Ebay find of the day (Dixon/Cosworth YZ250F legit race bike)

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Edited Date/Time 11/5/2019 2:53pm
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DIXON-YAMAHA-COSWORTH-YZF-250-EX-DEAN-FERRIS…

I had to post this bike that i found on Ebay earlier today. This is one hell of a cool bike!
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Thisusernameisavailable 11/5/2019 5:33am
11/5/2019 5:33am
It’s not as special as you might think- certainly not factory status. A friend of mine also bought one- might’ve been one of Zach’s at the time, 20011/2012 ish.
Pretty much everything can be bought over the counter to build it.
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twotwosix 11/5/2019 5:39am
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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
It’s not as special as you might think- certainly not factory status. A friend of mine also bought one- might’ve been one of Zach’s at the...
It’s not as special as you might think- certainly not factory status. A friend of mine also bought one- might’ve been one of Zach’s at the time, 20011/2012 ish.
Pretty much everything can be bought over the counter to build it.
It's still pretty cool man.
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misterwaterfallin 11/5/2019 7:18am
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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
It’s not as special as you might think- certainly not factory status. A friend of mine also bought one- might’ve been one of Zach’s at the...
It’s not as special as you might think- certainly not factory status. A friend of mine also bought one- might’ve been one of Zach’s at the time, 20011/2012 ish.
Pretty much everything can be bought over the counter to build it.
Not sure how the rules look over there but over here in the AMA you're supposed to be able to buy anything off of a lites class bike via whatever vendor/company is supplying it to the race teams. They do this to keep the costs down and try to make it more "fair"
Dirty Points 11/5/2019 7:55am
11/5/2019 7:55am Edited Date/Time 11/5/2019 7:58am
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
It’s not as special as you might think- certainly not factory status. A friend of mine also bought one- might’ve been one of Zach’s at the...
It’s not as special as you might think- certainly not factory status. A friend of mine also bought one- might’ve been one of Zach’s at the time, 20011/2012 ish.
Pretty much everything can be bought over the counter to build it.
misterwaterfallin wrote:
Not sure how the rules look over there but over here in the AMA you're supposed to be able to buy anything off of a lites...
Not sure how the rules look over there but over here in the AMA you're supposed to be able to buy anything off of a lites class bike via whatever vendor/company is supplying it to the race teams. They do this to keep the costs down and try to make it more "fair"
DRT is kind of an oddball in the industry as a whole. They are a satellite team, but have always done things completely their own way. With their relationship with Cosworth, at times they have built some of the oddest, most exotic bikes in the pits.

The Cosworth YZs were supposed to be absolutely firebreathers but the team was plagued by DNFs in that time frame.
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misterwaterfallin 11/5/2019 8:12am
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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
It’s not as special as you might think- certainly not factory status. A friend of mine also bought one- might’ve been one of Zach’s at the...
It’s not as special as you might think- certainly not factory status. A friend of mine also bought one- might’ve been one of Zach’s at the time, 20011/2012 ish.
Pretty much everything can be bought over the counter to build it.
misterwaterfallin wrote:
Not sure how the rules look over there but over here in the AMA you're supposed to be able to buy anything off of a lites...
Not sure how the rules look over there but over here in the AMA you're supposed to be able to buy anything off of a lites class bike via whatever vendor/company is supplying it to the race teams. They do this to keep the costs down and try to make it more "fair"
Dirty Points wrote:
DRT is kind of an oddball in the industry as a whole. They are a satellite team, but have always done things completely their own way...
DRT is kind of an oddball in the industry as a whole. They are a satellite team, but have always done things completely their own way. With their relationship with Cosworth, at times they have built some of the oddest, most exotic bikes in the pits.

The Cosworth YZs were supposed to be absolutely firebreathers but the team was plagued by DNFs in that time frame.
Cool to know, thanks. I'll have to check some of their kit out, anything Cosworth is usually pretty sweet
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tek14 11/5/2019 8:17am
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Thats one cool bike. 50hp+ and light weight is what we need.
Dirty Points 11/5/2019 8:27am
11/5/2019 8:27am Edited Date/Time 11/5/2019 8:38am
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
It’s not as special as you might think- certainly not factory status. A friend of mine also bought one- might’ve been one of Zach’s at the...
It’s not as special as you might think- certainly not factory status. A friend of mine also bought one- might’ve been one of Zach’s at the time, 20011/2012 ish.
Pretty much everything can be bought over the counter to build it.
I see a number of things that you wouldn't be able to source in this auction listing.

