Suzuki RM 125 AF coming out?

oldblood wrote:

I'm trying to get the kids to bed, and I have to work at 7, 2 hours away. So I'll keep it short. I would suggest...

I'm trying to get the kids to bed, and I have to work at 7, 2 hours away. So I'll keep it short.
I would suggest everyone watch 'On any Sunday ', especially the opening sequence. It promoted motorcycling as everyone's activity. Of course it presented pro's as the elete. But still obtainable.
The sport has evolved into it's own extinction.
I remember local races with multiple divisions, where now there are 5 on the gate. Something has been lost. The involvement of the average guy has deminished. Of course there are many reasons for this. But I believe that the 125 class is a way to keep many involved that otherwise would bail.
Watch On any Sunday and think about it.

JMX82 wrote:

I don't see the point of this bike. Finnish rider Emil Weckman tried to ride RM125 AF buildt by Italian team in EMX125 class couple years...

I don't see the point of this bike. Finnish rider Emil Weckman tried to ride RM125 AF buildt by Italian team in EMX125 class couple years ago. Bike was too heavy and under powered against KTM's, Husky's and Yamaha's. Eventually the team folded up and Emil ended up racing with KTM's with much better results.

downard254 wrote:

I remember when I started lsing interest in racing when the class turn out got smaller, and the number of classes ballooned. When I started in...

I remember when I started lsing interest in racing when the class turn out got smaller, and the number of classes ballooned. When I started in ‘83, there was a pee wee class, 60cc, 80 junior and senior, schoolboy, 125, 250, and open A and B, and the senior class. That’s it. Classes were packed. When I stopped racing there were probably 3 times the number of classes. It stretched the day out so long and when it was finally time for your race, you got maybe 3 laps racing against 4 or 5 bikes. No fun. I loved having a full gate.

mx_563 wrote:

So is the idea that you go to your dealer, ask for the kit, and received a bunch of random boxes of parts that you take...

So is the idea that you go to your dealer, ask for the kit, and received a bunch of random boxes of parts that you take home to assemble, then go back to the dealer to order the missing shit (it is Suzuki after all), them modify the misaligned backets at home (#Suzuki), and eventually have a 125 that you could have just bought from KTM it Yamaha?

oldblood wrote:

I'm trying to get the kids to bed, and I have to work at 7, 2 hours away. So I'll keep it short. I would suggest...

I'm trying to get the kids to bed, and I have to work at 7, 2 hours away. So I'll keep it short.
I would suggest everyone watch 'On any Sunday ', especially the opening sequence. It promoted motorcycling as everyone's activity. Of course it presented pro's as the elete. But still obtainable.
The sport has evolved into it's own extinction.
I remember local races with multiple divisions, where now there are 5 on the gate. Something has been lost. The involvement of the average guy has deminished. Of course there are many reasons for this. But I believe that the 125 class is a way to keep many involved that otherwise would bail.
Watch On any Sunday and think about it.

oldblood wrote:

I'm trying to get the kids to bed, and I have to work at 7, 2 hours away. So I'll keep it short. I would suggest...

I'm trying to get the kids to bed, and I have to work at 7, 2 hours away. So I'll keep it short.
I would suggest everyone watch 'On any Sunday ', especially the opening sequence. It promoted motorcycling as everyone's activity. Of course it presented pro's as the elete. But still obtainable.
The sport has evolved into it's own extinction.
I remember local races with multiple divisions, where now there are 5 on the gate. Something has been lost. The involvement of the average guy has deminished. Of course there are many reasons for this. But I believe that the 125 class is a way to keep many involved that otherwise would bail.
Watch On any Sunday and think about it.

whateversclever69 wrote:

The sport is dying because everyone on the outside looking in perceives us as well-to-do rednecks.

Which is somewhat accurate.

oldblood wrote:

I'm trying to get the kids to bed, and I have to work at 7, 2 hours away. So I'll keep it short. I would suggest...

