdN...
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It was mentioned here many times before in various threads. I try to sum it up. Basically the track is non-existent. It is too costly for...
It was mentioned here many times before in various threads. I try to sum it up. Basically the track is non-existent. It is too costly for TV broadcast (need more camera crew). etc.

Boo hoo *insert generic Luongo's screach* it would not be as profitable as third race in Indonesia so it would put damper on Luongos chance on another Yacht in a foreseeable future...

My 0.02 dough:
The track could not be run as it was in the past but with a few changes regarding rider and spectator safety it should be doable. Just put MXoN there. Make MX punk again.
roninho wrote:
Thanks but i don't mean hosting a GP. My question is why isnt there an international race? In the summer (holiday) period with field of riders...
Thanks but i don't mean hosting a GP.

My question is why isnt there an international race? In the summer (holiday) period with field of riders similar as to what we'll see at Hakwstone or at the Dutch Masters (so like 50% of the GP topriders).


Robgvx wrote:
Or the Vets MXdN...
Aforementioned Greenies, Council / Local ( and National Governments), Insurance and Liability, and, local residents. Just have a squizz at various race videos and 'walk around' pictures - Houses / Roads, right there. Or, indeed, part of the track.

The last thing I'm aware of happening there was a VMX type thing, but more of an exhibition up on the concourse, in front of The Citadel, a few years back? Others here may well know otherwise, and info / reports / links, I, and I'm sure, many others, would be eternally grateful for.

I've often compared that having a race at Namur, would be akin to a race being held at Arlington National Cemetery , or, any one of the large, fabled Civil War battlefields, for USA peoples to get a grasp on Namur Citadels race stagings importance for the Belgians, and other Europeans and Brits. I think it was fabled as never having been 'conquered', at least until the hell of WW1.

And, the idea of an MX race in Central Park, New York , as mentioned earlier in this thread is another good comparison as a places importance to a Nations / Regions psyche.

The place is utterley magical, utterly magnificent, and utterly Fearful.

You owe it to yourself, to pull your finger out, stop belly button gazing, and get to Namur, Lommel( a flat as a tack sand pit in a light industrial area, soaked in the blood of warriors from eons of War, with Sand pounded by artillery bombardments into the most vicious of fine, bottomless 'nonsurfaces'), Valkenswaard and on and on and on, if you think you are an MXer. Bugger crap like glorified BMX tracks plonked down in Stadiums for our viewing 'comfort'.
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12/19/2019 2:58am
I went every year from 1978 onwards until it finished and my mum and dad had been going most years since the 60s.
We would usually drive out from Britain on the Saturday, sleep in the car Saturday night in a French layby, watch the race then drive home...and then go to Luxembourg the week after (the OLD Ettelbrouck track was nearly as bonkers as Namur).
I remember my dad telling me about the 60s when there were essentially no fences and the fans would hide behind trees in the middle of the track to get a better view and would block the track to stop riders if the Belgians weren't winning.
Not speaking French or Flemish we could never understand the commentators, and infact didn't even know for sure that Graham Noyce had won the World Title in 1979 until we were back on the ferry to Dover hours later and someone told us.
Also, for a race that was always the 1st weekend in August, it had it's fair share of mudders, with streams of water running inches deep down the roads and making some of the hills barely rideable.
The track got slowed down a little over the years by adding tight corners etc on the Citadel area and tabletops down in the section just after. They also tried to make things safer down near the Café du Monument area by dropping down off the bank earlier and adding the dirt to the road, but this really only meant that the bike were higher up than before so now at head height if they went over the barriers into the crowd Dizzy
For what it's worth, a lot of the British 'lads' that went every year (particularly the later years) were pretty poorly behaved, monumentally drunk and i'm sure that the locals/organisers were glad to see the back of them when they finally decided to close the on site campsites Dry
Presumably the richer local residents (it is bloody nice in that area of town) would get a bit uppity to have bikes chewing up their parks and verges again after all this time, but they do still have a cyclocross World Cup their every December and that makes a fair amount of mess. The potential damage to old cobbled roads is probably more of an issue these days than it was 25 years ago though, and presumably the whole historic castle/fort thing is more protected by law than it would have been years ago.

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12/19/2019 4:04am
1991...that'll be this kit then Wink




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12/19/2019 4:10am
mumbles wrote:
I went in 1985 & 86. Best race track I have ever been too. It was magic. Thorpe 85 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/12/17/392130/s1200_davethorpe85.jpg[/img] Thorpe 86 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/12/17/392132/s1200_davethorpe86.jpg[/img]
I went in 1985 & 86. Best race track I have ever been too. It was magic.

Thorpe 85


Thorpe 86

Hmmm, looks familiar. Got some nice memorabilia from those days at home Smile




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12/19/2019 4:19am Edited Date/Time 12/19/2019 4:22am
Walk around the area in today’s condition.