The pics are at this link:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2rhek94wor12wdu/AABtT6KtDRGxcxubwN0IbEUka?dl…
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motox11 11/5/2019 8:43am
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For some reason I was thinking Dixon converted their race bikes to efi in ‘13
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keinz 11/5/2019 8:45am
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If it's realy Dixons bike, enjoy your first 15 mins, because the engine lasts at least for so long. But this is the fastest 15 mins of your life on a 250F
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Question 11/5/2019 8:57am
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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
It’s not as special as you might think- certainly not factory status. A friend of mine also bought one- might’ve been one of Zach’s at the...
It’s not as special as you might think- certainly not factory status. A friend of mine also bought one- might’ve been one of Zach’s at the time, 20011/2012 ish.
Pretty much everything can be bought over the counter to build it.
misterwaterfallin wrote:
Not sure how the rules look over there but over here in the AMA you're supposed to be able to buy anything off of a lites...
Not sure how the rules look over there but over here in the AMA you're supposed to be able to buy anything off of a lites class bike via whatever vendor/company is supplying it to the race teams. They do this to keep the costs down and try to make it more "fair"
Dirty Points wrote:
DRT is kind of an oddball in the industry as a whole. They are a satellite team, but have always done things completely their own way...
DRT is kind of an oddball in the industry as a whole. They are a satellite team, but have always done things completely their own way. With their relationship with Cosworth, at times they have built some of the oddest, most exotic bikes in the pits.

The Cosworth YZs were supposed to be absolutely firebreathers but the team was plagued by DNFs in that time frame.
True about some dnf's, but just to have a look inside the engine must be something really cool for someone with good knowledge, with that bike i remember Ferris holeshoted 1 if not 2 mxdn motos in front of all the 450s !
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Jeremy Macbeth 11/5/2019 9:08am
11/5/2019 9:08am
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
It’s not as special as you might think- certainly not factory status. A friend of mine also bought one- might’ve been one of Zach’s at the...
It’s not as special as you might think- certainly not factory status. A friend of mine also bought one- might’ve been one of Zach’s at the time, 20011/2012 ish.
Pretty much everything can be bought over the counter to build it.
What is so "factory" about factory bikes these days any way?
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Bearuno 11/5/2019 9:29am
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The cynic within me thought, "well, it sure as hell won't have the 3 spd, 16,500 rpm Cosworth engine left in it......."

But, it appears to have just that. My goodness gracious, what a Trick thing.

It might be rather expensive to keep running, if you were capable of using it as it was designed to be used.

I think they'd got on top of reliabilty issues ( well, as much as you can with any full blown mid 50s HP 250F) by that final year of that long running engine type. Probably the most powerful carb'd 250f ever made. Then, they went into the first year of the EFI, Reverse Cylinder engine, and, like anything in it's early development phase ( especially when subjected to the Cosworth ethos) things became a bit 'iffy. I think we saw the same with the change over to Kawasakis, though, that seems to have settled down, too.

