Justin Hill 2020 ??

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9/13/2019 4:25am
I don’t get it! Why doesn’t someone put him on a performance only salary? He’s proved he’s got speed. He’s also proved he can’t be bothered...
I don’t get it! Why doesn’t someone put him on a performance only salary?

He’s proved he’s got speed. He’s also proved he can’t be bothered. Something needs to change or another team will get bitten.
Do we know for a fact he wasn’t on a performance salary with JGR? I would have all riders on a performance salary, I wouldn’t be paying you a dime to be slacking.
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I don´t know why you guys are comparing Deano to Hill.

Deano is a hard worker with lots of bad luck. He gets injured so much but keeps working and claws his way back to the top time and time again. He has twice now, without blinking, decided to privateer it up at the start of a season to earn his way back to a factory ride, and he succeeded both times. He´s a working class hero if I ever saw one.

Justin Hill is a super talent with the natural ability to be a great champion, but is just so unfocused and blind to the effort that is needed of him to be a top guy. All i hear is just whining and this and that and the "I need to be better, I need to be stronger" type of statements over and over but he doesnt do jack shit about it. He´s still that guy who skips the night show because of injury but later goes to clubs in the evening, playing his music or whatever.

They are miles apart in my book and I´d hire a hard worker like Deano any day over a "slacker" like Justin.
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9/13/2019 4:50am
If Rumors of a job offer from MCR are true, doesn't that team pay based mostly on performance? I thought I remember hearing that before.

I got the impression that JGR was a fat salary ($500k?) with small performance bonuses. Hill seems to be the kind of rider that needs a tiny salary with HUGE bonuses to keep him motivated.

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9/13/2019 5:17am
He needs to just hang out with his brother and not waste another teams time and money.
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9/13/2019 5:21am
Can't imagine why any team would take Hill if Savatgy was still available.
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9/13/2019 6:04am
Why are you guys harshing so bad on a young guy who has a life outside of Moto.... this is what is so wrong with the sport. The Ricky’s, Eli’s, etc ruined it. These young dudes literally have to be on the job 24/7 and god forbid they go to a bar and it gets posted.

People like hill, hansen, jlaw, bogle, are what I want to see more of. It’s a job dude. 5 days work, clock out and enjoy 2 off. Hit a bar after mid week practice, play guitar, whatever. I can’t believe he gets so much crap for having a separate hobby. He still puts up good results. I don’t think any sport is as demanding as Moto. It’s sad.
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Why are you guys harshing so bad on a young guy who has a life outside of Moto.... this is what is so wrong with the...
Why are you guys harshing so bad on a young guy who has a life outside of Moto.... this is what is so wrong with the sport. The Ricky’s, Eli’s, etc ruined it. These young dudes literally have to be on the job 24/7 and god forbid they go to a bar and it gets posted.

