Tomac, AC and Kawasaki vindicated?

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Edited Date/Time 10/8/2019 7:35am
While the debate still rages about rider participation and results and costs, the Anderson/ Cooper crash

is wholly ignored. I submit it's the most important. While I decry the Tomac/AC/Kawasaki decision, it

seems shrewd and exactly right. Let's say(for a minute) that Anderson tore a knee and Cooper had a career

ending injury. The debate would then be - we shouldn't send anyone to these dangerous events. These

are multi-million dollar decisions. Bottom line stuff as in profit, Corporate. Don't think so? It is.
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Seems a bit early to be hitting the sauce.
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10/6/2019 5:11am
Vindication by not even trying?? Might be the first time in history. If we were in the midst of a win streak those guys would be traitors, but because we’re in a drought it’s apparently alright to not even try.
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I bet there are a lot of countries not spending 300k to go.
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What you're saying is Tomac and AC should never leave home on any other occasion than to go racing? I mean, it's a dangerous world out there... Silly
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But the MEC is OK?
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Crush wrote:
I bet there are a lot of countries not spending 300k to go.
Sure thing...the contenders, apart from us, are based in Europe...
One year on this side (North/South America) of the pond one year on that side (UK/Europe/Asia)..we will see how long it takes for the other teams and countries to start bitching about costs of attending this event too...
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Spending a month riding tracks they will never ride here is the bigger issue.

If having fun doing something different in your training is a way to stay energized then they missed out.
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10/6/2019 6:15am
Crush wrote:
I bet there are a lot of countries not spending 300k to go.
seventeen wrote:
Sure thing...the contenders, apart from us, are based in Europe... One year on this side (North/South America) of the pond one year on that side (UK/Europe/Asia)..we...
Sure thing...the contenders, apart from us, are based in Europe...
One year on this side (North/South America) of the pond one year on that side (UK/Europe/Asia)..we will see how long it takes for the other teams and countries to start bitching about costs of attending this event too...
Australia and New Zealand are not in Europe.
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I think what the OP is trying to say is that true love is blind.
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10/6/2019 6:23am Edited Date/Time 10/6/2019 6:25am
Crush wrote:
I bet there are a lot of countries not spending 300k to go.
seventeen wrote:
Sure thing...the contenders, apart from us, are based in Europe... One year on this side (North/South America) of the pond one year on that side (UK/Europe/Asia)..we...
Sure thing...the contenders, apart from us, are based in Europe...
One year on this side (North/South America) of the pond one year on that side (UK/Europe/Asia)..we will see how long it takes for the other teams and countries to start bitching about costs of attending this event too...
I’d bet a lot didn’t spend 300k to come to Red Bud.

My point being, it’s a real cunt of an argument on one hand saying “move the date” or “it’s not the same without us” but also playing pauper AND sending every Tom, Dick and Harry that knows a mechanics Sister as part of the team.
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ando wrote:
But the MEC is OK?
$$ and contracted race.
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Turbojez wrote:
What you're saying is Tomac and AC should never leave home on any other occasion than to go racing? I mean, it's a dangerous world out...
What you're saying is Tomac and AC should never leave home on any other occasion than to go racing? I mean, it's a dangerous world out there... Silly
yer missing his point. leaving home to risk a career ending injury with no compensation....correct.


there is 0 money in it for anyone except the promoter. and you blame the riders for not wanting to go. "go for pride"...is great but when the risk is high, needs to be compensation.....as we seen this year or when anderson got landed on. career ending stuff can and will happen.

these guys refusing to go, but ride monster cup...well duh. they make a lot of money at monster cup. not rocket science here.
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TexasVet wrote:
While the debate still rages about rider participation and results and costs, the Anderson/ Cooper crash is wholly ignored. I submit it's the most important. While...
While the debate still rages about rider participation and results and costs, the Anderson/ Cooper crash

is wholly ignored. I submit it's the most important. While I decry the Tomac/AC/Kawasaki decision, it

seems shrewd and exactly right. Let's say(for a minute) that Anderson tore a knee and Cooper had a career

ending injury. The debate would then be - we shouldn't send anyone to these dangerous events. These

are multi-million dollar decisions. Bottom line stuff as in profit, Corporate. Don't think so? It is.
I think your enter button has a certain sticky substance holding it down causing new paragraphs randomly.
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10/6/2019 11:10pm
Really??? I know they would have done things differently but look at the reaction of all the fans to team USA this year. This shows the effort was really appreciated.
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Crush wrote:
I bet there are a lot of countries not spending 300k to go.
Guaranteed Estonia isnt spending $300k and they've beaten us 2/3 years.
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ando wrote:
But the MEC is OK?
mxb2 wrote:
$$ and contracted race.
Easy with the facts.

OP is right. Coopers hand is broken. Could have been worse.
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OP, please stop doing this.