It will be interesting to see what it sells for.
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DRT 11/5/2019 12:16pm
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keinz wrote:
If it's realy Dixons bike, enjoy your first 15 mins, because the engine lasts at least for so long. But this is the fastest 15 mins...
If it's realy Dixons bike, enjoy your first 15 mins, because the engine lasts at least for so long. But this is the fastest 15 mins of your life on a 250F
That's a bit hash! considering I have been here in GP's 30 years and have taken more riders to their first win than any other team apart from KTM Factory, I haven't seen winners on slow bikes? how do you think, McFarlane, Mackenzie, Nunn, Anstie, Ferris, Tonus, Osborne got noticed, when Zach podiumed at 3 out of 4 SX on the 5 valve bike that everyone said was a turd? or who took the Yamaha reverse cylinder bike to its first GP victory? or what was the last Kawasaki to finish the season in a podium place with 10 wins and the holeshot award.
To be up against the factory KTM's on a small budget is not easy, nobody noticed how many DNF's Geerts had this year.
For some reason, and the same for Mitch, when things go wrong at the pointy end then we get so much crap. I would love to see you guys come and do what we do.
We are not here to finish down the order, that is the easy thing to do, but when you haven't got millions to have a test team a year ahead to prove everything out its very difficult. Try looking at the behind the scenes of Mercedes F1 and see the testing and rigs! if only!! but racing and engineering is my passion and we continue to push new boundaries to keep with KTM.
Luckily still after 30 years I love my job and do not worry about keyboard warriors that do not know the facts, but I'm not afraid of a bit of banterSmile
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4DAIVIPAI2K5 11/5/2019 12:58pm
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keinz wrote:
If it's realy Dixons bike, enjoy your first 15 mins, because the engine lasts at least for so long. But this is the fastest 15 mins...
If it's realy Dixons bike, enjoy your first 15 mins, because the engine lasts at least for so long. But this is the fastest 15 mins of your life on a 250F
DRT wrote:
That's a bit hash! considering I have been here in GP's 30 years and have taken more riders to their first win than any other team...
That's a bit hash! considering I have been here in GP's 30 years and have taken more riders to their first win than any other team apart from KTM Factory, I haven't seen winners on slow bikes? how do you think, McFarlane, Mackenzie, Nunn, Anstie, Ferris, Tonus, Osborne got noticed, when Zach podiumed at 3 out of 4 SX on the 5 valve bike that everyone said was a turd? or who took the Yamaha reverse cylinder bike to its first GP victory? or what was the last Kawasaki to finish the season in a podium place with 10 wins and the holeshot award.
To be up against the factory KTM's on a small budget is not easy, nobody noticed how many DNF's Geerts had this year.
For some reason, and the same for Mitch, when things go wrong at the pointy end then we get so much crap. I would love to see you guys come and do what we do.
We are not here to finish down the order, that is the easy thing to do, but when you haven't got millions to have a test team a year ahead to prove everything out its very difficult. Try looking at the behind the scenes of Mercedes F1 and see the testing and rigs! if only!! but racing and engineering is my passion and we continue to push new boundaries to keep with KTM.
Luckily still after 30 years I love my job and do not worry about keyboard warriors that do not know the facts, but I'm not afraid of a bit of banterSmile
Hells yeah. Keep doing what you're doing! Haters gonna hate.
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bayodome 11/5/2019 1:27pm
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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
It’s not as special as you might think- certainly not factory status. A friend of mine also bought one- might’ve been one of Zach’s at the...
It’s not as special as you might think- certainly not factory status. A friend of mine also bought one- might’ve been one of Zach’s at the time, 20011/2012 ish.
Pretty much everything can be bought over the counter to build it.
twotwosix wrote:
It's still pretty cool man.
Nope, you're wrong. Not special. Thisusernameisavailable said so. Obviously he knows everything and is the authority on all things objective and subjective.
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DRT wrote:
That's a bit hash! considering I have been here in GP's 30 years and have taken more riders to their first win than any other team...
That's a bit hash! considering I have been here in GP's 30 years and have taken more riders to their first win than any other team apart from KTM Factory, I haven't seen winners on slow bikes? how do you think, McFarlane, Mackenzie, Nunn, Anstie, Ferris, Tonus, Osborne got noticed, when Zach podiumed at 3 out of 4 SX on the 5 valve bike that everyone said was a turd? or who took the Yamaha reverse cylinder bike to its first GP victory? or what was the last Kawasaki to finish the season in a podium place with 10 wins and the holeshot award.
To be up against the factory KTM's on a small budget is not easy, nobody noticed how many DNF's Geerts had this year.
For some reason, and the same for Mitch, when things go wrong at the pointy end then we get so much crap. I would love to see you guys come and do what we do.
We are not here to finish down the order, that is the easy thing to do, but when you haven't got millions to have a test team a year ahead to prove everything out its very difficult. Try looking at the behind the scenes of Mercedes F1 and see the testing and rigs! if only!! but racing and engineering is my passion and we continue to push new boundaries to keep with KTM.
Luckily still after 30 years I love my job and do not worry about keyboard warriors that do not know the facts, but I'm not afraid of a bit of banterSmile
Keep up the good work Mr. Dixon. Your team is the most exciting in the paddock, and the only fourstrokers I really appreciate.
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philG 11/5/2019 1:41pm
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DRT wrote:
That's a bit hash! considering I have been here in GP's 30 years and have taken more riders to their first win than any other team...
That's a bit hash! considering I have been here in GP's 30 years and have taken more riders to their first win than any other team apart from KTM Factory, I haven't seen winners on slow bikes? how do you think, McFarlane, Mackenzie, Nunn, Anstie, Ferris, Tonus, Osborne got noticed, when Zach podiumed at 3 out of 4 SX on the 5 valve bike that everyone said was a turd? or who took the Yamaha reverse cylinder bike to its first GP victory? or what was the last Kawasaki to finish the season in a podium place with 10 wins and the holeshot award.
To be up against the factory KTM's on a small budget is not easy, nobody noticed how many DNF's Geerts had this year.
For some reason, and the same for Mitch, when things go wrong at the pointy end then we get so much crap. I would love to see you guys come and do what we do.
We are not here to finish down the order, that is the easy thing to do, but when you haven't got millions to have a test team a year ahead to prove everything out its very difficult. Try looking at the behind the scenes of Mercedes F1 and see the testing and rigs! if only!! but racing and engineering is my passion and we continue to push new boundaries to keep with KTM.
Luckily still after 30 years I love my job and do not worry about keyboard warriors that do not know the facts, but I'm not afraid of a bit of banterSmile
I wish we could have done something with you when I was at Ilmor, but I guess the lack of commercial viability scuppered it. I wonder how many MX pistons Cosworth sell now.
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Beeby 11/5/2019 2:05pm
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keinz wrote:
If it's realy Dixons bike, enjoy your first 15 mins, because the engine lasts at least for so long. But this is the fastest 15 mins...
If it's realy Dixons bike, enjoy your first 15 mins, because the engine lasts at least for so long. But this is the fastest 15 mins of your life on a 250F
DRT wrote:
That's a bit hash! considering I have been here in GP's 30 years and have taken more riders to their first win than any other team...
That's a bit hash! considering I have been here in GP's 30 years and have taken more riders to their first win than any other team apart from KTM Factory, I haven't seen winners on slow bikes? how do you think, McFarlane, Mackenzie, Nunn, Anstie, Ferris, Tonus, Osborne got noticed, when Zach podiumed at 3 out of 4 SX on the 5 valve bike that everyone said was a turd? or who took the Yamaha reverse cylinder bike to its first GP victory? or what was the last Kawasaki to finish the season in a podium place with 10 wins and the holeshot award.
To be up against the factory KTM's on a small budget is not easy, nobody noticed how many DNF's Geerts had this year.
For some reason, and the same for Mitch, when things go wrong at the pointy end then we get so much crap. I would love to see you guys come and do what we do.
We are not here to finish down the order, that is the easy thing to do, but when you haven't got millions to have a test team a year ahead to prove everything out its very difficult. Try looking at the behind the scenes of Mercedes F1 and see the testing and rigs! if only!! but racing and engineering is my passion and we continue to push new boundaries to keep with KTM.
Luckily still after 30 years I love my job and do not worry about keyboard warriors that do not know the facts, but I'm not afraid of a bit of banterSmile
Steve, I am sure I read an article about those bikes going to Cosworth and coming back from them with a bag of parts they said were not needed, was that true or did I dream it up?