People like hill, hansen, jlaw, bogle, are what I want to see more of. It’s a job dude. 5 days work, clock out and enjoy 2 off. Hit a bar after mid week practice, play guitar, whatever. I can’t believe he gets so much crap for having a separate hobby. He still puts up good results. I don’t think any sport is as demanding as Moto. It’s sad.
I think I somewhat agree with your post. They do make a ton of money for basically working a hobby, but i’m assuming it’s nothing close to what MLB, NFL, NHL, etc are racking in. Those athletes get more time off and come in on spring or fall training and preseason. Moto works extremely hard for their money and recognition for their skills. No doubt. I would however prefer to see Hill following ET3’s method of relaxing by digging fence posts on a ranch on his time off, rather than going to bars. Lol! But hey, what do I know, i’m old and broken, not young and dumb anymore.
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9/13/2019 6:30am
I can't believe MCR would sign him. There are so many other guys out there who have proven their worth on the daily. And he is so far from "being the man" it isn't even funny. I mean, come on. If MCR drinks this koolaid colour me disappointed.
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I think I somewhat agree with your post. They do make a ton of money for basically working a hobby, but i’m assuming it’s nothing close...
I think I somewhat agree with your post. They do make a ton of money for basically working a hobby, but i’m assuming it’s nothing close to what MLB, NFL, NHL, etc are racking in. Those athletes get more time off and come in on spring or fall training and preseason. Moto works extremely hard for their money and recognition for their skills. No doubt. I would however prefer to see Hill following ET3’s method of relaxing by digging fence posts on a ranch on his time off, rather than going to bars. Lol! But hey, what do I know, i’m old and broken, not young and dumb anymore.
I honestly don’t think motocross is fun to these guys at the level they’re at. Take James Stewart as a prime example. That guy is basically disgusted by even the smell of dirt bikes and his own home track at this point. Not saying they hate every aspect, but it isn’t fun as we think going to ride on a weekend is.
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9/13/2019 6:59am Edited Date/Time 9/13/2019 7:05am
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I honestly don’t think motocross is fun to these guys at the level they’re at. Take James Stewart as a prime example. That guy is basically...
I honestly don’t think motocross is fun to these guys at the level they’re at. Take James Stewart as a prime example. That guy is basically disgusted by even the smell of dirt bikes and his own home track at this point. Not saying they hate every aspect, but it isn’t fun as we think going to ride on a weekend is.
True and the whole thing about playing a guitar in a bar after a race, it’s not like he got arrested for a DUI or evaded the law or anything. I’ve seen plenty of media feeds of other pro athletes doing just that. They make 4 times the money he does annually at minimum. These moto guys are young men who have been doing it since they were 3 or 4. Most of them probably forced into it at that age. Let them be.
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Not taking anything away from the top guys who put everything they have and who they are into it. I do enjoy watching their raw talent and speed. Especially in person. It’s awesome!
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9/13/2019 7:18am Edited Date/Time 9/13/2019 7:18am
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I can't believe MCR would sign him. There are so many other guys out there who have proven their worth on the daily. And he is...
I can't believe MCR would sign him. There are so many other guys out there who have proven their worth on the daily. And he is so far from "being the man" it isn't even funny. I mean, come on. If MCR drinks this koolaid colour me disappointed.
Wich guys? Only guy who could do better is Savatgy and who is most likely looking for a sx/mx ride.

The reason why teams are looking after Hill because he is a past champion with allot of raw speed. They hope to get that speed back on track and when it does, you have a race like Tampa 450. Thats where there shopping/hoping for. And some Top10/15 results are not that bad for a team like MCR.

Let him do his West Coast thing and he will be more then allright
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bents wrote:
I can't believe MCR would sign him. There are so many other guys out there who have proven their worth on the daily. And he is...
I can't believe MCR would sign him. There are so many other guys out there who have proven their worth on the daily. And he is so far from "being the man" it isn't even funny. I mean, come on. If MCR drinks this koolaid colour me disappointed.
Bidirella wrote:
Wich guys? Only guy who could do better is Savatgy and who is most likely looking for a sx/mx ride. The reason why teams are looking...
Wich guys? Only guy who could do better is Savatgy and who is most likely looking for a sx/mx ride.

The reason why teams are looking after Hill because he is a past champion with allot of raw speed. They hope to get that speed back on track and when it does, you have a race like Tampa 450. Thats where there shopping/hoping for. And some Top10/15 results are not that bad for a team like MCR.

Let him do his West Coast thing and he will be more then allright
It's not about which guy could do better. It's about getting a ROI.

In this case, Davalos could most likely put in the same kind of results that Hill has been putting in for less money. In my opinion, that would be a better signing.
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MCR might be a good fit. Hill is not an outdoor guy. The JGR Suzuki was a ball and chain.
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MCR might be a good fit. Hill is not an outdoor guy. The JGR Suzuki was a ball and chain.
It was a factory Suzuki. For all intents and purposes a bike that Roczen won 6 SX and 20 motos of outdoors on in 2016. Don't try to give Hill some leeway on the bike. The bike was not the problem. JFC.