I'm trying to get the kids to bed, and I have to work at 7, 2 hours away. So I'll keep it short.
I would suggest everyone watch 'On any Sunday ', especially the opening sequence. It promoted motorcycling as everyone's activity. Of course it presented pro's as the elete. But still obtainable.
The sport has evolved into it's own extinction.
I remember local races with multiple divisions, where now there are 5 on the gate. Something has been lost. The involvement of the average guy has deminished. Of course there are many reasons for this. But I believe that the 125 class is a way to keep many involved that otherwise would bail.
Watch On any Sunday and think about it.

Aaryn234 wrote:

I don't even think it needs to be a two stroke, just affordable decent quality bikes. Obviously Australia is a little different than the U.S, but...

I don't even think it needs to be a two stroke, just affordable decent quality bikes.

Obviously Australia is a little different than the U.S, but on the weekend instead of going to one of the local "Race" tracks, I took my son out to a local ride park, there is not a great deal there, A semi Arena cross track, A real basic track with six corners and three jumps, and then a sand MX track, no jumps.

It also has a beginners only track for 50-65 cc bikes.

The Beginners track was packed with everything from Yamaha PW50's and all sort of cheap ass pit bike or lesser know, probably Chinese built small kids fun bikes.

Cars were rolling up with four bikes jammed into a trailer, normally three kids bikes and some what looked to be clapped out old enduro or MX bike for the dad to ride.

It is easy to look down on these guys who probably hit this place up a few times a year, but they are the real people missing for the sport these days, we need more places like this to ride, where people can just rock up on any old bike, no matter how old it is, or what condition it is in and just enjoy the ride, then hope a good percentage of them then find their way to the race track and upgrade bikes.

Actually put a smile on my face seeing that many kids our riding on small bikes, local races were lucky to get 5 - 12 riders in the 50 class this year, yet there were probably 20 at this place by 10am on a Saturday morning.

oldblood wrote:

I'm trying to get the kids to bed, and I have to work at 7, 2 hours away. So I'll keep it short. I would suggest...

I'm trying to get the kids to bed, and I have to work at 7, 2 hours away. So I'll keep it short.
I would suggest everyone watch 'On any Sunday ', especially the opening sequence. It promoted motorcycling as everyone's activity. Of course it presented pro's as the elete. But still obtainable.
The sport has evolved into it's own extinction.
I remember local races with multiple divisions, where now there are 5 on the gate. Something has been lost. The involvement of the average guy has deminished. Of course there are many reasons for this. But I believe that the 125 class is a way to keep many involved that otherwise would bail.
Watch On any Sunday and think about it.

Aaryn234 wrote:

I don't even think it needs to be a two stroke, just affordable decent quality bikes. Obviously Australia is a little different than the U.S, but...

I don't even think it needs to be a two stroke, just affordable decent quality bikes.

Obviously Australia is a little different than the U.S, but on the weekend instead of going to one of the local "Race" tracks, I took my son out to a local ride park, there is not a great deal there, A semi Arena cross track, A real basic track with six corners and three jumps, and then a sand MX track, no jumps.

It also has a beginners only track for 50-65 cc bikes.

The Beginners track was packed with everything from Yamaha PW50's and all sort of cheap ass pit bike or lesser know, probably Chinese built small kids fun bikes.

Cars were rolling up with four bikes jammed into a trailer, normally three kids bikes and some what looked to be clapped out old enduro or MX bike for the dad to ride.

It is easy to look down on these guys who probably hit this place up a few times a year, but they are the real people missing for the sport these days, we need more places like this to ride, where people can just rock up on any old bike, no matter how old it is, or what condition it is in and just enjoy the ride, then hope a good percentage of them then find their way to the race track and upgrade bikes.

Actually put a smile on my face seeing that many kids our riding on small bikes, local races were lucky to get 5 - 12 riders in the 50 class this year, yet there were probably 20 at this place by 10am on a Saturday morning.

rossi46 wrote:

I went to a grass track race here in Tasmania. There was everyone from the top local MX pros to the top enduro pros and everything...