I think some of this is Namur.
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Never saw a GP there but once went to a stage of the Tour de France that ran through it. My first introduction to Belgian French...
Never saw a GP there but once went to a stage of the Tour de France that ran through it. My first introduction to Belgian French fries with mayonnaise.
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1987 for me, have always order mayo with fries from that day on. Rained most of the day cobbles sketchy and the hills. 1st Heinz Kinigadner...
1987 for me, have always order mayo with fries from that day on. Rained most of the day cobbles sketchy and the hills.
1st Heinz Kinigadner AUT, KTM
2nd Kurt Nicholl GB, Kaw
3rd Kees Van Der Ven, KTM
George Jobe BEL, Hon won the 1st race can't remember what happened him in the 2nd race, he went on to win the title from Nicholl & Van Der Ven
It was a dnf for Georges in the second heat, a stone hit his exhaust. That day was one off the mudiest mx races i ever saw.
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I seem to remember Claudio DeCarli winning a Moto at Namur one year, but either the 2nd Moto was cancelled due to torrential rain, or he DNF'd.

Am I right?
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Bearuno wrote:
I seem to remember Claudio DeCarli winning a Moto at Namur one year, but either the 2nd Moto was cancelled due to torrential rain, or he...
I seem to remember Claudio DeCarli winning a Moto at Namur one year, but either the 2nd Moto was cancelled due to torrential rain, or he DNF'd.

Am I right?
Claudio de Carli was 2nd in the first heat after Jobe, in the 2nd heat he also dnf. That was in 1987 even tv coverage had difficulties due to the heavy rain.
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12/19/2019 7:45am
Way way way cool!
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Vdd wrote:
Claudio de Carli was 2nd in the first heat after Jobe, in the 2nd heat he also dnf. That was in 1987 even tv coverage had...
Claudio de Carli was 2nd in the first heat after Jobe, in the 2nd heat he also dnf. That was in 1987 even tv coverage had difficulties due to the heavy rain.
Torrential , one of the positives was getting right up to the fencing if you didn't mind getting splattered with muck, well mud soup Cheerful
We were on a round trip from N Ireland taking in the GP at Fairley Castle UK
1st G Jobe, 2nd K Nicholl, 3rd Laurence Spence
Then toured round France for 3 weeks taking in Namur on the way back, Spence head butted a tree in practice & knocked himself silly (M Robert) helmet with some of the padding gouged out to fit Spences' large head, last Gp he raced, sadly Sad
12/19/2019 10:25am
mac3-d wrote:
Torrential , one of the positives was getting right up to the fencing if you didn't mind getting splattered with muck, well mud soup :cheer: We...
Torrential , one of the positives was getting right up to the fencing if you didn't mind getting splattered with muck, well mud soup Cheerful
We were on a round trip from N Ireland taking in the GP at Fairley Castle UK
1st G Jobe, 2nd K Nicholl, 3rd Laurence Spence
Then toured round France for 3 weeks taking in Namur on the way back, Spence head butted a tree in practice & knocked himself silly (M Robert) helmet with some of the padding gouged out to fit Spences' large head, last Gp he raced, sadly Sad
Was that because of the injury?

I remember a Belgium wildcard crashed into a tree in practice & a marshal pulled his helmet off and paralysed him.
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12/19/2019 12:08pm Edited Date/Time 12/19/2019 12:11pm
mac3-d wrote:
Torrential , one of the positives was getting right up to the fencing if you didn't mind getting splattered with muck, well mud soup :cheer: We...
Torrential , one of the positives was getting right up to the fencing if you didn't mind getting splattered with muck, well mud soup Cheerful
We were on a round trip from N Ireland taking in the GP at Fairley Castle UK
1st G Jobe, 2nd K Nicholl, 3rd Laurence Spence
Then toured round France for 3 weeks taking in Namur on the way back, Spence head butted a tree in practice & knocked himself silly (M Robert) helmet with some of the padding gouged out to fit Spences' large head, last Gp he raced, sadly Sad
Was that because of the injury? I remember a Belgium wildcard crashed into a tree in practice & a marshal pulled his helmet off and paralysed...
Was that because of the injury?

I remember a Belgium wildcard crashed into a tree in practice & a marshal pulled his helmet off and paralysed him.
He was feed up travelling but he raced back home & would win if he wanted to
Also when he 1st went to factory Kaw he went to work on his own bike & was told by his mechanic it's was his (mechanics) job so Spence was at a loose end, he was a good mechanic in his own right
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12/19/2019 12:19pm Edited Date/Time 12/19/2019 12:21pm
Indeed 1992 was the year, the rider tried to double jump at the downhill section but hit a tree that was not protected with hay bales. Later on in 2006 the FMB ( Belgian mx association) had to pay close to 2 million dollar compensation.
I think this is the reason that The FIM never wants to race at Namur anymore.
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Vdd wrote:
Indeed 1992 was the year, the rider tried to double jump at the downhill section but hit a tree that was not protected with hay bales...
Indeed 1992 was the year, the rider tried to double jump at the downhill section but hit a tree that was not protected with hay bales. Later on in 2006 the FMB ( Belgian mx association) had to pay close to 2 million dollar compensation.
I think this is the reason that The FIM never wants to race at Namur anymore.
Also part of the reason why Belgian motocross is close to death, our national federation is bankrupt.

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