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DRT 11/5/2019 2:32pm
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DRT wrote:
That's a bit hash! considering I have been here in GP's 30 years and have taken more riders to their first win than any other team...
That's a bit hash! considering I have been here in GP's 30 years and have taken more riders to their first win than any other team apart from KTM Factory, I haven't seen winners on slow bikes? how do you think, McFarlane, Mackenzie, Nunn, Anstie, Ferris, Tonus, Osborne got noticed, when Zach podiumed at 3 out of 4 SX on the 5 valve bike that everyone said was a turd? or who took the Yamaha reverse cylinder bike to its first GP victory? or what was the last Kawasaki to finish the season in a podium place with 10 wins and the holeshot award.
To be up against the factory KTM's on a small budget is not easy, nobody noticed how many DNF's Geerts had this year.
For some reason, and the same for Mitch, when things go wrong at the pointy end then we get so much crap. I would love to see you guys come and do what we do.
We are not here to finish down the order, that is the easy thing to do, but when you haven't got millions to have a test team a year ahead to prove everything out its very difficult. Try looking at the behind the scenes of Mercedes F1 and see the testing and rigs! if only!! but racing and engineering is my passion and we continue to push new boundaries to keep with KTM.
Luckily still after 30 years I love my job and do not worry about keyboard warriors that do not know the facts, but I'm not afraid of a bit of banterSmile
philG wrote:
I wish we could have done something with you when I was at Ilmor, but I guess the lack of commercial viability scuppered it. I wonder...
I wish we could have done something with you when I was at Ilmor, but I guess the lack of commercial viability scuppered it. I wonder how many MX pistons Cosworth sell now.
Yes I remember looking at that engine for McWilliams ! the engineering talent that is in the UK is outstanding, but the cost for the likes of myself to use you guys/Cosworth is way oo high.
If only we could afford the R & D time it would cure so much but unless you are a year ahead and developing behind the scenes then you will always have to play catch up at the races.
Plus we have to be content with using the std castings, unlike a full factory effort where you have access to making cases stronger and less prone to moving under higher heat/pressure, that I would say is one of the biggest battles when gaining power from production parts.
That video of Merc on their race website is amazing and that is just the crumbs that they can show the public.
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keinz wrote:
If it's realy Dixons bike, enjoy your first 15 mins, because the engine lasts at least for so long. But this is the fastest 15 mins...
If it's realy Dixons bike, enjoy your first 15 mins, because the engine lasts at least for so long. But this is the fastest 15 mins of your life on a 250F
DRT wrote:
That's a bit hash! considering I have been here in GP's 30 years and have taken more riders to their first win than any other team...
That's a bit hash! considering I have been here in GP's 30 years and have taken more riders to their first win than any other team apart from KTM Factory, I haven't seen winners on slow bikes? how do you think, McFarlane, Mackenzie, Nunn, Anstie, Ferris, Tonus, Osborne got noticed, when Zach podiumed at 3 out of 4 SX on the 5 valve bike that everyone said was a turd? or who took the Yamaha reverse cylinder bike to its first GP victory? or what was the last Kawasaki to finish the season in a podium place with 10 wins and the holeshot award.
To be up against the factory KTM's on a small budget is not easy, nobody noticed how many DNF's Geerts had this year.
For some reason, and the same for Mitch, when things go wrong at the pointy end then we get so much crap. I would love to see you guys come and do what we do.
We are not here to finish down the order, that is the easy thing to do, but when you haven't got millions to have a test team a year ahead to prove everything out its very difficult. Try looking at the behind the scenes of Mercedes F1 and see the testing and rigs! if only!! but racing and engineering is my passion and we continue to push new boundaries to keep with KTM.
Luckily still after 30 years I love my job and do not worry about keyboard warriors that do not know the facts, but I'm not afraid of a bit of banterSmile
Beeby wrote:
Steve, I am sure I read an article about those bikes going to Cosworth and coming back from them with a bag of parts they said...
Steve, I am sure I read an article about those bikes going to Cosworth and coming back from them with a bag of parts they said were not needed, was that true or did I dream it up?
I can't remember, I'm always dreamingSmile
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DRT 11/5/2019 2:53pm
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/11/05/383343/s1200_5FCD2C42_AB86_46F5_BAB2_ED8C1A1F5278.jpg[/img]