I went to a grass track race here in Tasmania.
There was everyone from the top local MX pros to the top enduro pros and everything in between.
One hit had a clapped out 88 rm125 and went it and hauled star and had the biggest smile on his face at the end of the Moto
One thing I noticed was b and c graders wearing the latest MX gear. Some had two pairs of tech 10 boots. And actually changed gear for the second Motos. These are c graders.
My point is. A new bike is 12k. And then all the latest fashion and shit that thee kid wants is another 5k.
MwNwhile I was wearing 10 yr old tech10 and 12 yr old fox gear.

Aaryn234 wrote:

I don't even think it needs to be a two stroke, just affordable decent quality bikes. Obviously Australia is a little different than the U.S, but...

I don't even think it needs to be a two stroke, just affordable decent quality bikes.

Obviously Australia is a little different than the U.S, but on the weekend instead of going to one of the local "Race" tracks, I took my son out to a local ride park, there is not a great deal there, A semi Arena cross track, A real basic track with six corners and three jumps, and then a sand MX track, no jumps.

It also has a beginners only track for 50-65 cc bikes.

The Beginners track was packed with everything from Yamaha PW50's and all sort of cheap ass pit bike or lesser know, probably Chinese built small kids fun bikes.

Cars were rolling up with four bikes jammed into a trailer, normally three kids bikes and some what looked to be clapped out old enduro or MX bike for the dad to ride.

It is easy to look down on these guys who probably hit this place up a few times a year, but they are the real people missing for the sport these days, we need more places like this to ride, where people can just rock up on any old bike, no matter how old it is, or what condition it is in and just enjoy the ride, then hope a good percentage of them then find their way to the race track and upgrade bikes.

Actually put a smile on my face seeing that many kids our riding on small bikes, local races were lucky to get 5 - 12 riders in the 50 class this year, yet there were probably 20 at this place by 10am on a Saturday morning.

rossi46 wrote:

I went to a grass track race here in Tasmania. There was everyone from the top local MX pros to the top enduro pros and everything...

I went to a grass track race here in Tasmania.
There was everyone from the top local MX pros to the top enduro pros and everything in between.
One hit had a clapped out 88 rm125 and went it and hauled star and had the biggest smile on his face at the end of the Moto
One thing I noticed was b and c graders wearing the latest MX gear. Some had two pairs of tech 10 boots. And actually changed gear for the second Motos. These are c graders.
My point is. A new bike is 12k. And then all the latest fashion and shit that thee kid wants is another 5k.
MwNwhile I was wearing 10 yr old tech10 and 12 yr old fox gear.

mxb2 wrote:

And people spending $ in the sport is a good thing. Who cares if they have 10 sets of gear if they want to buy it.

rossi46 wrote:

I went to a grass track race here in Tasmania. There was everyone from the top local MX pros to the top enduro pros and everything...

I went to a grass track race here in Tasmania.
There was everyone from the top local MX pros to the top enduro pros and everything in between.
One hit had a clapped out 88 rm125 and went it and hauled star and had the biggest smile on his face at the end of the Moto
One thing I noticed was b and c graders wearing the latest MX gear. Some had two pairs of tech 10 boots. And actually changed gear for the second Motos. These are c graders.
My point is. A new bike is 12k. And then all the latest fashion and shit that thee kid wants is another 5k.
MwNwhile I was wearing 10 yr old tech10 and 12 yr old fox gear.

mxb2 wrote:

And people spending $ in the sport is a good thing. Who cares if they have 10 sets of gear if they want to buy it.

rossi46 wrote:

Thats not really what I was trying to say. . part of the rising costs of the sport is having the latest fashionable gear. People get...

Thats not really what I was trying to say. . part of the rising costs of the sport is having the latest fashionable gear.
People get out of racing because it’s too expensive. And a lot of cost is keeping up with the jones’s
Each to their own. Just an observation.
Btw.