For everyone saying, oh man he should be able to have a life and be a pro racer. Well, it ain't the 90s anymore. The top guys take this sport 100% all the time. Hill was being paid like a top guy (to some degree) and giving it 75% effort. Either he sacks up and does the work, or he is out of a ride by 2021. Plenty of other guys willing to do the work, show up on race day ready to go, and represent the sponsor better than what Hill is giving them.
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MCR might be a good fit. Hill is not an outdoor guy. The JGR Suzuki was a ball and chain.
I always laugh at this perception.

Look up Hills results outdoors in 18 when he moved up to 450s after starting on the 250 (from High Point on I think?). He hovered in the 4-8 place range

Regardless, I think MCR is his best (and only) option moving forward. Unless he does the Deano route, goes privateer and hopes for a fill-in.
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Ray_MXS wrote:
I don´t know why you guys are comparing Deano to Hill. Deano is a hard worker with lots of bad luck. He gets injured so much...
I don´t know why you guys are comparing Deano to Hill.

Deano is a hard worker with lots of bad luck. He gets injured so much but keeps working and claws his way back to the top time and time again. He has twice now, without blinking, decided to privateer it up at the start of a season to earn his way back to a factory ride, and he succeeded both times. He´s a working class hero if I ever saw one.

Justin Hill is a super talent with the natural ability to be a great champion, but is just so unfocused and blind to the effort that is needed of him to be a top guy. All i hear is just whining and this and that and the "I need to be better, I need to be stronger" type of statements over and over but he doesnt do jack shit about it. He´s still that guy who skips the night show because of injury but later goes to clubs in the evening, playing his music or whatever.

They are miles apart in my book and I´d hire a hard worker like Deano any day over a "slacker" like Justin.
Agree 100%. Go back and look at some of Deano's 250 races, like his Seattle battle with Tomac. The dude wanted it, and everyone could see it. I can't remember seeing Hill ride like that.
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9/13/2019 2:29pm Edited Date/Time 9/13/2019 2:33pm
MCR might be a good fit. Hill is not an outdoor guy. The JGR Suzuki was a ball and chain.
hamncheeze wrote:
It was a factory Suzuki. For all intents and purposes a bike that Roczen won 6 SX and 20 motos of outdoors on in 2016. Don't...
It was a factory Suzuki. For all intents and purposes a bike that Roczen won 6 SX and 20 motos of outdoors on in 2016. Don't try to give Hill some leeway on the bike. The bike was not the problem. JFC.

For everyone saying, oh man he should be able to have a life and be a pro racer. Well, it ain't the 90s anymore. The top guys take this sport 100% all the time. Hill was being paid like a top guy (to some degree) and giving it 75% effort. Either he sacks up and does the work, or he is out of a ride by 2021. Plenty of other guys willing to do the work, show up on race day ready to go, and represent the sponsor better than what Hill is giving them.
Barcia and Mookie both seemed to improved when they got off of the yellow pig. Woohoo
Last in every shootout, nah can't be anything to do with the bike.

It's also the same bike Dungey won on, and RC. And it hasn't changed a bit, and JGR has a bad rap for setup.
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hamncheeze wrote:
It was a factory Suzuki. For all intents and purposes a bike that Roczen won 6 SX and 20 motos of outdoors on in 2016. Don't...
It was a factory Suzuki. For all intents and purposes a bike that Roczen won 6 SX and 20 motos of outdoors on in 2016. Don't try to give Hill some leeway on the bike. The bike was not the problem. JFC.

