what's all this bullsheeit about james riding

BobbyM wrote:

or not riding the nats? sounds like horseshit to me...no not that he's riding but that he has no ride or he's getting the funds together...

or not riding the nats? sounds like horseshit to me...no not that he's riding but that he has no ride or he's getting the funds together blah blah blah.

Team Yamaha has a scooter and a slot, do they not with Langston out again?

There's the solution right in front of the their faces. That is if James WANTS to race for a title and without the 2 million bucks to give it a go.

I can see not racing if it's out of yer pocket but i can't see not wanting to race if there's hardly no money in it. Riding scooters is still the greatest thing in the world to even do for free....is it not?

Has the love of money denigrated the sport at this point....bummer.

LarryB wrote:

When L&M started I have always said “L&M is a Supercross only team”. We also do the US Open, X-Games, MXDN, possibly MX1 in Europe and...

When L&M started I have always said “L&M is a Supercross only team”. We also do the US Open, X-Games, MXDN, possibly MX1 in Europe and other high exposure events to try to gain more worldwide and mainstream media exposure for motorcycle racing by fielding the world’s best rider to get the media’s attention. Sometimes when the best rider doesn’t compete in these “high exposure” events the mainstream media doesn’t take the event serious and ask “why doesn’t the top rider races these events, are they not as important as Supercross”? But when the top rider does attend, it gives the events credibility, so then these events with their terrific media avenues get the coverage via television and print that will help our sport grow.

Speaking of outdoors, when we started the L&M team at the end of 2006 the outdoor series didn’t have the greatest TV package as a whole, the events have been raced a venues that needed to be upgraded (some venues, not all), the race day schedule had been the same since I can remember and I started racing professional in 1984 and needed some improvements. In short, the exposure was less than Supercross and we/L&M felt we would be better off by concentrating on the Supercross Championship and putting 100% into it and looking at other one off, high exposure events that would bring attention to our rider’s, are team, our sponsors and try to help build the sport of motorcycle racing. But all this seems to be changing for outdoors or trying to be improved in 2009 by the outdoor series promoter, MX Sport. They are taking a hard look at the venues, making short term improvements and saying long term improvements and/or venues changes are in the future, working on and creating a much improved television package and even changing the race day schedule to help the sport fit television better. Yes, all these are coming in 2009, but still unproven. Time will tell if the outdoor series will be better, actually in the next 4 months we will see what comes of all these changes and if the outdoor series will match what is being done in Supercross and the X-Games.

If MX Sport brings the outdoor series to the level it is trying to reach and all the changes brings the outdoor series to the level of Supercross (and we are hope they succeed) I’m not saying L&M wouldn’t revisit our decision to be a “Supercross only team”. It wouldn’t be very business smart to give up all that exposure, but only time will tell.

There are some very inventive and needed changes happening in the 2009 outdoor motocross series. All of us will be watching their progress closely and I know they will learn on the fly, but I’m glad there are people that broke the cookie cutter mold that we have seen over and over these past 30 plus years that brought the outdoor series to a position where they knew change was needed to grow and they stepped up and took control. Good for you and thank you. Support the outdoor motocross series as a race fan and get your friends to support it also (if they aren’t already) and motorcycle racing might make another leap forward. In this weak economy we had some very surprisingly strong attendance records for the Supercross series and I think the reason was the great battle we were treated to for the Championship and I hope we see the same type of racing go on in the motocross series, but let me tell you, if L&M was committed to do motocross in 2009 we would have had to take our focus off of Supercross halfway through that series and start thinking about, building parts and testing for motocross and we might not have won the 2009 Supercross Championship. I think you can see a little of what I’m talking about if you look at the final Supercross Championship points stands. There are two Supercross only rider and those two guys were 4 points apart and the end of 17 rounds and the third place rider was 107 points behind and he was the first Supercross/Motocross rider and the points were pretty close from there on back. Like I said in the beginning “if your focus is narrowed, the rider and the team have only one goal it will show at the end of the day and the end of the series”. The only proof we have of that are race wins and championship, but that enough proof, I think. For us it was Supercross, but I can imagine a team and/or rider could do the same in the outdoor series/motocross.

Have a great day and thanks for listening and sorry if I rambled on a bit.

Oh yea, James Stewart is one bad dude. 2009 SUPERCROSS CHAMPION!!!!!

LarryB wrote:

When L&M started I have always said “L&M is a Supercross only team”. We also do the US Open, X-Games, MXDN, possibly MX1 in Europe and...