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What if Roczen's bike bogged on the face of one of the jumps at RBSR and he shitfaced into the ground exploding his other arm. You can't live your life on "what if's." Shame on Kawasaki for abandoning the MXON. Although I preferred the team we sent anyways. If a statement needs to be made in regards to the discrepancies towards the MXON it should be a unified effort, but 300k and an entourage of 60 peeps seems a little excessive. Maybe changes need to be made on both sides. This race is still relevant.
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What if Roczen's bike bogged on the face of one of the jumps at RBSR and he shitfaced into the ground exploding his other arm. You...
What if Roczen's bike bogged on the face of one of the jumps at RBSR and he shitfaced into the ground exploding his other arm. You can't live your life on "what if's." Shame on Kawasaki for abandoning the MXON. Although I preferred the team we sent anyways. If a statement needs to be made in regards to the discrepancies towards the MXON it should be a unified effort, but 300k and an entourage of 60 peeps seems a little excessive. Maybe changes need to be made on both sides. This race is still relevant.
What part of “supercross wins and titles are more important than mxon” do you guys not understand?
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Crush wrote:
I bet there are a lot of countries not spending 300k to go.
seventeen wrote:
Sure thing...the contenders, apart from us, are based in Europe... One year on this side (North/South America) of the pond one year on that side (UK/Europe/Asia)..we...
Sure thing...the contenders, apart from us, are based in Europe...
One year on this side (North/South America) of the pond one year on that side (UK/Europe/Asia)..we will see how long it takes for the other teams and countries to start bitching about costs of attending this event too...
Crush wrote:
I’d bet a lot didn’t spend 300k to come to Red Bud. My point being, it’s a real cunt of an argument on one hand saying...
I’d bet a lot didn’t spend 300k to come to Red Bud.

My point being, it’s a real cunt of an argument on one hand saying “move the date” or “it’s not the same without us” but also playing pauper AND sending every Tom, Dick and Harry that knows a mechanics Sister as part of the team.
Most of these people (the who the hell are they?) go on their own dime and the "team gear" is easily purchased through the AMA...so you see those whom appear to be team members are just along for the ride.
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Crush wrote:
I bet there are a lot of countries not spending 300k to go.
seventeen wrote:
Sure thing...the contenders, apart from us, are based in Europe... One year on this side (North/South America) of the pond one year on that side (UK/Europe/Asia)..we...
Sure thing...the contenders, apart from us, are based in Europe...
One year on this side (North/South America) of the pond one year on that side (UK/Europe/Asia)..we will see how long it takes for the other teams and countries to start bitching about costs of attending this event too...
Downunder wrote:
Australia and New Zealand are not in Europe.
Yes I know...I said Contenders not flashes in the pan...
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seventeen wrote:
Sure thing...the contenders, apart from us, are based in Europe... One year on this side (North/South America) of the pond one year on that side (UK/Europe/Asia)..we...
Sure thing...the contenders, apart from us, are based in Europe...
One year on this side (North/South America) of the pond one year on that side (UK/Europe/Asia)..we will see how long it takes for the other teams and countries to start bitching about costs of attending this event too...
Crush wrote:
I’d bet a lot didn’t spend 300k to come to Red Bud. My point being, it’s a real cunt of an argument on one hand saying...
I’d bet a lot didn’t spend 300k to come to Red Bud.

My point being, it’s a real cunt of an argument on one hand saying “move the date” or “it’s not the same without us” but also playing pauper AND sending every Tom, Dick and Harry that knows a mechanics Sister as part of the team.
seventeen wrote:
Most of these people (the who the hell are they?) go on their own dime and the "team gear" is easily purchased through the AMA...so you...
Most of these people (the who the hell are they?) go on their own dime and the "team gear" is easily purchased through the AMA...so you see those whom appear to be team members are just along for the ride.
Ok... so again. DeCoster is saying 300k. That’s ridiculous. It can’t be a deterrent whilst getting beaten by teams who don’t do it or need it.
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Then never swing a leg across a bike because each time it's the same risk,you be zero money for lap after lap on practice tracks during he week
It's about who wants to go and what it means,I have a ton of respect for the guys that did
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10/7/2019 5:27am Edited Date/Time 10/7/2019 5:29am
peltier626 wrote:
What if Roczen's bike bogged on the face of one of the jumps at RBSR and he shitfaced into the ground exploding his other arm. You...
What if Roczen's bike bogged on the face of one of the jumps at RBSR and he shitfaced into the ground exploding his other arm. You can't live your life on "what if's." Shame on Kawasaki for abandoning the MXON. Although I preferred the team we sent anyways. If a statement needs to be made in regards to the discrepancies towards the MXON it should be a unified effort, but 300k and an entourage of 60 peeps seems a little excessive. Maybe changes need to be made on both sides. This race is still relevant.
kb228 wrote:
What part of “supercross wins and titles are more important than mxon” do you guys not understand?
Obviously Husqvarna, Yamaha, Jason Anderson, Zack Osborne and Justin Cooper "understand".
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peltier626 wrote:
What if Roczen's bike bogged on the face of one of the jumps at RBSR and he shitfaced into the ground exploding his other arm. You...
What if Roczen's bike bogged on the face of one of the jumps at RBSR and he shitfaced into the ground exploding his other arm. You can't live your life on "what if's." Shame on Kawasaki for abandoning the MXON. Although I preferred the team we sent anyways. If a statement needs to be made in regards to the discrepancies towards the MXON it should be a unified effort, but 300k and an entourage of 60 peeps seems a little excessive. Maybe changes need to be made on both sides. This race is still relevant.
kb228 wrote:
What part of “supercross wins and titles are more important than mxon” do you guys not understand?
peltier626 wrote:
Obviously Husqvarna, Yamaha, Jason Anderson, Zack Osborne and Justin Cooper "understand".
Husky won an sx title recently. So did star yamaha.