For everyone saying, oh man he should be able to have a life and be a pro racer. Well, it ain't the 90s anymore. The top guys take this sport 100% all the time. Hill was being paid like a top guy (to some degree) and giving it 75% effort. Either he sacks up and does the work, or he is out of a ride by 2021. Plenty of other guys willing to do the work, show up on race day ready to go, and represent the sponsor better than what Hill is giving them.
You make a good point. I’m sure There are plenty of pro riders sacrificing everything to even have a chance to be where Hill is. I get it. He does need to act like he cares. That’s why I said knock him down for a little while and see if he will climb his way back up. Maybe he made his way into the limelight a little to quick and wasn’t ready for it. But, I don’t understand what this has to do with the 90’s? You’ll have to elaborate on that a little bit.
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hamncheeze wrote:
It was a factory Suzuki. For all intents and purposes a bike that Roczen won 6 SX and 20 motos of outdoors on in 2016. Don't...
It was a factory Suzuki. For all intents and purposes a bike that Roczen won 6 SX and 20 motos of outdoors on in 2016. Don't try to give Hill some leeway on the bike. The bike was not the problem. JFC.

For everyone saying, oh man he should be able to have a life and be a pro racer. Well, it ain't the 90s anymore. The top guys take this sport 100% all the time. Hill was being paid like a top guy (to some degree) and giving it 75% effort. Either he sacks up and does the work, or he is out of a ride by 2021. Plenty of other guys willing to do the work, show up on race day ready to go, and represent the sponsor better than what Hill is giving them.
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You make a good point. I’m sure There are plenty of pro riders sacrificing everything to even have a chance to be where Hill is. I...
You make a good point. I’m sure There are plenty of pro riders sacrificing everything to even have a chance to be where Hill is. I get it. He does need to act like he cares. That’s why I said knock him down for a little while and see if he will climb his way back up. Maybe he made his way into the limelight a little to quick and wasn’t ready for it. But, I don’t understand what this has to do with the 90’s? You’ll have to elaborate on that a little bit.
I think I was reacting to the post by deadlo that reads:

"Why are you guys harshing so bad on a young guy who has a life outside of Moto.... this is what is so wrong with the sport. The Ricky’s, Eli’s, etc ruined it. These young dudes literally have to be on the job 24/7 and god forbid they go to a bar and it gets posted.

People like hill, hansen, jlaw, bogle, are what I want to see more of. It’s a job dude. 5 days work, clock out and enjoy 2 off. Hit a bar after mid week practice, play guitar, whatever. I can’t believe he gets so much crap for having a separate hobby. He still puts up good results. I don’t think any sport is as demanding as Moto. It’s sad."

My point is the level of dedication has moved the sport beyond this. If a rider wants to enjoy life outside of moto then probably he should not be expecting to be paid like a top guy, or expect the same results as a top guy. Aldon's guys, Tomac, the Reynard crew, the Goat farm....it's not really about fun. It's about maximizing your earnings during a very short career.

As for why Deano got pulled into this, someone commented about "we can work with speed". This was always the tagline with Deano, and while he and Hill are in no way similar I am only pointing out that "we can work with speed" only gets you so far, and gets you so many chances in this sport. Hill's qualifying laps and brief romance at Tampa 2018 don't offer much on the market. I mean he and Savatgy are both going for the same rides and I think any manager would be 100% taking Joey.
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hamncheeze wrote:
I think I was reacting to the post by deadlo that reads: "Why are you guys harshing so bad on a young guy who has a...
I think I was reacting to the post by deadlo that reads:

"Why are you guys harshing so bad on a young guy who has a life outside of Moto.... this is what is so wrong with the sport. The Ricky’s, Eli’s, etc ruined it. These young dudes literally have to be on the job 24/7 and god forbid they go to a bar and it gets posted.

People like hill, hansen, jlaw, bogle, are what I want to see more of. It’s a job dude. 5 days work, clock out and enjoy 2 off. Hit a bar after mid week practice, play guitar, whatever. I can’t believe he gets so much crap for having a separate hobby. He still puts up good results. I don’t think any sport is as demanding as Moto. It’s sad."