When L&M started I have always said “L&M is a Supercross only team”. We also do the US Open, X-Games, MXDN, possibly MX1 in Europe and other high exposure events to try to gain more worldwide and mainstream media exposure for motorcycle racing by fielding the world’s best rider to get the media’s attention. Sometimes when the best rider doesn’t compete in these “high exposure” events the mainstream media doesn’t take the event serious and ask “why doesn’t the top rider races these events, are they not as important as Supercross”? But when the top rider does attend, it gives the events credibility, so then these events with their terrific media avenues get the coverage via television and print that will help our sport grow.

Speaking of outdoors, when we started the L&M team at the end of 2006 the outdoor series didn’t have the greatest TV package as a whole, the events have been raced a venues that needed to be upgraded (some venues, not all), the race day schedule had been the same since I can remember and I started racing professional in 1984 and needed some improvements. In short, the exposure was less than Supercross and we/L&M felt we would be better off by concentrating on the Supercross Championship and putting 100% into it and looking at other one off, high exposure events that would bring attention to our rider’s, are team, our sponsors and try to help build the sport of motorcycle racing. But all this seems to be changing for outdoors or trying to be improved in 2009 by the outdoor series promoter, MX Sport. They are taking a hard look at the venues, making short term improvements and saying long term improvements and/or venues changes are in the future, working on and creating a much improved television package and even changing the race day schedule to help the sport fit television better. Yes, all these are coming in 2009, but still unproven. Time will tell if the outdoor series will be better, actually in the next 4 months we will see what comes of all these changes and if the outdoor series will match what is being done in Supercross and the X-Games.

If MX Sport brings the outdoor series to the level it is trying to reach and all the changes brings the outdoor series to the level of Supercross (and we are hope they succeed) I’m not saying L&M wouldn’t revisit our decision to be a “Supercross only team”. It wouldn’t be very business smart to give up all that exposure, but only time will tell.

There are some very inventive and needed changes happening in the 2009 outdoor motocross series. All of us will be watching their progress closely and I know they will learn on the fly, but I’m glad there are people that broke the cookie cutter mold that we have seen over and over these past 30 plus years that brought the outdoor series to a position where they knew change was needed to grow and they stepped up and took control. Good for you and thank you. Support the outdoor motocross series as a race fan and get your friends to support it also (if they aren’t already) and motorcycle racing might make another leap forward. In this weak economy we had some very surprisingly strong attendance records for the Supercross series and I think the reason was the great battle we were treated to for the Championship and I hope we see the same type of racing go on in the motocross series, but let me tell you, if L&M was committed to do motocross in 2009 we would have had to take our focus off of Supercross halfway through that series and start thinking about, building parts and testing for motocross and we might not have won the 2009 Supercross Championship. I think you can see a little of what I’m talking about if you look at the final Supercross Championship points stands. There are two Supercross only rider and those two guys were 4 points apart and the end of 17 rounds and the third place rider was 107 points behind and he was the first Supercross/Motocross rider and the points were pretty close from there on back. Like I said in the beginning “if your focus is narrowed, the rider and the team have only one goal it will show at the end of the day and the end of the series”. The only proof we have of that are race wins and championship, but that enough proof, I think. For us it was Supercross, but I can imagine a team and/or rider could do the same in the outdoor series/motocross.

Have a great day and thanks for listening and sorry if I rambled on a bit.

Oh yea, James Stewart is one bad dude. 2009 SUPERCROSS CHAMPION!!!!!

BM255 wrote:

Thanks for the explanation Larry, it does make commercial sense and I'm sure anyone in a position who is responsible for maximising media exposure for their...

Thanks for the explanation Larry, it does make commercial sense and I'm sure anyone in a position who is responsible for maximising media exposure for their team and at the same time focusing on winning a championship would probably follow the same strategy. However it does pose the question of whether you should sit back and wait for others to promote and develop the outdoor series, and then when/if it gets higher exposure, jump onboard and take advantage. Or do you get involved and help the process by fielding the superstars?
Personally, I would want my rider/s to race both series, but if it came down to dollars and cents, and we could only do ourselves justice in one series, obviously it would have to be SX.
Again, thanks for the explanation and congratulations to you, James and the team for a fantastic championship win.

LarryB wrote:

When L&M started I have always said “L&M is a Supercross only team”. We also do the US Open, X-Games, MXDN, possibly MX1 in Europe and...