As I said alway trying to do more in every area! Just some of the behind the scenes at my workshop
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philG 11/5/2019 3:21pm
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Yes I remember looking at that engine for McWilliams ! the engineering talent that is in the UK is outstanding, but the cost for the likes...
Yes I remember looking at that engine for McWilliams ! the engineering talent that is in the UK is outstanding, but the cost for the likes of myself to use you guys/Cosworth is way oo high.
If only we could afford the R & D time it would cure so much but unless you are a year ahead and developing behind the scenes then you will always have to play catch up at the races.
Plus we have to be content with using the std castings, unlike a full factory effort where you have access to making cases stronger and less prone to moving under higher heat/pressure, that I would say is one of the biggest battles when gaining power from production parts.
That video of Merc on their race website is amazing and that is just the crumbs that they can show the public.
Yes, its amazing how easy it is to do with a bottomless pit of someone elses money.. When we split up from Mercedes, we got all the commercial and R&D work. Our MotoGP bike was screwed over by a chassis made out of the wrong thickness material , and a switch-like fly by wire throttle, both of which were easy fixes, if they had actually acknowledged the problem but that's what happens when car people try to do bikes.


Doc Wob got cases done for his YZ250 Builds for Farleigh, loads of places that can do the machining, which i know is only half the battle, but even compared to 5 years ago , rates are coming down as capacity is increasing. .
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cesar_rc4 11/5/2019 3:34pm
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DRT wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/11/05/383343/s1200_5FCD2C42_AB86_46F5_BAB2_ED8C1A1F5278.jpg[/img]

Your bikes are simply amazing.... i was at mxon in teuschental in 2013 and i could watch ferris bike all day long, amazing work on every part and it has some power. Two holeshot that day if im not mistaken.
Can you show some more photos steve?

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