My point is the level of dedication has moved the sport beyond this. If a rider wants to enjoy life outside of moto then probably he should not be expecting to be paid like a top guy, or expect the same results as a top guy. Aldon's guys, Tomac, the Reynard crew, the Goat farm....it's not really about fun. It's about maximizing your earnings during a very short career.

As for why Deano got pulled into this, someone commented about "we can work with speed". This was always the tagline with Deano, and while he and Hill are in no way similar I am only pointing out that "we can work with speed" only gets you so far, and gets you so many chances in this sport. Hill's qualifying laps and brief romance at Tampa 2018 don't offer much on the market. I mean he and Savatgy are both going for the same rides and I think any manager would be 100% taking Joey.
Well put. 100% agree
9/13/2019 9:17pm
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I can't believe MCR would sign him. There are so many other guys out there who have proven their worth on the daily. And he is...
I can't believe MCR would sign him. There are so many other guys out there who have proven their worth on the daily. And he is so far from "being the man" it isn't even funny. I mean, come on. If MCR drinks this koolaid colour me disappointed.
Bidirella wrote:
Wich guys? Only guy who could do better is Savatgy and who is most likely looking for a sx/mx ride. The reason why teams are looking...
Wich guys? Only guy who could do better is Savatgy and who is most likely looking for a sx/mx ride.

The reason why teams are looking after Hill because he is a past champion with allot of raw speed. They hope to get that speed back on track and when it does, you have a race like Tampa 450. Thats where there shopping/hoping for. And some Top10/15 results are not that bad for a team like MCR.

Let him do his West Coast thing and he will be more then allright
Bogle, Davalos as Maverick has already mentioned, Savatgy if nothing else comes his way, Bowers, or give a privateer on the cusp of cracking into the top 15 the ride. Plenty of guys that would kill for that opportunity, and they would put their head down and do anything within their powers to work hard and get better.
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9/14/2019 8:15am Edited Date/Time 9/14/2019 8:17am
I hope hill isn't too down on himself right now... Each and every 20 something yr old male on this planet has done some seriously dumb things... The smart ones learn and move on.... For others, it's the start of a long, downhill slide.... I hope for Justin it is just the wake up call that he needed....
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9/14/2019 8:26am Edited Date/Time 9/14/2019 8:47am
hamncheeze wrote:
It was a factory Suzuki. For all intents and purposes a bike that Roczen won 6 SX and 20 motos of outdoors on in 2016. Don't...
It was a factory Suzuki. For all intents and purposes a bike that Roczen won 6 SX and 20 motos of outdoors on in 2016. Don't try to give Hill some leeway on the bike. The bike was not the problem. JFC.

For everyone saying, oh man he should be able to have a life and be a pro racer. Well, it ain't the 90s anymore. The top guys take this sport 100% all the time. Hill was being paid like a top guy (to some degree) and giving it 75% effort. Either he sacks up and does the work, or he is out of a ride by 2021. Plenty of other guys willing to do the work, show up on race day ready to go, and represent the sponsor better than what Hill is giving them.
Max D wrote:
You make a good point. I’m sure There are plenty of pro riders sacrificing everything to even have a chance to be where Hill is. I...
You make a good point. I’m sure There are plenty of pro riders sacrificing everything to even have a chance to be where Hill is. I get it. He does need to act like he cares. That’s why I said knock him down for a little while and see if he will climb his way back up. Maybe he made his way into the limelight a little to quick and wasn’t ready for it. But, I don’t understand what this has to do with the 90’s? You’ll have to elaborate on that a little bit.
hamncheeze wrote:
I think I was reacting to the post by deadlo that reads: "Why are you guys harshing so bad on a young guy who has a...
I think I was reacting to the post by deadlo that reads:

"Why are you guys harshing so bad on a young guy who has a life outside of Moto.... this is what is so wrong with the sport. The Ricky’s, Eli’s, etc ruined it. These young dudes literally have to be on the job 24/7 and god forbid they go to a bar and it gets posted.