When L&M started I have always said “L&M is a Supercross only team”. We also do the US Open, X-Games, MXDN, possibly MX1 in Europe and other high exposure events to try to gain more worldwide and mainstream media exposure for motorcycle racing by fielding the world’s best rider to get the media’s attention. Sometimes when the best rider doesn’t compete in these “high exposure” events the mainstream media doesn’t take the event serious and ask “why doesn’t the top rider races these events, are they not as important as Supercross”? But when the top rider does attend, it gives the events credibility, so then these events with their terrific media avenues get the coverage via television and print that will help our sport grow.

Speaking of outdoors, when we started the L&M team at the end of 2006 the outdoor series didn’t have the greatest TV package as a whole, the events have been raced a venues that needed to be upgraded (some venues, not all), the race day schedule had been the same since I can remember and I started racing professional in 1984 and needed some improvements. In short, the exposure was less than Supercross and we/L&M felt we would be better off by concentrating on the Supercross Championship and putting 100% into it and looking at other one off, high exposure events that would bring attention to our rider’s, are team, our sponsors and try to help build the sport of motorcycle racing. But all this seems to be changing for outdoors or trying to be improved in 2009 by the outdoor series promoter, MX Sport. They are taking a hard look at the venues, making short term improvements and saying long term improvements and/or venues changes are in the future, working on and creating a much improved television package and even changing the race day schedule to help the sport fit television better. Yes, all these are coming in 2009, but still unproven. Time will tell if the outdoor series will be better, actually in the next 4 months we will see what comes of all these changes and if the outdoor series will match what is being done in Supercross and the X-Games.

If MX Sport brings the outdoor series to the level it is trying to reach and all the changes brings the outdoor series to the level of Supercross (and we are hope they succeed) I’m not saying L&M wouldn’t revisit our decision to be a “Supercross only team”. It wouldn’t be very business smart to give up all that exposure, but only time will tell.

There are some very inventive and needed changes happening in the 2009 outdoor motocross series. All of us will be watching their progress closely and I know they will learn on the fly, but I’m glad there are people that broke the cookie cutter mold that we have seen over and over these past 30 plus years that brought the outdoor series to a position where they knew change was needed to grow and they stepped up and took control. Good for you and thank you. Support the outdoor motocross series as a race fan and get your friends to support it also (if they aren’t already) and motorcycle racing might make another leap forward. In this weak economy we had some very surprisingly strong attendance records for the Supercross series and I think the reason was the great battle we were treated to for the Championship and I hope we see the same type of racing go on in the motocross series, but let me tell you, if L&M was committed to do motocross in 2009 we would have had to take our focus off of Supercross halfway through that series and start thinking about, building parts and testing for motocross and we might not have won the 2009 Supercross Championship. I think you can see a little of what I’m talking about if you look at the final Supercross Championship points stands. There are two Supercross only rider and those two guys were 4 points apart and the end of 17 rounds and the third place rider was 107 points behind and he was the first Supercross/Motocross rider and the points were pretty close from there on back. Like I said in the beginning “if your focus is narrowed, the rider and the team have only one goal it will show at the end of the day and the end of the series”. The only proof we have of that are race wins and championship, but that enough proof, I think. For us it was Supercross, but I can imagine a team and/or rider could do the same in the outdoor series/motocross.

Have a great day and thanks for listening and sorry if I rambled on a bit.

Oh yea, James Stewart is one bad dude. 2009 SUPERCROSS CHAMPION!!!!!

Crash82 wrote:

Thanks for feeding us some crap, I can skip breakfast now.......

crowe176 wrote:

The only part of that post that I actually believe Larry wrote was the bold text.

jtomasik wrote:

Jeez, Brooks writes like the team couldn't handle doing what so many others do, even with the fastest rider on the planet. If I was Stew...

Jeez, Brooks writes like the team couldn't handle doing what so many others do, even with the fastest rider on the planet.

If I was Stew, I'd look for a better team.

crowe176 wrote:

The only part of that post that I actually believe Larry wrote was the bold text.

mooch wrote:

lol....yep, I was thinking the exact same thing. The last minute question marks as to whether or not the top 2 SX guys will be riding...

lol....yep, I was thinking the exact same thing.

The last minute question marks as to whether or not the top 2 SX guys will be riding the outdoors gives a whole new meaning to the term silly season.

FreshTopEnd wrote:

[b]"When L&M started I have always said “L&M is a Supercross only team”. We also do the US Open, X-Games, MXDN, possibly MX1 in Europe and...