Kawasaki has lost 3 or 4 450 titles in a row that they SHOULD have won and 2 250 titles this year alone. Look at their roster from the last few years. On paper, its arguably the strongest rosters from the 450s on down which = big money.

Its a bigger deal if it was eli tomac that broke his hand or got full blown landed on than justin cooper.

And as mentioned earlier, monster cup is a contracted race that the riders have to be healthy for.

Thats the facts.
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TexasVet wrote:
While the debate still rages about rider participation and results and costs, the Anderson/ Cooper crash is wholly ignored. I submit it's the most important. While...
While the debate still rages about rider participation and results and costs, the Anderson/ Cooper crash

is wholly ignored. I submit it's the most important. While I decry the Tomac/AC/Kawasaki decision, it

seems shrewd and exactly right. Let's say(for a minute) that Anderson tore a knee and Cooper had a career

ending injury. The debate would then be - we shouldn't send anyone to these dangerous events. These

are multi-million dollar decisions. Bottom line stuff as in profit, Corporate. Don't think so? It is.
Screw that.

I really thought 3 was gonna go over there a shoot for redemption, but I guess not.

Thing is, he's lucky he didn't. That track and conditions that day were a repeat of Red Bud.

As long as we run on prime, manicured, almost cookie cut tracks here in the States, it's gonna be hard to win the MXON imo.

Those guys, the GP guys, unlike days of yore, run all over the world, on some of the shittiest tracks known to man. They are used to the unkown, they accept the sub par conditions, deal with it and move on. And they have gotten good at it.

We, on the other hand, need our tracks perfect, like the GP tracks used to be. We need to run on Saturday because, well, the wife wants us home trimming the grass on Sunday. Most all industry need or expect to fly everywhere, snd have someone telling them what to eat and how to live.

All the while those over the pond are racing in some primitive rain forest, on a track that wouldn't meet district level requirements.

I dunno.

Maybe make the guys that accept to ride for the flag
run the last GPs after our Nationals are over.
No freaking break. No Amsterdam, no hanging out
chasing whatever. Stay in race shape, get used to those guys and their speed in actual race conditions.

Or maybe just wait for the event to come here again,
and the Sun to shine that weekend, on a track every American team knows like the back of their hand.

And run it on Saturday.

Maybe then.
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Mud races are wild cards and it takes more than one rider it takes a team. Redbud Tomac on a new bike in those conditions with bad starts still had decent finishes.
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kb228 wrote:
What part of “supercross wins and titles are more important than mxon” do you guys not understand?
peltier626 wrote:
Obviously Husqvarna, Yamaha, Jason Anderson, Zack Osborne and Justin Cooper "understand".
kb228 wrote:
Husky won an sx title recently. So did star yamaha. Kawasaki has lost 3 or 4 450 titles in a row that they SHOULD have won...
Husky won an sx title recently. So did star yamaha.

Kawasaki has lost 3 or 4 450 titles in a row that they SHOULD have won and 2 250 titles this year alone. Look at their roster from the last few years. On paper, its arguably the strongest rosters from the 450s on down which = big money.

Its a bigger deal if it was eli tomac that broke his hand or got full blown landed on than justin cooper.

And as mentioned earlier, monster cup is a contracted race that the riders have to be healthy for.

Thats the facts.
Easy on facts lol,. People like to tell others how to live their life and spend their $$. Kawy wants a sx title, not hard to figure out. Tomac has raced 3 mxon, but i guess thats not enough. People talk shit when he races them, then he doesnt go, people still mad. Lol. Ok.
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10/7/2019 8:22am
PressPassP wrote:
Then never swing a leg across a bike because each time it's the same risk,you be zero money for lap after lap on practice tracks during...
Then never swing a leg across a bike because each time it's the same risk,you be zero money for lap after lap on practice tracks during he week
It's about who wants to go and what it means,I have a ton of respect for the guys that did
Actually they get paid a salary to ride during the week and practice for their contracted races, one of which appears to not be MXoN. Just sayin’.
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PressPassP wrote:
Then never swing a leg across a bike because each time it's the same risk,you be zero money for lap after lap on practice tracks during...
Then never swing a leg across a bike because each time it's the same risk,you be zero money for lap after lap on practice tracks during he week
It's about who wants to go and what it means,I have a ton of respect for the guys that did
Actually they get paid a salary to ride during the week and practice for their contracted races, one of which appears to not be MXoN. Just...
Actually they get paid a salary to ride during the week and practice for their contracted races, one of which appears to not be MXoN. Just sayin’.
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