People like hill, hansen, jlaw, bogle, are what I want to see more of. It’s a job dude. 5 days work, clock out and enjoy 2 off. Hit a bar after mid week practice, play guitar, whatever. I can’t believe he gets so much crap for having a separate hobby. He still puts up good results. I don’t think any sport is as demanding as Moto. It’s sad."

My point is the level of dedication has moved the sport beyond this. If a rider wants to enjoy life outside of moto then probably he should not be expecting to be paid like a top guy, or expect the same results as a top guy. Aldon's guys, Tomac, the Reynard crew, the Goat farm....it's not really about fun. It's about maximizing your earnings during a very short career.

As for why Deano got pulled into this, someone commented about "we can work with speed". This was always the tagline with Deano, and while he and Hill are in no way similar I am only pointing out that "we can work with speed" only gets you so far, and gets you so many chances in this sport. Hill's qualifying laps and brief romance at Tampa 2018 don't offer much on the market. I mean he and Savatgy are both going for the same rides and I think any manager would be 100% taking Joey.
I'd also argue that none of the top 10-15 people in most any profession are simply punch-the-clock, then enjoy their downtime types. And a factory 450 ride puts you in position as top 10-15 for this profession.
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9/14/2019 9:28am
He deserves nothing! He's got no grit.
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9/14/2019 11:15am Edited Date/Time 9/14/2019 11:16am
Another thing I notice in his post is “I want to prove I can be the man but only if someone gives me a ride.”

When other riders have found themselves in a situation where they didn’t have a ride, what have the riders that went on to find success and land on a team again do? They got a bike and raced to prove that they have that drive and desire to race. If he isn’t willing to go race on his own and prove his worth, I think that goes to show where his effort and desire level really is. If you want to prove yourself, go do it!

What you’ve done so far in your career has landed you where you at, it’s not by coincidence. If you aren’t willing to prove yourself by racing, then that says a lot about your confidence.
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9/14/2019 2:32pm
gnarwhip wrote:
Seems like taking west coast guys who have done well, and making them leave everything they know, move to the east coast and practice in rainy/muddy...
Seems like taking west coast guys who have done well, and making them leave everything they know, move to the east coast and practice in rainy/muddy conditions in the middle of the woods, away from everything that made them successful isn’t the best system. Watch the Hanny Whiskey Throttle episode.
You aren’t wrong
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gnarwhip wrote:
Seems like taking west coast guys who have done well, and making them leave everything they know, move to the east coast and practice in rainy/muddy...
Seems like taking west coast guys who have done well, and making them leave everything they know, move to the east coast and practice in rainy/muddy conditions in the middle of the woods, away from everything that made them successful isn’t the best system. Watch the Hanny Whiskey Throttle episode.
You aren’t wrong
Here is the thing-in other pro sports, guys get traded all the time and they have to deal with it. They have to move their families, their kids change schools, life of a pro athlete. So if Hill signs a contract requiring him to be in a certain part of the country following the employer's rules as per the contract, then that is what you do. if you don't find those terms agreeable, don't sign the contract. I call bullshit on this-yet another excuse for Hill, sorry, not sorry.
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9/14/2019 6:24pm Edited Date/Time 9/14/2019 6:24pm
gnarwhip wrote:
Seems like taking west coast guys who have done well, and making them leave everything they know, move to the east coast and practice in rainy/muddy...
Seems like taking west coast guys who have done well, and making them leave everything they know, move to the east coast and practice in rainy/muddy conditions in the middle of the woods, away from everything that made them successful isn’t the best system. Watch the Hanny Whiskey Throttle episode.
You aren’t wrong
I could buy into this theory but it's difficult when Hill has been on DMXS professing how he disliked California and that moving to NC was a breath of fresh air. Maybe some of that is him trying to convince himself that NC is better for him, maybe not.
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9/14/2019 6:56pm
My view is that he is just another JH100 and should stop wasting our time and taking the rides of riders that will perform better over the whole season.
He has had his fair share of chances.
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