Moto Norcal wrote:

I would be shocked if the internal combustion engine isn't illegal in California within the next 20 years- other states will follow. The ICE is doomed...

I would be shocked if the internal combustion engine isn't illegal in California within the next 20 years- other states will follow. The ICE is doomed for the dustbin of history, so if you like riding ICE dirt bikes- do it now. If the CA politicians won't let people cook with natural gas because of emissions, there is no way they are going to allow ICE dirt bikes forever.

KHI Guy wrote:

I agree that in hindsight, there needed to be a more concerted effort to conserve riding areas and tracks. However, there would never have been a...

I agree that in hindsight, there needed to be a more concerted effort to conserve riding areas and tracks. However, there would never have been a lobbying effort on Washington by the OEMs. Dirt biking is just way too small in the grand scheme of things.

The reason that I nor my kids ride is because there simply isn't anywhere to do so. Cost really has nothing to do with it. Around here, all of large plots of land (especially farms) are being bought up by housing developers. Honestly, If I was sitting on 100 acres of land, and a developer offered me millions of $$$ for it, it would be kind of hard to say no.

If a housing development goes in within earshot of a riding area, there isn't going to be any riding going on there much longer. Yet, mention electric dirt bike on this forum and there is an eruption of insults thrown around about electric bikes being stupid, Elon is a fraud, "I'm a badass because I like loud bikes", you're not "core", ect....people really do not get the big picture.

KHI Guy wrote:

I agree that in hindsight, there needed to be a more concerted effort to conserve riding areas and tracks. However, there would never have been a...

I agree that in hindsight, there needed to be a more concerted effort to conserve riding areas and tracks. However, there would never have been a lobbying effort on Washington by the OEMs. Dirt biking is just way too small in the grand scheme of things.

The reason that I nor my kids ride is because there simply isn't anywhere to do so. Cost really has nothing to do with it. Around here, all of large plots of land (especially farms) are being bought up by housing developers. Honestly, If I was sitting on 100 acres of land, and a developer offered me millions of $$$ for it, it would be kind of hard to say no.

If a housing development goes in within earshot of a riding area, there isn't going to be any riding going on there much longer. Yet, mention electric dirt bike on this forum and there is an eruption of insults thrown around about electric bikes being stupid, Elon is a fraud, "I'm a badass because I like loud bikes", you're not "core", ect....people really do not get the big picture.

Thisusernameisavailable wrote:

Boom! I love your take on electric bikes, I couldn’t agree more. I’m always amazed at how unwelcoming toward electric bikes Moto people are- these bikes...

Boom! I love your take on electric bikes, I couldn’t agree more.
I’m always amazed at how unwelcoming toward electric bikes Moto people are- these bikes are going to allow you to do what you love you Morans!!

mattyhamz2 wrote:

No so fast there... Same thing I bring up every time someone says electric will allow all kinds of new riding areas..Not nearly as many as...

No so fast there...

Same thing I bring up every time someone says electric will allow all kinds of new riding areas..Not nearly as many as you think because of...

1) Dust. Even if places are kept watered, there is always that asshat that hates motorcycles, ICE or Electric, that is going to complain about his stuff getting dirty because of people riding.
2) Ground deterioration. One of the biggest complaints from environmental groups is what our bikes do to the ground. I had people in my area complain about off-roaders because they are ruining the poppies on the off-road trails...

Just because you eliminate sound and emissions, does not mean they won't find the next 5 things to complain about so we continue to get shut down.

mattyhamz2 wrote:

No so fast there... Same thing I bring up every time someone says electric will allow all kinds of new riding areas..Not nearly as many as...

No so fast there...

Same thing I bring up every time someone says electric will allow all kinds of new riding areas..Not nearly as many as you think because of...

1) Dust. Even if places are kept watered, there is always that asshat that hates motorcycles, ICE or Electric, that is going to complain about his stuff getting dirty because of people riding.
2) Ground deterioration. One of the biggest complaints from environmental groups is what our bikes do to the ground. I had people in my area complain about off-roaders because they are ruining the poppies on the off-road trails...