"When L&M started I have always said “L&M is a Supercross only team”. We also do the US Open, X-Games, MXDN, possibly MX1 in Europe and other high exposure events to try to gain more worldwide and mainstream media exposure for motorcycle racing by fielding the world’s best rider to get the media’s attention. Sometimes when the best rider doesn’t compete in these “high exposure” events the mainstream media doesn’t take the event serious and ask “why doesn’t the top rider races these events, are they not as important as Supercross”? But when the top rider does attend, it gives the events credibility, so then these events with their terrific media avenues get the coverage via television and print that will help our sport grow. "

What your saying is that L&M only participates in events that get heavy media attention, and events get heavy media attention because L&M participates. Larry, this is circular reasoning.

So, show up at the nationals so they get heavy media attention, which will justify L&M's participation. That was simple.

Look, explanations are better when kept simple. You built a team around sponsors who felt the exposure from SX was worth their investment, but the arguably lesser media exposure for the nationals didn't warrant them kicking in for that. That's a straight explanation that is understandable whether people like it or not.

It is also a sufficient and acceptable straight answer to say that a rider doesn't want to do this year round, whether people like it or not.

The notion that somehow the record of Stewart and Reed this year being so far ahead of riders running both series proves that it is necessary to run only SX is nonsense. Carmichael, Stewart and Reed have won the SX series and gone on to participate in the outdoor series with all the preparation and testing that goes with it. The reason that Stewart and Reed were so far ahead of everyone isn't because they didn't prep for the outdoors; it's because they are that much better than the others at SX whether they ride the outdoors or not.

racefan222 wrote:

Why all the James bashing cause he doesnt want to race the nationals ? Why no Reed or Windham bashing to go along with it than...

Why all the James bashing cause he doesnt want to race the nationals ? Why no Reed or Windham bashing to go along with it than? Neither of them are racing them, yet no one brings there names up. Hes not the first to have a SX only contract and he sure as hell wont be the last, face it the sport is changing were you'll have SX guys and you'll have MX guys and a few that'll run both but not many.

By the way, most riders contracts will say they arent allowed to race for a different team or do any other racing without permission. Do you guys think L&M wants to see James go out and risk a bad injury that could end his career cause he decided to fund his own team or ride for another team in the nationals..... highly doubt it.

racefan222 wrote:

Why all the James bashing cause he doesnt want to race the nationals ? Why no Reed or Windham bashing to go along with it than...

Why all the James bashing cause he doesnt want to race the nationals ? Why no Reed or Windham bashing to go along with it than? Neither of them are racing them, yet no one brings there names up. Hes not the first to have a SX only contract and he sure as hell wont be the last, face it the sport is changing were you'll have SX guys and you'll have MX guys and a few that'll run both but not many.

By the way, most riders contracts will say they arent allowed to race for a different team or do any other racing without permission. Do you guys think L&M wants to see James go out and risk a bad injury that could end his career cause he decided to fund his own team or ride for another team in the nationals..... highly doubt it.

SND wrote:

No Windham bashing becuz Windham WANTS to race the nats...and has been trying to line up a slot for him to ride the nats...He just hasn't...

No Windham bashing becuz Windham WANTS to race the nats...and has been trying to line up a slot for him to ride the nats...He just hasn't been given the opportunity to race them. He wants to in a big way...but his contract was for SX only.
Here's hoping something gets worked out. Kevin will be a great addition to the outdoor mix of top-talent.

BobbyM wrote:

or not riding the nats? sounds like horseshit to me...no not that he's riding but that he has no ride or he's getting the funds together...

or not riding the nats? sounds like horseshit to me...no not that he's riding but that he has no ride or he's getting the funds together blah blah blah.

Team Yamaha has a scooter and a slot, do they not with Langston out again?

There's the solution right in front of the their faces. That is if James WANTS to race for a title and without the 2 million bucks to give it a go.

I can see not racing if it's out of yer pocket but i can't see not wanting to race if there's hardly no money in it. Riding scooters is still the greatest thing in the world to even do for free....is it not?

Has the love of money denigrated the sport at this point....bummer.

Farva wrote:

People wonder why riders and team managers don't say it how it is...

Farva wrote:

People wonder why riders and team managers don't say it how it is...

Farva wrote:

People wonder why riders and team managers don't say it how it is...

Crash82 wrote:

Because they can't speak the truth?

Farva wrote:

People wonder why riders and team managers don't say it how it is...

Farva wrote:

People wonder why riders and team managers don't say it how it is...

txmxer wrote:

? Most of the responses have been reasoned and logical. Are you one of those that thinks people should kiss someone's ass because of who they...

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Most of the responses have been reasoned and logical. Are you one of those that thinks people should kiss someone's ass because of who they are?