Just because you eliminate sound and emissions, does not mean they won't find the next 5 things to complain about so we continue to get shut down.

early wrote:

Dust control in the east is easier to deal with than in the west. Erosion is an issue but not that big of a deal on...

Dust control in the east is easier to deal with than in the west. Erosion is an issue but not that big of a deal on private land as long as it isn't affecting bodies of water. Sound is the most blatant issue, along with liability.

mattyhamz2 wrote:

No so fast there... Same thing I bring up every time someone says electric will allow all kinds of new riding areas..Not nearly as many as...

No so fast there...

Same thing I bring up every time someone says electric will allow all kinds of new riding areas..Not nearly as many as you think because of...

1) Dust. Even if places are kept watered, there is always that asshat that hates motorcycles, ICE or Electric, that is going to complain about his stuff getting dirty because of people riding.
2) Ground deterioration. One of the biggest complaints from environmental groups is what our bikes do to the ground. I had people in my area complain about off-roaders because they are ruining the poppies on the off-road trails...

Just because you eliminate sound and emissions, does not mean they won't find the next 5 things to complain about so we continue to get shut down.

early wrote:

Dust control in the east is easier to deal with than in the west. Erosion is an issue but not that big of a deal on...

Dust control in the east is easier to deal with than in the west. Erosion is an issue but not that big of a deal on private land as long as it isn't affecting bodies of water. Sound is the most blatant issue, along with liability.

STLSharky wrote:

smart fucking guy above....Electric solves nothing!

mattyhamz2 wrote:

No so fast there... Same thing I bring up every time someone says electric will allow all kinds of new riding areas..Not nearly as many as...

No so fast there...

Same thing I bring up every time someone says electric will allow all kinds of new riding areas..Not nearly as many as you think because of...

1) Dust. Even if places are kept watered, there is always that asshat that hates motorcycles, ICE or Electric, that is going to complain about his stuff getting dirty because of people riding.
2) Ground deterioration. One of the biggest complaints from environmental groups is what our bikes do to the ground. I had people in my area complain about off-roaders because they are ruining the poppies on the off-road trails...

Just because you eliminate sound and emissions, does not mean they won't find the next 5 things to complain about so we continue to get shut down.

early wrote:

Dust control in the east is easier to deal with than in the west. Erosion is an issue but not that big of a deal on...

Dust control in the east is easier to deal with than in the west. Erosion is an issue but not that big of a deal on private land as long as it isn't affecting bodies of water. Sound is the most blatant issue, along with liability.

STLSharky wrote:

smart fucking guy above....Electric solves nothing!

oldblood wrote:

I'm trying to get the kids to bed, and I have to work at 7, 2 hours away. So I'll keep it short. I would suggest...

I'm trying to get the kids to bed, and I have to work at 7, 2 hours away. So I'll keep it short.
I would suggest everyone watch 'On any Sunday ', especially the opening sequence. It promoted motorcycling as everyone's activity. Of course it presented pro's as the elete. But still obtainable.
The sport has evolved into it's own extinction.
I remember local races with multiple divisions, where now there are 5 on the gate. Something has been lost. The involvement of the average guy has deminished. Of course there are many reasons for this. But I believe that the 125 class is a way to keep many involved that otherwise would bail.
Watch On any Sunday and think about it.

dpingree101 wrote:

Yep years ago they built these bike and took them to LL to display. They had petitions there to see how many signatures they could get...

Yep years ago they built these bike and took them to LL to display. They had petitions there to see how many signatures they could get in support of it to take back to Japan. As you can imagine, people loved it. When I talked to Chris Wheeler about it, he said Japan just won’t move on it, despite calls from Stefan Everts when he was managing the Suzuki team in Europe. A Ray raved this bike at a two stroke race, as did another rider. It’s been floating around. Fingers crossed they do pull the trigger, but not holding my breath.